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Dear Ariel

Dear Ariel, just a short line to put your mind at rest (since we do most of our talking off-wiki!) Indeed, the beautiful little fish, that gifted me a wholehearted smile, will be cherished forever. Thank you so much for it, and for the wonderful *boink!* you gifted me yesterday. Reply will be on its way as soon as my work, daughter, health and all real life etceteras permit, I promise! ;) Love, Phaedriel - 10:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No worries dear, I'm just so happy to see your name popping up on my watchlist in a variety of ways, and I know that even if you don't have time to reply, you've read the email. You take care of yourself first, and the rest will come. Much love, ^Ariel♥Gold 10:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sweetie, worry not for me - it's just, that between you and me, we could write volumes of text via email, that would rival in length with the works of Shakespeare! And girl, we do like talking, don't we? ;) Which is why I prefer to sit for a long time in front of the comp when replying messages like ours, instead of a hastily written line; you deserve no less. While I'm on, a couple of tiny advices: our friend Dreadstar could really use a word of comfort now... will you do that for me, pretty please? And also, I love your personalized smile message, it's truly beautiful and aesthetically pleasant, not to mention its sweetness. I see that you based it upon my userpage design, right? I say this, because I recognize an old flaw in the markup I made when I originally made it, which I corrected a short time ago; try removing the line that reads:

| colspan="2" style="padding: 0;" |

Which is unnecessary and adds that extraneous spacing on top. Or maybe you can let me try and retouch it for you? Anything for a fellow "iel"! ;) Lots of xoxox, Phaedriel - 10:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I did mine after seeing one from Lights, and then just changed the colors/text, because I really liked the look of his. But I can fix it, or if you'd like to, feel free! Thank you dear! And I'll take care of My Lord Dreadstar, I have been following the issue and wish I could do more than I'm able to do, but I will try my very best. Oh! Hey go into my images gallery at the top (when you have time), and check out the new versions of the "Cartells" tabs I did, I like them a lot better, what do you think? ~*~Big hugs~*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 10:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh! If you took the design from my friend Lights, that explains it all, as he asked me to borrow it some time ago, before I had the chance to enhance it. Leave it all to me! *rolls up sleeves* And let me tell you, the new versions of the "Cartelli" (they're originally It.wiki templates) look simple wonderful; and I like them so much, that in fact I'll try and code them into a new version of the {{filefolder}} template. Fantastic work! :) Phaedriel - 10:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed that line, but if you want to tweak it feel free. And I love the filefolder template, except I don't like how the bottom box color is ugly orange on the generic one, and I really don't like the second "edit" tab, as half the time it doesn't even work when you try to use it to edit what is inside the box. Let me tell you, it took me an entire day to figure out how to get rid of that dang second tab! Arrrgh. I mean, we're talking someone who has no clue what these symbols and words and parameters mean, I just fiddle, change, refresh, compare, and hopefully at some point, get something right, but as is evident, often there are things wrong that I would have no clue about, lol. So doing a new version of that template would just be so awesome! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry You Opened My Eyes To a Greater Light

Thank you for your devine thoughts of wisdom. You have changed my entire out look of life may God bless you and shower his gifts on your bossom.

From HACKER INC

Nonsense. I have blocked this user for 2 weeks Ariel. Hopefully this will be enough. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 11:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks dear, hopefully they will return and contribute constructively. As always, thank you very much! ^Ariel♥Gold 11:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I am willing to help any time. I wish people such as these would release their ill will somewhere else, instead of here, to destruct what we as volunteers are trying to do... -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 11:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Any time!

Any time, my friend! :) Phew, lots of fun figuring that out, but I think certain extensions of HTML code are not recognized by the MediaWiki software, so I resorted to good ol' Wiki markup to save the day ;) Enjoy it, sweetie! Love, Phaedriel - 13:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

You're just awesome, dear, and I appreciate the time that took you to do very, very much! ~*Hugs*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 13:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Hewlett Packard Talk page

I see you already had a round with a IP user 70.59.132.74 about deleting a comment on the Talk:Hewlett-Packard#Diversity page. I believe that the comment violates the Wikipedia is not a soapbox policy. Wikipedia isn't based on personal anecdotes, and whether on the talk page or the main page, the comments shouldn't be there.Wefoij 16:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that's fine, I just saw an anon IP remove multiple comments from a talk page, and refactoring or removing others' talk page comments with no explanation in the edit summary, he'd been previously warned for doing that, and it is not something that's considered polite, so I did not know those comments should be removed. If you'd like to remove them, feel free, but it should be stated in the edit summary, to let others know the reason they were removed. Thanks, ^Ariel♥Gold 23:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

*sigh*

I want to bang heads together. Note especially the Edit Summaries[1]. So I've stepped it up a little.[2] — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 18:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

And another funny...

I was almost disappointed that I found this was copyrighted.[3] I really wanted my reason for deleting it to be No original research. Tee hee! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 18:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Still sleeping?

That's not like you, it's the middle of the day! I responded to you... --MikeVitale 18:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Quick Question

Would you look at this userpage and tell me if you can see this users name in the history? For some odd reason, I can only see (talk|contribs); no username. Is this just me? i ^said 02:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep I see all their contribs, starting with the creation of the page: 19:52, July 28, 2007 ҈ (Talk | contribs) (26 bytes) (←Created page with 'You can call me "Sunshine"')

The name appears to be a character: ҈ which may not be rendering for you, is what I'd guess. Sadly, I don't know the solution to that if you're not seeing the name (character). ^Ariel♥Gold 02:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

