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[edit] Tcherep-Spiridovitch

Re-affirmed today:--Ludvikus 18:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of name variation: Tcherep-Spiridovitch.

Yours truly, --151.202.104.190 21:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A re-direct needs to be made for the name-spelling variation. --151.202.104.190 21:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Will also check the name above soon. --Ludvikus 11:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Name: Cherep-Spiridovich, Arthur, Count, 1858-1926.

LC Control No.: 26020907
Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)
Personal Name: Cherep-Spiridovich, Arthur, Count, 1858-1926.
Main Title: The secret world government : or, "The hidden hand" : the unrevealed in history : 100 historical "mysteries" explained / Cherep-Spiridovich.
Portion of Title: Hidden hand
Published/Created: New York City : The Anti-Bolshevist Publishing Association, 1926.
Description: 195 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
Notes: At head of title: Maj.-Gen., Count Cherep-Spiridovich.
Includes bibliographical references.
Subjects: Jewish question.
LC Classification: DS141 .C45
Other System No.: (OCoLC)538569

The Library of Congress gives us in the above record our protagonist's name. Need I say more? --Ludvikus 10:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander Spiridovich

Google gives only six hits under the above name [1].

I do not yet know if that's the same person as the subject of our article. It calls for some research. --Ludvikus 10:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

For "Arthur Cherep-Spiridovitch" google gives only 8 hits. And if you make search in russian "Alexander Spiridovich" gives 400 hits, and "Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich" 1 hit.DonaldDuck 12:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theorist

An editor left the following anotation/commentary which has been deleted for Style impropriety:

    * The Secret World Government or The Hidden Hand: The Unrevealed in History
    — disinformation conspiracy theory book, of the secret "world government".
    As in many other conspiracy theory books authors biography and even name are dis[t]rorted
    as "count Arthur Cherep-Spiridovitch".
    It is not clear, whether book was written by Alexander Spiridovitch, or his name was used.

The article needs heavy cleanup. --Ludvikus 11:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Two different persons?

  • Alexander Ivanovich Spiridovich (Александр Иванович Спиридович), 1873-1952 - russian police general, historian of revolutionary movement. biography
  • Count Arthur Cherep-Spiridovich (Артур (Артемий) Череп-Спиридович), 1868-1926, - much more obscure. Known only by conspiracy theory book and some book on balkans politics. "Cherep" is Skull in Russian and it is very strange surname for Russian. Moreover, there is no such name in the Russian counts list, probably his count title is fake.

Maybe I have mixed two different persons. Or there was only one person, and the second is pen name for first? It seems, second, conspiracy theorist hardly meets Notability criterium. DonaldDuck 12:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I concur they are two different people. Cherep-Spiridovich was a wealthy businessman [2], Army General. He was killed in 1926. Alexander Spiridovich [3] was a career police officer from a family of limited means. He lived until 1952. The first names are different Artemy vs Alexander, the birth dates are different. One is a prince and the other is not. I am reasonably confident they are two different people, although probably they were distant relatives Alex Bakharev 17:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Is the title of Cherep-Spiridovich real?[4] "According to the same New York Times article of October 23, 1926, "St. Petersburg said that while the Count was of a good family he had been made a noble by the Vatican, not by Russia" and that "his title of Count had never been recognized in Russia."DonaldDuck 03:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
      • He was not a Russian count. The title was conferred on him by the Vatican. So what? --Ludvikus 09:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)