Talk:Arthur Dake

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[edit] Jewish?

What's the source for him being listed under Category:Jewish chess players? I've seen anecdotal evidence that he was Christian in religious practice, although that doesn't rule out the possibility of Jewish ethnicity. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Good question. I'll ask the editor who added that cat if he can add a source. Some of his work is based on a Polish chess encyclopedia, a valuable source that contains some information hard to find in English. I wouldn't think that would be the case with Dake, however, since he was born and died in the U.S. Quale (talk) 01:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The Winter reference (here) in Talk:Carl Schlechter, where a similar question arose, quoted a journal that said he was Jewish -- but the same reference (some obscure chess magazine cited by Winter without comment) also said that Schlechter was Jewish, which is fairly definitely incorrect, witness the other stuff in the Winter article. Dake was close enough to contemporary that it should be possible to answer this one definitively, unlike Schlechter. -- Bill-on-the-Hill (talk) 05:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
    • An Edward G. Winter reference for Dake being Jewish is http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html. Winter quotes the Australasian Chess Review (30 March 1938). It is certainly possible that the magazine was mistaken, although if Winter had any evidence that it was he would have pointed it out (as he does with Schlechter). Quale (talk) 18:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)]
      • That's at best inconclusive, then; but in any case, the categories shouldn't be there if it isn't part of the article (with appropriate references) and shouldn't be there unless it forms part of his identity. Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
        • Larry Parr, in his December 1984 article on Dake in Chess Life (p. 28), relates that as soon as Parr met Dake (in 1984, evidently) Dake handed him "a piece of devotional literature ('One Day at a Time')." Not a lot to go on, but sounds like some sort of evangelical Christian to me (which would be consistent with the anecdotal evidence Bill-on-the-Hill saw); Jews aren't known for proselytizing. But in any event as Gene Nygaard said, the burden is on the person claiming Dake was Jewish to substantiate that. btw, I looked up "devotional" on dictionary.com and in addition to the definitions, was amused to be deluged by a bunch of evangelical Christian ads ("prepare for the end of the world" and such). See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/devotional Krakatoa (talk) 21:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)