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Central Asia

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


Khorasan and Afghanistan

Regarding your comments about Khorasan on the Afghanistan discussion board. If this is true, then you need to change the Wikipedia articles on Greater Khorasan, if all of Afghanistan was once part of Khorasan. If you don't have time to change it right away to reflect that all of Afghanistan was once part of Khorasan, please post some type of alert to let readers know the article is incorrect and will be changed. KP Botany 23:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Your introductory paragraphs in the article on Greater Khorasan conflict are still in conflict as is what you posted on my talk page.
In the article you say:
"Greater Khorasan included territories that presently are part of Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan."
"[Part] of ... Afghanistan" does not, in English, mean the same thing as "Afghanistan's current regions were entirely part of Khorasan."
And when you detail the territory you mention only "northern regions of Afghanistan, and ... central regions of Afghanistan," leaving the reader to conclude that, as you stated early only "part" of Afghanistan was Greater Khorasan, the southern portion of Afghanistan that was not part of Greater Khorasan.
So, please change the text to conform in its entirety with what is accurate. Either all of Afghanistan was part of Greater Khorasan and you need to indicate what province the southern portion of Afghanistan was part of, or not all of Afghanistan was part of Greater Khorasan and you need to remove that information.
KP Botany 15:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Whether an inaccuate phrase (part of) is used, whether you have misunderstood. I will try to find a better expression for it. In fact, Khorasan was not only limited to Afghanistan. Afghanistan was only a part of Khorasan. So by saying Khorasan included territories that presently are part of Iran, Afghanistan, etc. I think it conveys the exact meaning: The territories of Greater Khorasan are now part of Iran, Afghanistan, etc. So Afghanistan's entire region is part of Khorasan.
I edited that sentence in the article. If you still think it does not express that point, so I would appreciate if you edit that sentence in the article. Ariana310 17:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Racist comments by User:NisarKand

Because of his racist comments, I have reported User:NisarKand to admins. Please take some time to have a look at this: [1]

Your opinion and comments may help to solve the problem.

Thx.

Tājik 17:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me, but I think it was abit late. I think just after your message, Nisarkand was banned. But if you had informed me earlier, I would have certainly written my point of view there.
Thanks though.Ariana310 16:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Khorasan

What are you talking about?! I do not know you and you do not know me. Claiming that "Afghanistan was called Khorasan" is wrong. "Khorasan" was a loosely defined region in eastern Persia, dominated by a sedentary, Persian-speaking and Islamic culture. Modern Afghanistan is only one part of Khorasan and not its continuation or inheritor.

Tājik 19:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

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Civility

Could I suggest that mundane editorial disagreements are most likely to resolve quickly and productively when editors observe the following:

  • Remain polite per WP:Civility.
  • Solicit feedback and ask questions.
  • Keep the discussion focused. Concentrate on a small set of related matters and resolve them to the satisfaction of all parties.
  • Focus on the subject rather than on the personalities of the editors.

Thanks! [2] KP Botany 17:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks! [3]

Your comment, "It clearly indicates your inability for response," fails to "focus on the subject rather than on the personalities of the editors," as you have introduced a personal comment (about the other editor's "inability"), namely your assessment of the capabilities of the other editor. This will not help to resolve the issue, but, rather, has introduced an extraneous issue, your assessment of the other editor's personality. KP Botany 00:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Response to your comment on my talk page User:KP Botany

If he makes comments to you that are personal attacks and offensive, you should remind him of WP:civil. However, his bad behaviour is not an excuse for your own, and attempting to use it as such, just makes the entire situation more unpleasant for everyone. Please address his behaviour directly, by reminding him of civility policies or posting on the WP:AN/I board when necessary, rather than escalating his incivility by adding your own. KP Botany 00:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

[4] KP Botany 00:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Two Articles in need of your attention

There are two entries at Wikipedia, which have falsely created by Pan-Turkists-- they are Turco-Persian and Turko-Persian Tradition. Both entries are factitious. I have requested the entries to be deleted. My reasons are:

The term Turko-Persian Tradition (or Turco-Persian) does not exists academically and it is a factitious entry! Check the Encyclopaedia Iranica to confirm -- The correct name for that culture is the Persianate culture not the "Turko-Persian". Turkophones (mostly of mixed race and Persianized in culture) only spoke in Turkic dialects and were in the military. That is not enough participation in creating and forming the culture to deserve the name "Turko-Persian Tradition" – This is misinformation. All the elements in that area, which have to do with tradition and culture, were drawn from the Iranian culture (Persian, Kurdish, Azari, Baluchi, Tajik, Luri, Gilaki, Talishi, Mazandarani, etc.), and the Islamic faith, not much Turkic elements (like shamanism, yurts etc.) were incorporated in. That is what makes the name "Turko-Persian" an imaginary one and therefore the entry should be deleted.