The odd thing is that I just updated Firefox yesterday, so I can't imagine it's that. But non-latin usernames, yes. However, this one is a symbol. I am pretty sure that doesn't fall under the umbrella of non latin characters. i ^said 03:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I agree, and I personally think this should be disallowed, as it would really be difficult for editors such as yourself who can't see it, to be able to know who edited pages. If you'd like to take it to RFCN, feel free, I think it would be good for the discussion, or maybe take it to the talk page, and not an official request? I'm just not sure the policy on ANSII chars as names. Let me know what you do. ~*Hugs*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 03:25, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I was just about to say something. I use Firefox as well and I see the character fine. I'd suggest usurpation of User:Sunshine (one of those no logs, no contribs, not deleted contribs accounts), but the user has less than 50 contribs in two months. As for WP:U, the non-Latin character thing is meant to deal with non-Latin characters used in other languages. This is an ASII character or something. May need to dial the higher-ups on this one. -- Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 03:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Exactly what I thought too, would you think it appropriate for RFCN? ^Ariel♥Gold 03:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

If he refuses to change. I'm finding it extremely odd that I am the only one who cannot see this. i ^said 03:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite sure you're not the only one, the editor is fairly new, and I would guess s/he just has not run into many editors, as the contribution history is quite short. Let's see what Flyguy thinks about RFCN. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, yes, but I don't think this is super urgent. We're still chatting on sunshine's talk page. I just left a note there. I want to talk to a bureaucrat about an atypical usurpation. Have sunshine create a dummy username and usurp User:Sunshine, and then have User:Sunshine redirect to User:(splat) with a hatnote. That way if anyone types in sunshine, they get the right person. It's based on Niko Silver's idea at WT:U (I think) a few months back. I suppose we could also start centralising the discusstion at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User names. Probably a good idea. And I just got your PS. Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 04:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

← LOL. Ok, "User:(splat)" is my lazy way of writing User:҈. For the direct and redirect business, see Niko Silver's Proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Username_policy#Non-latin_usernames.2C_revisited. Basically, User:҈ would end up with two usernames, since the dummy one would not be theirs after the usurpation. User:Sunshine would be the Latin character version of their username and would redirect to User:҈. This is useful with their current sig "Sunshine ҈". The bureaucrats might not go for it. In fact I doubt they'll do the usurpation because it would take away a possible useful username from someone who might actually use it. Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 04:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay, I sort of get it now, but ... well what about allowing this user to just take the Sunshine name? Would that be a viable option? I mean, I don't see a valid reason for the user to want to keep that character as a username, they could put it on their page, in their sig, wherever, without disrupting others, so I'm a bit unclear what the user's concerns are. ^Ariel♥Gold 04:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Conversation in three places is difficult. At any rate, my main concern is that for whatever reason, I cannot see the name in the history. And we cannot type it, although redirects would deal with that. I suggest we ask a bureacrat about the various questions. Probably Secretlondon, since she is by far the most experienced active bureucrats, and the most in renames. She was one of the originals, which says something. i ^said 04:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's continue all discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User names. We can move the earlier stuff there later. -- Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 04:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Why there? Not opposition, but just curious. i ^said 04:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it may have interest for the wider community, but not a full RFCN as yet. Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 04:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was a bit hesitant to take this to RFCN as well, and suggested the talk page at one point I think as an alternative. ^Ariel♥Gold 04:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Girrrl, you are quick! :)

Dear Ariel, despite what my user talk page says, thanks for being so quick on the trigger to defend my talk page! I accidentally reverted your reversion of the vandal. I'm glad you're lookin out for me :P ~Eliz81^(C) 07:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I realize some editors don't like profanity, but that was just uncalled for. I didn't alter the editor's comments, just the section title. And yep, I'm always looking out for you! ^Ariel♥Gold 07:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

And he's blocked for a week, so yay. Personal attacks are a big no-no! :) ~Eliz81^(C) 07:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

<yawn>

Man, you're up late :). Jmlk17 09:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I woke up at 6pm, so it is barely evening for me! ~*Giggle*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 09:42, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

6pm?!?!? What on earth? I need to go to bed 3 hours ago lol. Jmlk17 09:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

My schedule flips around every few weeks, because I tend to sleep less than I'm awake, so inevitably, at some point I'm awake nights, lol ^Ariel♥Gold 09:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it happens. I sometimes just can't sleep at all, and have gone 4 days without sleep before. Well, granted I was fresh out of major surgery, and had enough wicked drugs in my system to K.O. a horse, but that's another story :). Jmlk17 09:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha silly Jmlk! Sleep is good, but I don't sleep very well, so for me, it is more of a necessary evil that I do when my eyes won't stay open, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh man. I love to sleep sometimes. I have my nifty little basement room in my house, underneath a deck, so it stays extra-cool in here, and extra-dark :). I end up sleeping far too late sometimes though... how's the editing going? Jmlk17 09:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I wish I could sleep well, lol. You know the term "wakes at the drop of a pin?" That's me, literally. I have to wear earplugs even though I basically live on the edge of a forest, nowhere near any major roads, lol. And today was productive, look at the article I created: Jay Barbree. I submitted it for a DYK fact, we'll see if it gets in, it would be nice to have at least one of mine not get rejected! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work! We need to make you an admin in the near future :-D Jmlk17 10:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL You don't have to be an admin to write an article! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I know, but we could use admins like you! :) Jmlk17 10:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrmm... ~*Shrug*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 10:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll bug you about that junk later... I'm quite tired, so I must bid you a goodnight! Jmlk17 10:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Good night dear! Sweet Dreams!

^Ariel♥Gold 10:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk page

Hi Ariel, I have kind of stylised my new talk page border based on yours. I hope you don't mind! Cordially, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 10:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL Of course I don't, and don't forget, you're the one who helped me customize my font here! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Smackdown!

