Talk:Army of Islam (Gaza Strip)

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Does anyone know their web address? 86.144.148.142 19:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)Rash86.144.148.142 19:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 source 2 suggestion to move the article to a new name 3 Dugmush/Durmush 4 al-Qaeda 5 Army of "Termagant"? 6 Various groups in Dughmush's organization

[edit] source

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/01/wjohnston301.xml Zeq 09:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] suggestion to move the article to a new name

I suggest to move this article from 'Palestinian Army of Islam'to 'Army of Islam (Palestine)' because the word Palestinian doesn't exist in the official name of that group. --Wisamzaqoot 19:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I had the same thought earlier today. --Ian Pitchford 20:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dugmush/Durmush

There should be something about the Gaza Dugmush/Durmush clan, which has been mentioned as the real force behind the BBC reporter kidnapping... AnonMoos 14:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Are these the same? I am trying to work this out on the web, but it seems to me the Dugmush clan is behind Johnstons' kidnapping, Durmush behind Gilad Shalit's kidnapping and Jaime Razuri's. Are they the same clan? Dugmush seems to be aka Army of Islam, Durmush AKA Islamic Army (although those could obviously be the same in Arabic as far as I know). BobFromBrockley 13:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] al-Qaeda

I would like to read more about the suggested links to al-Qaeda, other sources I have read said they were inspired by that group, which is not quite the same. I'm not disputing it, it just seems like a facile statement if there is no evidence. 212.74.26.3 10:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

According to one of the guards, Atef al-Beheisi, the masked men told him: "We are the organization of Al Qaeda in Palestine, and our swords will be directed at the throats of the infidels." The second guard, who fearing for his safety asked not to be identified and who was at another entrance of the school, said the intruders identified themselves to him as being part of the "Army of Islam."[1]

Btw, it is indeed one group (as per al-Qaeda article), and the bombing should be noted in the article besides the kidnappings too. --HanzoHattori 12:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Army of "Termagant"?

A google search for the phrase "Army of Termagant" only returns links to this article (and mirrors of this article). Given the seeming unlikelihood of an Islamic group using the name of a deity invented by Medieval Europeans to defame Islam as a pagan religion, I'd like to see a source for this. Fumoses 15:24, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Various groups in Dughmush's organization

The organization of the Gaza City warlord Mumtaz Dughmush is affiliated with, but not the same thing as, Jaish al-Islam. The relatively powerful Dughmush clan also cooperates with various other groups including elements of the Popular Resistance Committees (kidnappers of G. Shalit) and PIJ. Jaish al-Islam is a franchise or imitation of al-Qaida, specifically Jordanian Qaida (Maqdisi/Zarqawi). I can tell you that al-Qaida was 100% on the side of JaI after the kidnapping of A. Johnston, and were furious at Hamas when he was released.

Trustworthy sources are almost nonexistent in Hamastan (meaning the Gaza Strip as it is today). The bit from WorldNetDaily about a $4 million ransom for Johnston is meaningless IMO.

Mumtaz Dughmush has written under his own name on the Ekhlaas web forum of al-Qaida and Ansar al-Sunna.

It would be nice to know who the "sheikhs" are in Jaish al-Islam, i.e. which terrorist cleric or clerics are giving them religious authorization. Presumably it's not Maqdisi, who is locked up at the moment, in Jordan.

Until some decent data comes out, it might be well to keep this article limited to the few reasonably reliable reports about JaI that came out in connection with the kidnapping of Johnston and other specific crimes.

LDH 02:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)