Any contributions would greatly appreciate – please add your comments, whether you agree with the deletion, or otherwise to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turco-Persian as well as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turko-Persian Tradition. Bā Sepās Surena 03:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

3RR on Afghanistan

Ariana, I just blocked both NisarKand and Beh-nam for longish periods for renewed edit-warring over Afghanistan. Just when I finished doing that, I noticed you seem to have violated the rule too [5], [6], [7], [8]).

Since you are not a newcomer or a stranger to this particular edit war, and must have been aware of the rules, I can hardly avoid blocking you too. As you have no previous warnings and 3RR blocks, and as your behaviour in some of your edits seems just a tad bit more constructive than the others', the length is "only" 12 h. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Afghan musicians

I added information on a few Afghan singers under the Afghan musicians category. Can you please go through them and add any additional information that you may know about singers of Afghanistan since you are an Afghan. Thanks....NeutralWriter

Bidel Dehlavi

Hi Ariana

Just a comment on Bidel:

Iranian experts have been working on Bidel over the last three decades. We have hundreds of persian poets and I think Bidel is among those that have been studied pretty well in Iran. I don't see any point to disrespect Iranian experts. Persian literature is our common heritage. You know that most research works on Hafiz, Ferdowsi, Rumi, ... have been done in Iran. But I think it is not fair to say that Firdawsi, Rumi and Hafiz are unknown in Afghanistan because Iranian worked more on them. Sangak 07:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a comment by an Afghan researcher:

ظرف چند سال‌، بيدل چنان موقعيتی در اين کشور می ‌يابد که بيش از بيست هزار نسخه غزليات او به چاپ می‌رسد و چندين کتاب معتبر درباره اين شاعر نوشته می‌شود


Regards. Sangak 07:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I am familiar with these arguments. In any case one can not ignore that Iranians were behind Bidel's international recognition and the majority of books written on Bidel were published in Iran. I agree that Bidel has a stronger presence in Afghan music. I can understand this. On the other side Rumi has more presence in Iranian music. One can not argue that Rumi has a higher status in Iran than in Afghanistan. Here we can only talk based on evidence and statistics. Sangak 10:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I have already read Kazemi's article. The above quote is from him.Sangak 10:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Mohammad Reza Shafiei-Kadkani who is perhaps Iran's leading literary critic and distinguished professor at Tehran University has conducted a long-term research project on Bidel. Sangak 10:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't see what you mean by being "more famous":
  • He has more presence in Afghan music. (agree)
  • He has a higher status in the heart of Afghan! (disagree/ subjective/pov)
  • He has a language (relatively) incomprehensible to ordinary Iranians (disagree/As an Iranian I can tell you that ordinary Iranians can not digest the language and style of most of Persian poets including Saeb Tabrizi and even Simin Behbahani!)
  • He has a language incomprehensible to Iranian experts (strongly disagree)
  • If you ask a random normal Iranian, there is more chance that he/she has heard the name of Bidel than Saib Tabrizi. (my personal idea)

Finally I don't like such arguments and I think if you try to enter this game you will be the loser as I can easily provide statistics to show that almost all of these persian poets have a higher status in Iranian research Institutes than anyother country. I don't like to enter this game though. Sangak 10:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I am not an advanced English speaker like you ! The main message is there.
  • Look-up in dictionary:
    • Inaccessible: not capable of being reached only with great difficulty or not at all
    • incomprehensible: impossible to understand or comprehend

The message is there. Sangak 10:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

"Saa'eb Tabrezi is also a poet of Indian school, brings no importance in your point." Ofcourse it makes a difference. Read Kazemi's article.
"And for your second point, Iranians heard more of Bedil than Saa'eb, I strongly disagree."(Are you Iranian? They have similar status.)
  • "his language is not easily comprehensible for Iranians (do not include personally the Iranian schoars) as the language of Hafiz, Sadi, Khayam or others".
Iranians are either expert or non-expert. I discussed both above. What is your problem with it?!
Also your argument leads to the following: "the language of Sadi, Hafiz, Rumi, etc are not easily comprehensible for Afghans as of Bidel."