To myself, that is! I saw right after I posted on the Help Desk that you had made edits to the Smackdown article...and then I felt silly, haha. Anyhow, I'll try to be around the Help Desk when I can! See you around :D GlassCobra (talk • contribs) 11:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Awake

Here's more sugar~!~

Stop stalking me :P yes I am here for a bit, doing university admin. The cricket is on so I am in and out, but yeah, what is this issue? SGGH ^speak! 11:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I have left a message with both users and on the talk page telling them to stop this daft little edit war. I have instructed them to leave the flag off until a concensus is reached, whereupon the decision can be made. I informed them that while they are discussing it I won't allow any edit wars to continue, and I will be forced to protect the page and give a warning template to each user if they continue what has to be the lamest edit war ever! *proceeds to slap you because you put only one sugar in my tea* see what I mean? Let me know if the war continues and I don't notice it, and I will protect the page myself. Rash action is needed :) SGGH ^speak! 11:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you dear, this has been going on for a while now, weeks at least, and it is just silly, both Timotab and I tried to get them to come to an agreement (with other editors of the article) and it seems that did not help, so I would rather have an administrator step in and explain the reasons. Thanks so much for taking care of this! And here's your sugar, don't have a cow! ^Ariel♥Gold 11:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I fixed that typo, too much cricket and was making lunch. It's a tough life! SGGH ^speak! 11:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Just make sure Timothy knows what I laid down :) catch you later SGGH ^speak! 12:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep dear, already left him a quick note about it, thanks, and have a spiffingly wonderful day! ^Ariel♥Gold 12:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Of course, if you were an admin yourself, you'd have the authority to evoke fear and trembling in silly users yourself. *whistle* (Oh, and is it a bad sign that I nearly signed an email with ~~~~?) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 15:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I keep telling her to be an admin but she wont :( I messed up ever so slightly as I contradicted myself re:adding birthname. But who cares, as long as there is no more edit warring :) SGGH ^speak! 20:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Victuallers has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend or in this case someone chosen at random . Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Oohhh I love smiles! Thank you Victuallers!! ^Ariel♥Gold 12:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

That is a coincidence. You are right our pictures LOOK the same, trying moving your cursor over the one on my page ..... its clever! Can I change the one on your page? 14:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Victuallers (talk • contribs)

Burntech solutions?

This page looks like an advertisement, but I'm not quite sure what to do about it, exactly... --MikeVitale 12:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah-ha. Found the {{db-spam}} template. Flagged article as such. --MikeVitale 13:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep G-11. Also, look at the code that I changed here to see how to make templates like that link to see what they are with a clicky wiki-link. ^Ariel♥Gold 13:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

NPOV and Jimbo's bio

I probably should have clarified my edit summary with the qualifier of current discussion. The last NPOV discussion died on the 31st of August. Thanks for checking in though! VanTucky ^Talk 17:15, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Your warning template

Is great! It really made me smile. Good job, Dfrg.msc 00:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

~*Giggle*~ Thanks, I like them too! ^Ariel♥Gold 01:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Jay Barbree

Thanks for picking up so quickly on my submission from WP:AFC. Your work on the article is really fantastic! --71.204.235.65 02:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ironically, Space flight is my area of expertise, so it was a really perfect fit for me, and I enjoyed creating the article immensely. I'm pretty happy with how it is now, and thanks for submitting it, I was honestly shocked that there was not already an article about him! Good catch! ^Ariel♥Gold 02:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

And hey, it's not like creating articles here is Rocket Science. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 03:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

~*Groan*~ Oh, that was bad... lol. (okay it made me smile) ^Ariel♥Gold 03:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I knew a Rocket Scientist who married a Brain Surgeon. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 03:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Rocket Girl, bah bah bah bahbah all alone... HalfShadow 03:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You singing to me, HS? ^Ariel♥Gold 03:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Shush, woman, I've got my mojo goin'. 03:23, 13 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by HalfShadow (talk • contribs)

Tiny change

I know it is probably poor form (to say the least!) for me to have edited your userboxes page, even just a tiny bit ... but I did it anyway. Sorry! Seriously, for no particularly good reason I wanted to experiment with the {{User Space exploration}} template, and the only solution I could find for my problem was to handle as a "special case" users who put the template on a sub-page of their user page. Of course feel free to revert my changes (both to the template and your page) if you choose! (sdsds - talk) 03:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL Silly, it isn't bad form, that is not "my" userbox, it is a template for the community, and I welcome and completely appreciate your addition of the code that prevents adding the category to sub pages, I honestly would have never thought to do that, you rock! ^Ariel♥Gold 03:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh! It's a heart!

I thought this was interesting, given recent discussions. Your signature shows up for me as "Ariel|Gold" but I was checking something with Safari, and I see that the | is meant to be a heart! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 03:47, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Ohmigosh, yes it should show as a heart! Blah you don't see it? lol. No real biggie, I guess, at least there's something separating the names, when I created this name, I don't think Wikipedia allowed spaces in names, so I could not make it Ariel Gold, as I wanted. I have that as a Doppleganger account, but no reason to really change my name, as it has been so much time with this one, and I think it is pretty obvious that it is two names. But yep, supposed to show a heart. You don't use Windows? I don't think you see things the way they're meant to be seen! ^Ariel♥Gold 03:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it's any consolation, I can see this image. . i ^said 04:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, do you see my heart? ^Ariel♥Gold 04:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thats what I meant. I tried to make it clear...but I struggled =D i ^said 04:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Well that's excellent! It does make one think, though, I wonder how many editors don't see my little heart (link contribs), and I wonder if that contribs link is there for them either. Interesting... ^Ariel♥Gold 04:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

zOMG off to RFCN!!! No one can see it!!! i ^said 04:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Omg i you have a little evil streak! ^Ariel♥Gold 04:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I have no such thing!! i ^said 04:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha and I just can't resist clicking wiki-clickies, so I go to that page and can't help but do some WikiFairy work! lmao. ^Ariel♥Gold 04:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Your refusal of the addition of "Deserving Design"

The direct link to HGTV's page for this show that was included in the entry verifies that the show exists, and is as described; there isn't a more "reliable" source as to the existence of a TV show than that. Please check the submission again; there's no valid reason for it to be refused.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.138.98 (talk • contribs) 05:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I assume (since you've provided no link for me to reference), that you're referring to your submission to articles for creation. As stated in the notice about why the article was rejected, there were no reliable, third party sources given. Please review what guideline entails. The homepage of the company (in this case, HGTV) is not a neutral, third-party source, and as such, cannot be used for verification. Please review these policies, and if you can find some third party sources (from sources such as NY Times, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, BBC, etc.) then feel free to re-submit your request for the article. I hope that helps clear things up, and you may also wish to review the core policies for reference. Cheers, ^Ariel♥Gold 05:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Typo.

