Talk:Arkleston Junction
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[edit] Locomotive Siding
The locomotive siding referred to was adjacent to the overbridge at the east end of the current loops. There was a departmental siding at the west end which was relocated when the six formation was reduced to the current four track formation in the mid-1980's. It will have been this second siding which will have been on the site of the Greenlaw Good depot. --Stewart (talk) 09:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Yes I remember that siding, at one time it was full of ballast wagons (probably back at the time of the Ayrshire Coast line electrification); it also would have been the un-made junction to Paisley East railway station; and was behind Greenlaw Drive on the south of the G&P Joint Line. You are correct, the departmental siding, was on the north of the G&P Joint Line.Pyrotec 09:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Not quite as I remember it from the early 1980's. Yes there were two ballast sidings on the south side of the line between the Junction Overbridge and the footbridge half way to Wallneuk Junction which would have been in the area of the uncompleted link to Paisley East.
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- The siding I was refering probably appeared at the time on the Inverclyde Line electrification and is on the north side of the line at the overbridge and I estimate was only long enough to hold one or two locomotives. The usual procedure was for a car train from Eldersile to enter the loop on [the north side (which included the link to the Paisley and Renfrew Railway). The electric locomotive (usually a Class 81 and 85, but I did see the occaisional Class 84) had previously arrived from Shields Road, going onto the Slow Lines prior to reversing into the loco siding. The diesel locomotive would then detach from the train and proceed either to Eastfield, Motherwell or Ayr (dependent on next duty), whilst the electric would couple up to the train and head to the WCML. --Stewart (talk) 11:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Junction Layouts
A Plea - does anyone have definitive (referencable) track plans for this junction. From the mid 20th Century I know of at least two major changes (mid 1960s and mid 1980s).
- I have no knowledge of the layout prior to electrification.
- During electrification of the Inverclyde Line, when the centre two tracks to the east of the junction were removed. Below is what I remember from the early 1980's
Paisley and Renfrew --\
Wallneuk Junction \ Arkleston Junction
Gilmour Street Departmental Siding \
Platform 4 |-------/---Up Goods Loop--\-----\
Up Gourock--------\-------------/----/----Up Slow---------------\ Loco Siding
Down Gourock----\--\-----------/--/-------Down Slow--------------\---\----|
Platform 3 \ \ / / \
Platform 2 \ \ / / \
Up Ayr-------------\--\--/--/--/----------Up Fast-----------------------\--\-------
Down Ayr------------\---/-----/------\----Down Fast-------------------/-----\------
Platform 1 \---Down Goods Loop-\----------/
\--------|Ballast
\-------|Sidings
- During the Ayrline Electrification project, the slow lines between Arkleston and Wallneuk junctions were removed. I am not sure about the status of the Ballast Sidings.
Gilmour Street
Platform 4 Wallneuk Junction Arkleston Junction
Up Gourock--------\ Departmental Siding
Down Gourock----\ \ |-------/----------Up Goods Loop--------------\
Platform 3 \ \ / \
Platform 2 \ \ / \
Up Ayr-------------\--\--/--/-------------Up----------------------------\--\-------
Down Ayr------------\---/------------\----Down------------------------/-----\------
Platform 1 \---Down Goods Loop-\----------/
\--------|Ballast(???)
\-------|Sidings(???)
- As part of the Glasgow Airport Rail link, this layout will change again.
--Stewart (talk) 12:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Stewart, You've raised the question that I was going to ask you. Pre-1888 (John Thomas, page 53), the G&P JR was two-track and the Ayrshire & Wemyss Bay/Gourock lines diverged to the west of Gilmour Street station. The joint line was quadrupled in the 1880s (Casserley, 1968) and the lines then diverged east of Gilmour Street station. The Alan Godfrey edition of the Paisley 1896 1:2500 OS map shows 4 main running tracks east of the stations, but it barely goes further east than Greenlaw Avenue. The equivalent Paisley east map has not been published. There are crossovers shown on the 1896 map just outside Gilmour Street station and opposite Greenlaw Goods station. The 1914 pre-grouping diagrams show Arkleston juction, Gallowhill sidings and the P&R railway; Greenlaw Goods and Wallneuk junction. Possibly, Akleston junction is only the junction between the joint line, the connection (in the Glasgow direction) with the P&R railway and Gallowhill sidings. But I don't have any confirmation. The 1960s electrification project changed this layout; and, as you know, there are track diagrams in the 1979 accident report. The ballast sidings appear to be officially known as Gallowhill sidings.Pyrotec 13:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
