Talk:Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic

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[edit] translation

A translation is welcome, I cannot read it. If I cant read it it is useless as no translation exist.

[edit] POV in history section.

the history section makes it look like armenia was independent up until 1920. it spent 3 years as a weak and unrecognized state, and was previously part of the russian empire. however the history section here makes it seem like it was a well-established and fully soverign nation and the soviet union was a big mean aggresive empire that gobbled up weaker nations like the roman empire did. could someone fix this? Pure inuyasha 23:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC) Even if they were part of Russian Empire they were all recognized by the League of Nations-proto UN as independent states.Cheers! armenian-nj

Actually, Armenia (as well as its neighbors - Georgia and Azerbaijan) were all well-established, fully sovereign and recognized republics. Unfortunately, though their freedom did not last and they were invaded (without any major resistance) by the Bolsheviks who proclaimed them Soviet republics. The same story comes up in books such as The Complete Guide to the Soviet Union and Armenia: Past and Present (both cited), so it is true. -- Clevelander 00:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

What i mean is that there should be some mention of it being part of the russian empire. Pure inuyasha 14:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

oh, and i don't belive they were recognized, i have a 1920 atlas that still shows it as part of the russian empire. i don't see how it could be regocnized when the country it broke off of was still recognized! Pure inuyasha 14:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

How can an unrecognized state have ambassadors from US, France and GB? The Treaty of Sevres made all signatories recognise Armenia as a sovereign state! There was no such thing as Russia since 1917.--Eupator 18:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I know it was recognised! What I'm saying is that there should be some sign that it was part of the russian empire up to 1917. Pure inuyasha 21:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "Armenian Legion"

I believe it should be included in the section under "Great Patriotic War" that a number of Armenians served in German military units. This is a known fact which has been documented by serveral sources. Its really no different thatn the Russians, Ukrainians, Latvians or Central Asians who also served in similar unites (such as the so called Russian Liberation Army of Andrei Vlasov) Piercetp 00:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC) Can you prove anyhow that Armenians served in Nazi Army? I can prove the opposite-Misak Manushian -the leader of French resistance was Armenian.

I included this earlier (along with information on how some even helped save Jews from the Holocaust while part of it). I re-added my earlier paragraph for now, but I'm still not sure if we should include it on an article about the Armenian SSR specfically. Perhaps if there was an article called "Armenians in World War II" then we could do it. Again, I'm not sure. -- Clevelander 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Er, also, I'm willing to discuss topics such as these, but I prefer that you do not accuse me of "vandalism." Remember, I have worked long and hard on this article too. Cheers, Clevelander 02:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
OK that works. Thanks. About that "vandalism", I actually posted a second time because I believed that was too strong a word. I tried to delete it as soon as I posted it but there is no way to reedit comment summaries here. Sorry. Piercetp 04:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem! -- Clevelander 22:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

I think this article is close to being a Good Article, but a few things remain, so I am putting it on hold and if these issues are fixed within the next week then this article can be promoted.

  • Unfortunately the images are problematic and probably need to be removed:
    • Image:SchoolchildrenInArmenia.jpg does not qualify under fair use. It would be fair use if you were writing about that specific photo, not what is illustrating.
    • Image:May1paradeYerevan.jpg is from the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia which was published in the 70s/80s and hence is not Public Domain.
  • I have spotted a bunch of grammatical and spelling problems with the aritcle. I have fixed up a couple, but the article still needs a good copyedit to check the grammar. Also, there are two mixes of English here - most words are spelt using U.S. English, but some words are spelt in U.K. English, just a couple of instances "metres", "civilisation" (UK) "neighbors", "theaters" (US) (though this is a minor issue).--Konstable 08:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
One thing which is still a bit confusing: "Under the Soviet system, the economy of the country was highly centralized with little to no private ownership of income producing property." I would fix this myself but I really don't understand what it's saying in the first place.--Konstable 02:24, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Alright I changed it, basically, what it's saying is that communism took over and capitalism was out of the window. The economy was centralized, controlled by the government so they banned all privately runned businesses. - Fedayee 02:42, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I think there is still a lot to be done here. It is not just a problem of grammar (still some oversized sentences that are hard to read here and there). A lot of the time one sentence does not logically follow another, and some key dates are left out. I will see if I can help fix some of these myself, though not sure if I will have the time.--Konstable 13:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the current version is good enough to be promoted to GA status. I would do this myself right now, but I think I might have worked too much on this article to qualify as a reviewer for it. I will leave a note on WP:GAC for someone else to confirm that it should be promoted.--Konstable 04:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Date: 1936?

Any reason why Armenian SSR's existence dates in the box is written as 1936-1991? Officially, the Republic was established in December of 1920, right? Why do you refer to the disintegration of Union of Soviet Transcaucasian Republics as the establishment of Armenian SSR? Thanks for the explanation in advance. --Aynabend (talk) 14:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move to Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic

It seems that given that the formal name for this nation was "Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic", the soviet prefix abbreviation (-"SSR") shouldn't be in the full article name. Therefore, I propose to move the article to its full form, Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic. We wouldn't have an article about North Korea titled "DPRK", would we? --Micahbrwn (talk) 09:54, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Fine by me, but what about other 15 republics? They should all be named the same way. VartanM (talk) 18:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Please discuss this multimove here --Lox (t,c) 11:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] culture and life

is the flag anecdote really relevant here? it seems to be included more as a putdown towards turkey in the ongoing saga of turkish-armenian animosity, more than anything else. not to mention the only disputable source:...krutchev's memoires —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.210.205 (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2008 (UTC)