I takes one to know one. You don't wanna know how many times I have had to re-edit a page to fix my own typos.... - Mgm|^(talk) 09:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, normally I catch them, but I really appreciate you spotting that one! Thanks again dear! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Minkrat

Now I want your thoughts on this one. Heh.  — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 02:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll take care of this one. Gimme a min to go make some tea and get settled, and that'll be my project for the next couple hours. ^Ariel♥Gold 02:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Pearland High School

Hi Ariel! --I didn't/won't respond to scarian's attempts at barbs/sarcasm. And trying to say I'm not defensive is about as logical to me a random non-US citizen from outside the country editing a United States of America high school page and assuming good faith edits are vandalism out of hand--I think there is a disconnect there; in this case, the schools/governments/societies are not the same in both countries, and for good reason, too, but that's another story for another time....To answer your questions, they did not come across as the editor wanted them to. I do think it is significant to point out, however, a substantial problem with editing of suspected vandalism on WP. Nowhere did this editor even mention any attempt to verify the facts, and even if you say it's not their job to do so, well, in the particular case of Pearland High School's page, why is it that the information I provided must have a reference when there are no references/citations for the other Valedictorians/Salutatorians listed? They don't have their own pages, either. For my take, the editor was instead very quick, too quick to assume vandalism. I realize, as I have read, that mistakes are made, but where is the threshold when that is excessive? --But setting that aside for a moment, since WP is all about verifiability and not truth, where does one draw the line if one could actually verify someone was indeed "verifiably" a toaster-oven, or a "meat-popsicle" instead of being a human? Or, to put it another way at the other extreme, in my case, since there was no WWW in use since it was just invented around 1989, because the feat happened in a very small town to begin with, and no one has run around archiving to put on the Net everything in Pearland from the time before the Net to when the city was known as Mark Belt in the 19th Century, to when the city was almost completely destroyed and its orchards of pear trees lain waste in the Hurricane of 1900 that did, in fact, destroy Galveston, Texas, in the worst disaster and loss of life in this country to this very day, to now....how does WP verify something when there are only 2 or 3 public sources kept at a time before the web, no one has archived it on the web, and it is not registered in the Library of Congress? In my case, there was a newspaper article, but it's not searchable on the web, the plaque with the Valedictorians on it hangs in that school, I have my letterman's jacket that states my name and says "Valedictorian," there are the yearbooks which I noted, and our alma maters have it on record (but not public record) that we were Valedictorians. --So, I annotated my entries following the templates; I just wanted the facts stated. Back to what I asked earlier, I find it amazing that it seems WP could have a de-facto bias against information not from the Net age if they were not mainstream historical facts (World War II) when, as I have stated above, there are good reasons for the information not to be widely verifiable on the Net. As you may have seen, I took offense to a stranger saying the facts didn't occur (by their deletion) out of hand when other names in the same list had (and still have) no citations whatsoever; and if you've ever confronted anyone who has tried to re-write history.... from politicians to holocaust-denyers, you might understand what I'm talking about. My friend, an editor for _The Arizona Republic_ newspaper, did wonder how COI is ever avoided at WP when any editor could be accused of COI at any time for adding any info at all, regardless of verifiability....it makes one wonder how anything is written or edited on WP when fear of COI seems to me to border on paranoid. If one knows information on a subject, one is thus-labelled "too close to it," and then accused of COI? I guess logic isn't used in a place where verifiability is paramount and truth takes a back seat, if any seat. I don't work that way; I'm a Vulcan, not a Cardasian. I would have loved to contribute more, but I don't think I will do so, or even use WP at all, because of this experience. I hope this finds you well. The1darknight 04:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, The1darknight, and thanks for taking the time to reply to the information I posted on your talk page. What I hope you realize is that Wikipedia is a fact-based, neutral, verifiable encyclopedia, and items need to be properly sourced and cited. I'd also remind you to remember Wikipedia is a global project, and regardless of someone's country of origin, they are welcome to edit any article, providing they provide references and sources for the information they add, and remain neutral and non-biased when presenting information. And if you notice, I removed the references to valedictorians, because the article is about the school, not about those specific people, and the references simply led to webistes about the colleges those valedictorians attended after graduation. If they are not notable to have an entry here, then it is fine to mention their names, but the reference that lists what school they currently attend is not relevant to the subject of the article, the school itself. I do not dispute that they were in fact, Valedictorians, and the names listing them as such is quite valid.

As far as pre-web references, they most certainly can, and are used, quite often, in proper citation format. Books, Journals, old magazines, old newspapers, etc., all are used often in a great variety of articles across Wikipedia. Verifiability does not necessarily mean an item on the web, it means a published item from a third-party source. A school's website, or their school paper, is not a neutral, third-party source for the article about that school. As for the conflict of interest guideline, I'll just ask that you read it, and I think you would then understand when it comes into play. Someone who has strong feelings is not necessarily conflicted when editing (provided they have the ability to remain neutral with editing). Conflict of interest is when someone writes about their family, friends, company, product, or other area that is so close to them, that it would keep them from being able to remain neutral. Verifiability and truth go hand in hand, when valid, third-party sources are cited to verify statements, the statements are not considered original research, and thus, are valid additions. I'm sorry if you feel these issues are not fair, or that you feel you cannot continue to contribute, because that was in no way the intention of Scarian, nor of my own helpful post providing you various pages to review. Wikipedia is different than many other sites, and it may take some getting used to, but in the end, the goal is to provide historical data that is true, and verifiable. I sincerely hope you'll reconsider, and continue to help build this project. Cheers, ^Ariel♥Gold 05:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I really wasn't dismissing the problem. If you want my help, I'd be only too glad to put my full services at your immediate disposal. How can I help? :) -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 10:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I know you weren't, and I know you would, and I was just teasing you my dear, it is no problem, I've left a note for the admin who dealt with it, and they will have the history and be able to work it out, I'm sure! No worries! You know I'll bug you plenty more in the future, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 10:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Smile!

