Talk:Arjen Robben

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Reina's tackle on Ediur (Can't spell his last name) was not violent. He in-fact made contact with the ball. It may have warranted for a yellow at the most but no a red card. Number 8 00:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

That's debatable. It was a tackle from behind, which have been outlawed, and he took Eidur's legs in a scissors action. Reina was in trouble for that regardless. SteveO 01:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] This article referenced by The Guardian

Well, sort of:

According to Wikipedia, Arjen Robben is an accomplished scuba diver, a model-submarine enthusiast and the owner of a pet parrot named Greg Louganis - diving-related trivia that would be much more amusing if we hadn't just added them to his profile ourselves in a bid to pad out this paragraph. [1] And while this information will probably have been edited out by some anti-Fiver Chelsea-supporting conspiracy theorist by the time you get around to checking it and adding more of your own, one thing that isn't going to disappear as quickly is the stench of hypocrisy currently emanating from Stamford Bridge. [2]

(Disclaimer: I do not, nor have I ever, supported Chelsea, except when they play Man United. — sjorford++ 14:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

do you watch football mate reinas tackle coulda been a red on its own from behind reckless and a lundge he hit robben in the face it was a red card offence if it wasnt the fa would have ricinded the card and he didnt get it ricinded so there you go!

I suppose The Guardian were unlucky to get information from this page when it was vandalised. Though it's hard to understand how the heck this article got such heavy vandalism on 6 July last year (what the hell?), fortunately an admin decided on semiprotection at the end of that day. Anyway,I'm active now and I'm taking care of this article, whoever wants to harm the page, I'LL MAKE THEM PAY. (DAMN YOU, VANDALS) S. Miyano 16:04, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

(Only my second GAReview, so please be kind if I screw up something major.)

This article is very well written, with some sourcing flaws that I think can be easily corrected (which means I'm putting it on GA Hold for now). First, some of the links in the references seem broken - specifically, refs 4 and 5 take me to the wrong places on Chelsea FC's site, apparently. Ref 9 needs a visible name of the source. Second, there are many paragraphs that have no citations. In an article of this size, one should cite at least each paragraph with the sources used for that paragraph.

Aside from that, I have some suggestions for improvement not necessary for GA but perhaps helpful to take the article to the next level:

  • Some possible Wikilinks (jargon and otherwise): "Netherlands", "Holland", "Dutch Talent of the Year", "English Premier League", "front three", "withdrawn forward", "target man", "cross", "equaliser", "chess", "challenge".
I've further wikilinked some of the phrases, not all of them so as not to overlink the article.Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • "FC Groningen" seems to be punctuated differently in a couple of places.
I think it's fixed now .Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • 'out and out', 'violent behaviour', 'deserved an Oscar' - use double quotes.
Done. Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • "Dutch winger has had limited chances to shine in a new look Chelsea squad", "This has often seen Robben on the bench and given little time to make an impression." - seems non-NPOV, reword or attribute as opinion?
Reworded. Please tell me if you still think it's POV though Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
  • First mention of "Man of the match" - capitalize "match".
Done. Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

- Merzbow 06:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

refs #4,5,9 and the broken links to chelsea website are fixed. I've also added a few more sources for some paragraphs. Arfan 18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Getting close. However, still some issues:
  • I noticed you added a "Quotes" section, which is now deprecated here: WP:LAYOUT#Quotations. Could you remove it per the guideline? (Sorry).
  • "After the absence of Joe Cole due to knee injury,[1] Robben was then recognised as an important player for Chelsea in the injury-enforced with his ability to bring the ball down the flanks at speed essential in a team not especially endowed with great dribblers." - Do you have a source for the opinions expressed in this sentence? Also, I don't understand what "in the injury-enforced means", can you clarify the sentence?
  • "Robben's skill in ball control and technical footwork made him a valuable player, and he was quickly signed by local club F.C. Groningen." - could use source
  • "The rest of his season with PSV was disappointing. He injured his hamstring twice and missed several games. At the end of the 2003-04 season, Robben tallied 23 appearances and 6 goals." - also needs source
  • All ref tags should start directly after punctuation per MoS, and there shouldn't be any spaces between the punctuation and the tag. There are a few refs that violate this.
  • "In addition to being a talented football player, Robben is quite adept at chess." - source?
- Merzbow 03:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
"Quotes" section and the sentence "In addition to being a talented football player, Robben is quite adept at chess." removed (I couldn't find RS). Sources added for the others. As for the "injury-enforced" phrase, it's my mistake when I edited this sentence at some point earlier. It is now fixed, so are the <ref> tags. Arfan 04:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: might it be useful to provide references for the part which says he was shortlisted for so and so award and given so and so award (in the 2004-05 section)? Chensiyuan 05:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I've added sources for the "player of the month" award and the short list for "PFA Young player of the year". Thank you for your advice and your kind help with the article, Chen Siyuan! Arfan 06:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the changes (I made a couple of very minor improvements myself). There are still two or three sentences and at least one paragraph that don't have trailing references, but since it's non-controversial material and the vast majority of the article is now referenced properly I'll pass GA. Congrats. - Merzbow 06:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Great. Thank you very much for giving me guidance on how to improve the article, and for passing it! =) Arfan 06:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

Is it right that an encyclopedia, as wikipedia is, should have speculation from newspapers sources such as the Daily Mail and the Sun? Robben's supposed move to Real Madrid hasn't happened yet, so I don't think its really worthy of getting in the article. Any objections in getting it deleted? --alexdeangelis86 23:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

None from me, Wikipedia is not the place for media speculation. In any case, the current paragraph completely contradicts itself, suggesting that he is both on his way to Madrid and staying at Chelsea. SteveO 14:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

I've heard a few different pronunciations of his name. Can an authority on this subject add either a phonetic equivalent or the IPA equivalent to the lead paragraph? Thanks. VincentValentine29 (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Selfish

He is famous for being selfish on the pitch. Google search with term "robben selfish" will answer all 83.100.155.229 (talk) 08:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)