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Contents 1 Needs expansion 2 Anti-semitism 3 Grave 4 First Leader? 5 Sources

[edit] Needs expansion

Not bad, but it needs more data about the foundation of Sinn Fein; Griffith was the main but not the only founder. This article needs to at least allude to the presence of others written out of the history books. Fergananim 15:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-semitism

Needs more on the Limerick pogrom because of its significant as the last anti-Jewish pogrom in the British Isles. Also it highlights a strain of ultra nationalism/fascism that you could argue is still present in modern Sinn Fein. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.130.12.157 (talk • contribs) (16:14, 28 November 2005)

The entire anti-semitism section is problematic. One of the references leads to a page that no longer exists. Another leads to a Project MUSE page that requires registration, which means the majority of readers will not be able to access it. The other references all lead to articles that repeat the same assertions and accusations (Griffith's involvement in the Limerick Pogrom, for example) without any one of them offering any citation or evidence for said accusations. I would argue that this does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines and the entire section should be deleted until such time that adequate citations can be found. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 19:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Also needs clarification of what "involved" in the pogrom means. He was certainly involved as an influential propagandist (the chauvinistic 'Citizen' in Joyce's Ulysses is based on Griffith) who supported the boycott of Jewish businesses and printed all sorts of nastiness in his newspaper the United Irishman. He didn't go to Limerick and get personally involved. It would be interesting to mention Oliver St John Gogarty and William Bulfin, both close friends of Griffith's, who published anti-semitic material in 2 of his papers.stunion 24 April 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stunion (talk • contribs) 15:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grave

Anyone know who is buried in the plot beside Griffith's grave in Glasnevin? Dail Eireann debates in 1937 refer to the State paying #90 for the purchase and perpetual upkeep of a plot contiguous to the grave of the late President Griffith for a former member of his Ministry. The grave is unmarked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.74.57 (talk • contribs) (21:48, 30 November 2005)

[edit] First Leader?

This article claims he "was the founder and first leader of Sinn Féin". I always thought he was the third leader as stated in the article on Sinn Féin ("Founder (1905) and Third leader (1908 - 17)")

Can somebody make a confirmation and correction of this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevioli (talk • contribs) (23:13, 16 February 2006)

The Sinn Féin movement developed around the propaganda of Griffith and he was as a result its leading light. The formal Sinn Féin party was a part of the greater movement (the Sinn Féin Printing & Publishing Company run by Griffith was another part, the Sinn Féin People's Bank another) and was strictly democratic. Griffith didn't want to be the leader but reluctantly took up the position of president of the party after Edward Martyn and John Sweetman. --Stunion (talk) 08:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Before sticking a template in an article, I think it would be useful to state your specific concerns on the talk page, and give editors or would-be editors a chance to address them. Scolaire 20:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)