Smile a little, smile a little, all along the road; Every life must have its burden, every heart its load. Why sit down in gloom and darkness with your grief to sup? As you drink Fate's bitter tonic, smile across the cup. Smile upon the troubled pilgrims whom you pass and meet; Frowns are thorns, and smiles are blossoms, oft for weary feet. Do not make the way seem harder by a sullen face; Smile a little, smile a little, brighten up the place. Smile upon your undone labour; not for one who grieves O'er his task waits wealth or glory; he who smiles achieves. Though you meet with loss and sorrow in the passing years, Smile a little, smile a little... even through your tears! Ella Wheeler Wilcox Aww, thank you, dear Ariel! :) Mom Phae always lurks in the shadows, in case anyone needs help! ;) Lots of love, and thanks for the beautiful flower! Phaedriel 10:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I cannot tell you how much it means to see your wonderful gifts here, my dear. Thank you so much for the beautiful poem and message, and for your taking care of things (even when I don't know it till later, lol), I hope you know how much that means to me. ^Ariel♥Gold 10:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Anna Wilding

Hi sweetie. Could you take a look at this (and its history) and see what you think? Ta muchly! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 01:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. and check your email :)  — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 02:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I just checked my email 10 minutes ago! lol ^Ariel♥Gold 02:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean you're not going to reply? or that you didn't get it? :P  — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 02:57, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, it means I have had no new emails today at all. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh. Then could you try emailing me? or maybe check your junk mail (I've found some wikipedia mail ended up in my junk/spam box) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 03:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay I emailed you, you need an email link on your userpage, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:15, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I got it and replied. And I do have an email link - it's on the left in the box marked "toolbox" :) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 03:21, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This[4] made me laugh out loud! — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 13:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

That's just about how I felt, too! lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 13:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Curiouser and curiouser. I do hope, even though you've decided not to get involved, that you're watching. It's like a train wreck. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 16:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Make sure you read all the comments on this blog entry[5]. I think you'll recognise someone's writing style. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 18:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to harp on, but I thought you might find this[6] interesting. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 21:16, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Desinicization campaign

I came across Desinicization campaign from monitoring wikirage.com. I was going to list it for deletion as a dictionary definition, but there just seem to be too much information. The only way to end that edit war was to provide a referenced article (so I did). The topic falls into an article whose subject is a POV. China looks at Taiwan's actions and says "Hey, you're getting rid of Chinese culture and that is desinicization." Taiwan looks at the same action and says, "No, we're just emphasizing the importance of Taiwan's culture so it is not desinicization." Neither is really wrong (or right for that matter), it is just different perspectives. The Chinese perspective now is in the Desinicization campaign article and the Taiwan perspective is in the Taiwanese localization movement article. If someone tries to counter the Chinese perspective in the Desinicization campaign, it likely will be original research. In any event, the article should be manageable from here on in. Now onto the other 100+ edit wars. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 03:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is a genuine anthropological interest article, but in the form it was when I found it, I would say that it provided little, if any, valid information for the average reader. And thanks again for all the work you did on that, it will make it much easier to manage POV edits now, and your work was simply excellent! ^Ariel♥Gold 03:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

• I listed Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Desinicize for deletion since a consensus after five days of discussion will give us and others more tools to bring this edit war under control. Thanks. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 15:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks for keeping an eye on this! ^Ariel♥Gold 00:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

have a good night

I'm off to bed. I've got to go to the hospital tomorrow to get an X-ray to make sure the self-removing stents have self-removed, and also to have bloodwork to make sure my liver function is all good. Assuming it is, I'll be all done. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 04:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahhh, okay dear, you sleep well, and let me know how things go tomorrow, I'll be thinking of you! ^Ariel♥Gold 04:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Liver function is much improved but not 100% normal. I also have some slight tenderness in my abdomen. My surgeon says that we'll see how I'm feeling in a week; that tenderness should be completely gone by then. We'll evaluate then to see if I should have more bloodwork done. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 22:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Violation of copyright

This article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Bristol

is a copy of this one

http://www.horacebristol.com/about.html

can someone please do something about it?

Thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.16.138.98 (talk) 05:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this! I've taken care of it, feel free to keep an eye on the page, but I will probably take that up as a project to expand with references soon. Interesting person! Thanks again! ^Ariel♥Gold 05:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Update, I have written this article from a stub into its current form, with multiple references, and inline citations. This copyright issue should no longer be an issue. Thanks for bringing to my attention! ^Ariel♥Gold 13:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on my talk page

Someone vandalized my Userspace! But a little angel came along and fixed it! Thank you! ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 10:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee hee. My pleasure! ^Ariel♥Gold 10:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Wheee! My template is being used!(not gone to the hospital yet) — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 13:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Layout cloning :)

Hi Ariel, I was away for a while, saw your message about WP:UPDATE layout. Haven't you heard about spontaneous cloning? (I hope is OK?) ℒibrarian2 17:14, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL Of course, it is fine, I love it! How are you doing? Keeping busy? I'm going to get over to K.I.S. and put those labels into tables, probably today. ^Ariel♥Gold 00:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

It's the GFDL, anyway. Sebi _[talk] 01:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

That, plus it isn't "mine" anyway, since I took mine from a template, lol. I actually really like the layout of that project. And hi Sebi! ^Ariel♥Gold 01:19, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit

yo i edited yor page so leave it. keep it cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smart jw (talk • contribs) 03:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

My new article

Could you keep an eye on the article I started called "Kanoko Hatamiya" and make sure it is accepted? Kitty53 05:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Kitty, yes I just reviewed that, I'm not sure either of those sources would be considered reliable third-party sources, but I'm also wondering if the actress meets the notability requirements, there are some pretty specific ones for actors/actresses, so I'm leaving that submission to someone who may know about this type of acting, as I simply don't know about this "anime" stuff. I'll keep an eye out, but I can't make any promises. If it is declined, take a look at the reason, and see if there are some things you can come up with that will help. Cheers! ^Ariel♥Gold 05:39, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

