Talk:Arkon Daraul

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[edit] Does?

Does anyone else have a copy of this book? I have the 1989 edition. Do you think we should mention that no sources are mentioned for many parts of the book formally? What I mean is no formal work cited.

I own a copy (don't know the edition offhand) and you're correct, Daraul cites virtually nothing. Mention away freely, young Grasshopper; be bold.Vafthrudnir 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I also own a copy. I found it very intriguing, and I have seen some of the things written about in other sources. From a linguistic perspective, the writer definitely seems to have a background in the Persian languages, since his translation and spelling of those words indicate as such (i.e. Nev Roz = Now Roz, or "new day", the traditional Persian new year). I also found it interesting that the author didn't do more than make mention of societies such as the Freemasons.

I've also come across a copy and have the same question. At least in the edition I have (1989, Hardcover), there are huge chunks often whole paragraphs or more placed within quotation marks. Often, he says things like "as one medieval researcher said" but he never gives any actual cite-able source. [Fun note: spellcheck gives "Fraulein" as option number one for the misspelled word "Daraul".]

Sufis do not give formal citings in their work except for when they are quoting from one another. This is the tradition in all the Sufi classics.--Wool Bridge (talk) 22:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] James Moore

James Moore does not know anything and should not be quoted. Anyone who takes Seyyed Hussein Nasr as the real Sufi teacher is obviously completely upside down in relation to reality. You can make a scientific comparison in literary style to Idries Shah's writing and see if there are any similarities.

Dr. Daraul is mentioned in New Research on Current Philosophical Sytems,1968 --Wool Bridge (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)--Wool Bridge (talk) 13:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)--[[Special:Contributions/90.211.0.14|

If you have a better source we can cite rather than James Moore, then by all means, add it to the article. I'm happy for the James Moore reference to be replaced with something better; after all, we're trying to establish something Shah said, not something Moore said. If Shah makes this claim in one of his books, then we can replace the Moore reference.

You mention the book New Research on Current Philosophical Sytems but there's little I can find out about it without ordering the book. If there's anything valuable in there, please add it to the article, with references (including page numbers). Don't worry about the formatting too much, since I or someone else can easily correct this. Just put it in brackets () or similar. Thanks for your help! Fuzzypeg★ 04:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The only thing I can say is that on Page 32 of New Research on Current Philosophical Systems, Daraul and Shah are both included in the 'Selected Readings' as separate entities, along with Dr Merdad Boss, Sir Ahmed Hussein, Peter KIng, and Dr. John Mann. These are all real people!

It says: 'Dr. Daraul traces many little known relationships between Sufi and other mystical systems and European secret groupings.' It looks to me that when this was published by Designist Communications in 1968 whoever wrote it knew that Daraul had a doctorate and was someone other than Shah. When Idries Shah was accused of writing 'The Teachers of Gurdjieff' under the name of Rafael Lefort in the Alternative London Guide, he wrote to the author of the guide saying that this was not the case, The same accusation was made regarding Raoul Simac, and OM Burke. These people have since turned out to be real and not Shah's elusive pseudonym, which is yet to be revealed. If you want to put this in the article it is OK by me--Wool Bridge (talk) 22:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

The surname Daraul is common in Ontario, Quebec and South Carolina while Arkon appears as a first name and a surname in West Virginia and Kansas. In the book The Sufis (London 1964) Idries Shah quotes from Arkon Daraul and I feel he would not have done that if it was his own pseudonym.--Wool Bridge (talk) 21:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)