Talk:Artificial respiration

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[edit] Different methods

It would be nice if this page could discuss not only modern mouth-to-mouth but also some of the obsolete forms of artificial respiration. I don't recall their names at the moment, but one often sees them practiced in old films and cartoons: the rescuer lays the victim on his back and then repeatedly lifts the victim's arms up and pumps them down on the victim's chest. Psychonaut 17:47, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

While the original commenter is unlikely to be checking for a response two years on, in case others wonder...
The resuscitation method described by Psychonaut is the Holger Nielsen method of artificial respiration. It pre-dates CPR (stemming from around 1930s-ish [a source]), which arrived in its present general form some decades later. It is and should still be used in specific circumstances - inhalation of toxic fumes / acid ingestion etc., by the weakly breathing person, for example.
During the Second World War, UK military personnel were taught it alongside methods, such as breathing bag apparatus usage for mustard gas incidents and such (something I realise was more common to the First World War!). An example - contemporary - link recommending use of the Holger Nielsen method is this PDF: Cyanide Management for Gold Mining.
A web search including the search terms 'Holger Nielsen' will turn up information on this method and other 'obsolete' forms of artificial respiration.
This (PDF) article includes a pretty diagram mentioning some: Mouth-to-Mouth Ventilation*
(* A Reappraisal of Mouth-to-Mouth Ventilation During Bystander-Initiated Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation : A Statement for Healthcare Professionals From the Ventilation Working Group of the Basic Life Support and Pediatric Life Support Subcommittees, American Heart Association, Circulation, Sep 1997; 96: 2102 - 2112).
Whitehorse1 09:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Close, but not quite right - the method he described with the Silvester method, used on a supine casualty (on their back) - Holger Neilson was used on prone casualties (on their front). There's a nice picture of sign giving both methods on the Cardiopulmonary resuscitation page. Owain.davies 10:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artificial Respiration.

[edit] AR

E.M.T. Paul Cahill Ireland on my first venture in to Wikipedia land here. The reference to not giving breaths to a weakly breathing person needs to be corrected or at least expanded.In most ems systems people give rescue breaths when people are not breathing effectively, for an example in Ireland an E.M.T. would support an adults breathing if it feel below 10 breaths per minute and one of two other factors applied spo2 below,90% on 100% o2 or insufficient chest rise. ref www.phecc.ie .

I went on a St John's Ambulance Course, and what they said seems to back up the above. They said that AR should be performed either if the patient wasn't breathing, or if breathing was irregular (there was a technical term for it that began with "a", but I can't for the life of me remember it...)Paul-b4 14:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Very poor pages

Even from my basic background, i believe the section on resuscitation to be very poor and should be treated with some caution. It needs a complete revision. When i have a little more time i will come back and add some in fo etc. Beware, it seems like the author has never performed A.R. or C.P.R., Paul Cahill

I agree with your concerns, and even if the section was written by a professor in resuscitation we should have a disclaimer, since this could in the worst case scenario be a matter of life or death. I have added such a disclaimer to the start of the page. TH 04:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
I also agree. I have two main concerns - 1) There is alot of how to, and 2) There is a lot of factual misinformation, which starts with the title - it's artificial ventilation, not respiration. *sigh*--John24601 19:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed some of the how-to wording, but left the information itself largely intact. I don't know if we should take out some of the specifics to avoid making it look like instructions. Any ideas? Michaelp7 23 April 2007
The bit about checking for a pulse - I think this has been dropped from first aid guidelines, as most people (especially plebs like me and even healthcare professionals) are not actually that good at finding pulses, especially in stressful situations (e.g. love one collapses, etc..) See the entry for CPR. Paul-b4 14:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rescue Breathing

I believe rescue breathing should be seperate from artifical respiration.--ItsJodo (talk) 05:54, 18 March 2008 (UTC)