About Trolls & Bad Users

Removed defamatory statements about Wikipedia editors- ^Ariel♥Gold

--Special:Contributions/EdmundKLoEdmund Kayyuen Lo EdmundKLo 08:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Edmund, you need to read some core policies about Wikipedia. First, neutrality, second, verifiability, additionally, no personal attacks are welcome here. Your edit here constitutes personal attacks on current editors, and have been removed. Additionally, I would request that you thoroughly review what a reliable source is. IMDB is not a reliable source, it is editable by anyone in the world, and contains factual errors, theories, and speculation not backed up by verifiable, third-party sources. Fan sites, blogs, and forums are also not reliable sources. Finally, I would direct you to review the conflict of interest guideline, which states you should not create, or edit, articles about yourself, friends, company, products, or other areas in which you would be unable to remain neutral. Wikipedia is not a fan site, it is not a promotional site to generate press for actors or musicians, it is a fact-based, neutral, verifiable collection of articles of notable subjects. There are specific guidelines for notability of people, and I would encourage you to review those guidelines. Thank you, ^Ariel♥Gold 08:58, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Mona Lisa

I still think it is absurd to reference such a well known fact, which any of the references in the article would confirm, and to a book which covers all four referenced points on one page. You can use the in use template when doing complicated edits; otherwise, other editors are bound to take your edits as tthey find them. Johnbod 12:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't like use the {{inuse}} template unless I'm building an article, because I feel it is unfair to others to basically say "don't edit this page". However, the reference was valid, and useful for items that were not previously referenced. ^Ariel♥Gold 12:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Photograph of Cantor

Dear ArielGold, I noticed that you have just reverted some vandalism in Cantor's entry. Have you noticed that for some reason the photograph of cantor does not appear on the Main Page? Might this be related to some sophisticated form of vandalism? Perhaps you may wish to have a look and find out about the cause. Kind regards, --BF 10:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi BF, I think that is because sometimes images will not render, due to heavy server load, try refreshing the page, or waiting until the server load goes down, but hmmm, let me go find you a link to the explanation, as I don't do it justice. I'll post it on your talk page in just a second. ^Ariel♥Gold 11:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear ArielGold, thanks for your message. As for my note on my talk page, that is not directed to you; it was originally meant to put off someone who kept leaving messages on my page despite my repeated request to stop doing so (s/he kept asking me about the name of the photographer of a particular photograph, uploaded by me, of a person who has died 40 years ago; despite my straight answer that I had no way of knowing the name of the photographer, s/he kept asking again and again, like someone who is utterly obsessed about a single issue); I have kept it there since for the simple reason that discussions on Wikipedia have the tendency to become major issues. In addition, with my talk page filled with messages, its gives me the impression of an untidy desk, which I abhor. Kind regards, --BF 12:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahah omg you must hate my talk page then! Thanks for the reply, BF! ^Ariel♥Gold 12:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

No, your talk page is yours and moreover I don't need to face it every time that I am on Wikipedia. Kind regards, --BF 12:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, well, not "mine" but I do use it quite often! Feel free to clear your slate, if you like, and I'm in #wikimedia-tech, they are looking into the image issues. Hopefully they'll be resolved soon! Cheers, ^Ariel♥Gold 12:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and good luck with the "image issues"! --BF 12:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Curious Gregor

Hi, please keep an eye on Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Curious Gregor — User:89.104.53.212 is being persistent. In case you don't know, this is likely User:R:128.40.76.3 who has been blocked by Sharon many times - a whole hoard of sockpuppets. --Jack Merridew

Yep, I have that on my watched list I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks! ^Ariel♥Gold 14:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Page has been courtesy blanked per official request. Issue should be resolved now. ^Ariel♥Gold 17:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Timothy

Methinks IAR overrides any notions he may have about IPs being able to randomly remove warnings. --King of the Wontons 16:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I honestly rarely resort to considering IAR, perhaps I've just not had a reason to as yet, lol. Many administrators I've talked to about this, believe a user has every right to blank their talk page, and that simply the act of doing so, is the confirmation that the user has read any notices/warnings given to them. Many other administrators feel that blanking valid recent warnings is considered vandalism itself. Yes, blanking talk pages makes our job as RC patrollers more difficult (and the administrators' as well, when they need to know if 4 warnings were given prior to reports being made), but as there is no guideline or policy, it is really a point of contention. I tend to avoid reverting blankings anymore, unless the user is actively engaged in nonconstructive editing. But, the shared IP issue I believe to be a valid reason to always revert blankings, even if it is not a policy. When those users are reported, that category is put into the WP:AIV report by the AIV Helper bot, which is very helpful to the administrators. However, this is also why I use specific summaries, such as "test edit notice1" or "final warning", because I realize that the history may need to be reviewed. And, when reporting, if a user has blanked their talk page, I'll note that in the summary, stating "Four warnings given, user blanks talk page". I personally feel that blankings should be reverted, but I also realize that it isn't a rule, and not everyone agrees. It does present a problem, and I certainly wish a guideline would be created for it though. Unfortunately, until one exists, neither of us is right, and neither is wrong. ^Ariel♥Gold 16:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. But what's important to remember is that it's pointless to be a stickler for the rules on Wikipedia because nothing is set in stone (which is why I brought up IAR). This isn't a democracy - it's really an anarchy of sorts. So you've gotta do what you've gotta do, and if that involves ignoring a policy you think is unnecessary, IAR is there to back you up. --_{King of the Wontons} | _{lol wut?} | _{Oh noes! Vandals!} 16:51, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, but I'm simply saying that you'll find editors who will tell you it is fine for editors to blank their pages, and others who will be in agreement with you with reverting. Even if you point to IAR, that doesn't mean they'll agree, and indeed, they have every right not to agree, and we must respect them for their opinions, just as we request they respect ours. Ultimately, the main person dealing with the vandal can decide what to do, and usually the other editors will accede to their decisions in this issue. Those types of things aren't really worth arguing about, so it is best just to do what you think is right and move on. The next editor will do what they feel is right, and in the end, an extremely disruptive vandal will be blocked either way. ^Ariel♥Gold 16:57, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

