Talk:Arthur Krigsman

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[edit] neutrality

This article really ought to be rewritten to include critisisms of the subject's work and his links to Andrew Wakefield. I actually came here from a The Guardian article on badscience.net. aLii 12:28, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deer pov

Brian Deer is not a reliable source for medical articles, as he readily admits his dismal lack of any understanding of vaccine research (his degree is in philosophy), much less the medical research processes over at the Royal Free Hospital. The Andrew Wakefield article still looks like a Smear campaign hit piece, largely because of material sourced to Deer, a grave problem that shouldn't be allowed to spill over here. The whole issue of Deer pov should probably be referred over to the WikiScanner folks for investigation. The General Medical Council has disgraced itself and the UK medical community by taking Deer seriously, and it is about time for the Wiki to begin recognizing the folly of following Deer down the rabbit hole. Ombudsman 05:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand your POV, but the very fact that the General Medical Council takes Brian Deer seriously supports the fact that he is a reliable source for Wikipedia purposes on these topics. Deer is a journalist whose work has been published by major media outlets; that material is therefore usable as a reliable source. Of course, his work should not be presented in isolation (and it is not), but striking it from Wikipedia on the basis of your contentions would be inappropriate. MastCell Talk 17:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
It appears that the Brian-Deer-related content being discussed includes
  1. A link to a transcript of a portion of a United States Court of Federal Claims hearing [1]; and
  2. A link to a portion of the minutes of the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners Licensure Committee Meeting [2].
Link #1 is being used to substantiate claims that Krigsman made particular statements in open court. That the transcript is hosted on Brian Deer's blog does not impugn its value, unless someone here suggesting that Deer has not faithfully reproduced the transcript. If someone can find a copy of the transcript hosted on an 'official' web site of some sort, substituting such a link would be appropriate—but not necessary for the present.
Link #2 is again an extract from an official document; that it is hosted on Deer's web site does not automatically render it less valid. In that case, however, I'm not sure I can see how it is directly linked to the article—it would help if someone could describe any licensing disputes in the article body. Such disputes are certainly relevant in discussing a medical doctor's biography. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)