(repeating my reply on my own talk page) I'm sorry you feel that I'm playing a "game". I'm not; I haven't even touched the talk page in question, other than adding the warnings when they were necessary. That said, I don't think this is an appropriate time to Ignore All Rules. By editing his talk page, and your constantly reverting it, he's likely annoying you, and also taking up your time that could be better spent reverting real vandalism. As such, he's succeeding in being annoying, whereas if you left him alone, he wouldn't be annoying anyone any further. — Timotab ^{Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!)} 17:01, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

reply

I don't think I asked you to leave the article - I was voicing my issues with the sources. You have a problem with discussing the sources? I'm a bit confused with your threat. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 19:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read my reply again, lol, I think perhaps you're seeing something that's not there, and that most certainly was not intended. I am not sure why you say I made "threats". That is a very serious word, and I really am unclear where you get that from. I said I was asked to keep an eye on the article, which I did, and that I was trying to help, but that I had no interest either way in keeping or removing the section, so I had no reason to argue about the issue, and that's it. I didn't threaten anything, so I'm really unclear where you get that idea. Either way, I have no issues with your concerns about the sources, and told you you're free to remove the one you questioned if you want (the other, as I said, I did not add). I was leaving it in your hands to take care of as an administrator, fully trusting that you'd do what you thought was best, and I was fine with that. Honestly, I'm sorry if you somehow read that as something it wasn't, but I truly don't get how you think I was threatening anything, but I most certainly was not. ^Ariel♥Gold 03:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

"If you feel these should be removed, or the entire section removed, feel free. I'll stop watching the page." - sounded like you were threatening to disengage. I'm sorry I didn't understand you correctly. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 04:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh gosh is that how that sounded? Oh, I'm so sorry! That's just me saying "honestly, it doesn't matter to me at all, and now that there is an administrator here keeping an eye on things, I can free up some watch list space, yay!" lol. I'm really sorry for the misunderstanding! ^Ariel♥Gold 04:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

DYK

Good work... Now pizzaboy can't laugh!

On 16 September 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jay Barbree, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Woo hoo!!! Send some Vegetarian Pizza my way! Thank you dear! ^Ariel♥Gold 05:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you a vegetarian Ariel?? ~Eliz81^(C) 09:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Vegan, yup yup, for decades. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! That is just so cool. I'm lacto-ovo myself for almost 9 years. We should totally talk food and swap recipes. Are you into cooking? ~Eliz81^(C) 09:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Good gosh no, lol. I don't ever cook. In fact, I have a 2 year old stove that's never been used, once. lol. I have my electric kettle for my tea, and my microwave, that's it. And I don't really follow any "menu" so I wouldn't have meals to swap, lmao. I just refuse to eat meat, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey the microwave works as well as anything! :) A lot of vegans I know are super into cooking, so I just assumed. Have you for example experienced the wonders of porcini mushrooms or quinoa? :)~Eliz81^(C) 09:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Nope, sounds icky! lol. Truth is, I don't eat a lot, lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL ok, replace that imagery with yummy vegetarian pizza and we're back to happy land! :) ~Eliz81^(C) 09:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, truth be told, you couldn't force me to eat Pizza, but shhh don't tell! hee hee. (I don't think I've had Pizza in well over 20 years, lol) ^Ariel♥Gold 09:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear! Looks like the yummy food talk didn't work. What did you eat for dinner today, and what was the last delicious meal you had that sticks in your mind? ~Eliz81^(C) 09:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Haven't eaten today, and I honestly could not remember the last "meal" lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 09:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

hehe ok. i'm off to sleep dear, talk to you tomorrow *food free hugs* ~Eliz81^(C) 09:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Night night Eliz!! ^Ariel♥Gold 09:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Jay Barbree

No prob :-) BTW, have you taken a look at WP:GAC recently? I don't see this article there... --Agüeybaná 13:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm working on that, but I believe it is just a bit too short. Sadly, he has not been written about as much as he's written, or his reporting is written about, but not him. And the issues of his early life, education history, etc., are that the only sources I can find are his own biographies, which can't be used, so I'm at a loss as to how to properly add a significant portion of interesting information about him. Ideally I'd love to get it to GA status though. Any ideas? ^Ariel♥Gold 13:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it's fine. Then again, I've only reviewed 4 Good Article candidates, so I am prone to making mistakes... Only a few observations, one of them being that the last sentence of the "Personal life" section needs a source, and the others I'll tell you if you let me review it :-) Seriously, I don't think there's anything wrong with it, but, if you're still working on it, then I'll wait :-) --Agüeybaná 13:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that was not added by me, and I've left a message for the editor requesting the source of that information. I thought I'd give it a day before removing it or adding a fact tag. Since I can't use his books as a source, and I'm 99% sure that's where that information came from. So, here is my question: Can I reword that editor's sentence to read something like "Barbree states in his book (book name here) that (life details)" and then cite the book? Or is that still a self-ref? The truth is I strongly doubt that fact has been written about other than by himself. ^Ariel♥Gold 13:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have your talk constantly monitored (no, I'm not stalking you :-)), but I still like seeing the "new messages" bar on the top of pages :-) I think what you said is fine. Otherwise, we'll have to remove the sentence, as it is a bit libelous. --Agüeybaná 13:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just thought I'd give the editor who added it a day or so to say where he got the source. I'm actually getting Jay's newest book tomorrow, so I can verify if that's where the information comes from. And hopefully I can fill out some more details of the article from that as well, but, things like education, where he went to college, I can add them, but I'd have no reference but a self-ref, I have spent probably over 10 hours combing through all of his articles on MSNBC and he honestly doesn't talk about himself much! lol. Kind of frustrating, when a reporter is so famous for one specific thing, it is the "thing" That is focused on, and not the reporter in secondary sources. As for GA, I'd rather wait to get some more information into it, and then have you review it with that eye. Honestly, I think it would pass, but I also think a GA should be a bit longer. I've reviewed a few GA noms unofficially, and this seems to cover all the areas. It is just missing some more "human" aspects of his life, and perhaps some other things. I just found a really hilarious story about a practical joke that Wally Schirra pulled on Jay in the early days, but again, Jay wrote about it, so blah! I can't even post that story can I? (And I have your page on my watched list too) ^Ariel♥Gold 14:02, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can. Just put it in quotations and add a link to where he said it. That should suffice. --Agüeybaná 14:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Blah, it is a pretty long (but seriously hilarious) story, about this amazing joke the astronauts played on Jay, lol. Check it out: Practical Joke. I can't figure out a way to add that though! But wouldn't it make this article sing? ^Ariel♥Gold 14:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I am now reviewing the article formally. I'll let you know soon if there are any problems or if it passes the criteria. --Agüeybaná 16:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

^Ariel♥Gold 16:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

That was unpleasant

Thanks for the hand in fighting that guy. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 16:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, GMTA, we crossed posts, lol. I don't even want to know what that "picture" was supposed to be! lol. ^Ariel♥Gold 16:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I tried to revert, too, but my Twinkly machine was too slow :-( --Agüeybaná 16:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

That they do, don't forget to give user:LOL a thanks. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 17:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, mine gets hung up with edits like those that are 200,000+ characters as well, thanks for trying though Aguey! ^Ariel♥Gold 17:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

That new guy didn't even make sense. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 18:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee yep I saw that, unrelated perhaps? ^Ariel♥Gold 18:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's probably a different person, I just didn't want to create another section on your talk already. Considering how many vandals I've whacked today, it's likely it's someone else. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk|Contribs) 19:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, I figured, and no worries, I check sections, multiple conversations are awesome! ^Ariel♥Gold 19:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

GA

It is my pleasure to inform you that your nomination of Jay Barbree for Good Article status has passed. Thank you for your work. Happy editing! --The Squid Guy 17:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Squid Guy rocks! Thank you so much for your quick response, and for all your help! ^Ariel♥Gold 17:22, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

No, all the paperwork is for me :-) --Agüeybaná 17:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

LOL Well thank you again my dear! ~*Hugs*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 17:27, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

BTW, when you pass an article, you have to do this, this, this, and this :-) --Agüeybaná 17:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee. So much work I made for you! Should we change the rating on the assessment scale on the talk page too? ^Ariel♥Gold 17:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot that one :-) BTW, that's the first AFC GA! --Agüeybaná 17:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Ever? Are you serious? ^Ariel♥Gold 17:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah! See Category:GA-Class AFC articles (which I created, just for you) :-) --Agüeybaná 17:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Holy cow on a hotdog bun! That's wild, Woo hoo! ^Ariel♥Gold 17:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Some GA help

Hey Ari, great to see you again! Congrats on your AFC GA! I'm currently working on Larry Mullen Jr. for GA (hoo boy is it a mess!) and was wondering if you could help me with Reference 4; it does not seem to be showing up. (If you could give any other suggestions, they'd be welcomed.) Thanks! Love always, Neranei (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi sweetie, you haven't given the full citation for ref 4. You're using multiples with the name, but you have to cite the entire ref the first time, so Wiki knows what it is referring to. Drop the source URL in here and I'll drop it into the article if you want. ~*Hugs*~ ^Ariel♥Gold 17:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey dear, do you mean that the first time "book1" is cited, it should be the whole citation? Love, Neranei (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep if that is the ref's name you've given it, any time you make a name, the first time you do it, put the entire citation in, and then for subsequent mentions you can do the "name" shortcut like we showed you. You have the URL? ^Ariel♥Gold 17:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S., I've fixed the issue of two references sections. I moved the links into external links, but you should know that this @U2 site isn't a WP:RS, it is a fan site. I'm not sure how well that will go over with so many multiple items cited to that, when GA review comes around. The same goes with U2Online. Certainly this person has been published in more news articles than just the one Chicago Sun times? ^Ariel♥Gold 18:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Here are some articles you might want to use, and just put the fan sites into External links section: [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] and these articles about them entering the hall of fame, [15] [16] should be used over any fan site ref. Hope that's helpful! ^Ariel♥Gold 18:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so very much, dear! I know that they are fan sites, and it is extremely frustrating, because the @U2 site has a very good news archive, and has things that are so hard to come by elsewhere, especially when the original source is defunct and/or doesn't have a website. And yes, he has been published in many different publications, I just haven't gotten around to them yet ! Thank you so much! Love, Neranei (talk) 19:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Aww, c'mon and inadvertant smile spamming. . .

Into The Fray ^T/C has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Into The Fray ^T/C has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

There's a couple for you just to prove that I'm not so attached to my machismo that I can't spread the wikilove too.  :P Also, I figured he'd revert too, but, you know, if you've ever tried to browse or edit anything via cell phone, it's a real pain in the wikikeister. Hmmm. I think there's an article in there somwhere. WP:ASS? Happy editing! Into The Fray ^T/C 18:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hahaha that's a great one! I've never tried to look at Wikipedia on a cell phone, but I can just imagine, lol. Still I thought it was kind of funny to spam you with smileys. Hope you don't mind! ^Ariel♥Gold 18:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Not even a little. Always glad to see good-humored, warm folks around here. I think sometimes we take ourselves a little too seriously and I've seen quite a few of your edits now and have been impressed. Cheers to you. Into The Fray ^T/C 18:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Hee hee, thanks, I think with the potential for misunderstandings in a text-only medium, it is always nice to have the smiley faces at the ready, to convey intent. And I've seen you too, so it is good to meet you "officially"! ^Ariel♥Gold 19:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)