Sangak 11:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Great logic! So you are bilingual! Sangak 11:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Bedil

Dear User:Ariana

Please forgive me if I went emotional. I just wanted to be a bit critical as I think there are lot's of controversies in the literature and one has to be careful. I am not going to touch the article any more as it is out of my current interest focus. Hope I was a bit helpful. Be happy and have a nice day! Bye! Sangak 08:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


Ariana, according to Dr. Professor Müller Breitenbach of the uni. of Munich from 1978 Bedil was member of a family who were mixed by uzbeks and persians. His birth place is in the area of kabul

Afghan television journalists

Can you please contribute to Afghan television journalists category. I added several people but don't know much about them. Thanks....NeutralWriter

Nasrat Sharqi

Please also contribute to Nasrat Sharqi's page if you know any information. Thanks...NeutralWriter

Norouz

If you could add any references for the parts you added, it would be great. Regards, --Rayis 14:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Help

Please help me get rid of the tag of speedy deletion on Fardin Faryad. Thanks.

Re:Iqbal

Hi Ariana - please do add some references and citations for the information you've added. Cheers, Rama's arrow 16:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge

Can you please move Shabnam Suraya under Shabnam Surayo. Thanks :)

Googoosh

Can you please ban that vandal that keep reverting my edits to Googoosh's page. I am trying to standardize the page and he keeps reverting the changes before I even finish the article...Thanks NeutralWriter 16:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sabzevar

Salam. I think Sabzevar is at the western border of Khorasan.[9]--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 19:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Rumi

Salam. I nominated Rumi as a Good article and 0.7 release version of WP. As a reviewer of Ga Wikiproject I reviewed it informally and wrote my viewpoint and also explain what should be done to to reach GA criteria. We need your help .--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 17:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Tajik's ban

Yes I saw that last night and I was very outraged. So I already reported it to Admin [user:Khoikhoi]. He knows Tajik very well and I'm sure he'll look into it. Thanks for letting me know. I am really outraged, but I'm sure that his ban will be lifted once other Admins look at it. --Behnam 01:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Map

Sorry I missed it. I did label Wardak as Pashtun, but I think more than half of them might be Farsi-speaking. So before I go ahead and change it, can you take a look at this again? Just to make sure? --06:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, got it. Thanks alot for your great explanation. I'll fix it tomorrow morning. --Behnam 07:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm still unsure about that. I've seen a few sources which label the province as Tajik. Also I've read several sources that Aimaqs are a mix of Tajik and Hazara. But the main thing holding me back from changing Ghor to Aimaq is this map. What do you think of this map? --Behnam 07:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Afghan politicians or Politicians of Afghanistan?

Hey Ariana310, I'm thinking of name changing this category Afghan politicians to either Politicians of Afghanistan or Politicians in Afghanistan. What do you think of this? Also I don't see an option to move categories. Do you know how to move categories? If yes then please go ahead and move it if you agree with the new name. Thanks --Behnam 02:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

re: picture

Actually it also has Rumi's picture as PD. So it is the same as the old in terms of licenses. But, the old version does not have a source for Beruni's picture. The Admins put deletion tags on images that don't show their source. So that's the main reason why I changed it. I'll try to find the source of that picture. User:Tajik knows the source, I'll ask him. But don't you think this is a much nicer picture? Beruni's picture is kind of dull. What do you think with regards to the actual picture? --Behnam 09:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is very problematic. You're right. But maybe we can consider the figures from Central Asia as Tajiks? That is after all what Tajiks are defined as in the Persian people article, as Central Asian Persians. We should discuss that more another day I think. And ask User:Tajik too and maybe members of WikiProjectIran. --Behnam 09:46, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, now that I think about it again, you're 100% right. But that wasn't really my problem with it, it was just the license. I will add it back once I get the source, maybe by tomorrow. --Behnam 09:51, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok I reverted it. Also I found a new picture from a post stamp we can use. Its much nicer and I'll upload it soon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beh-nam (talk • contribs) 02:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

New Article: Tahir Badakhshi

I saw your edit on Khalilullah Khalili so thought you'd be interested in this new article, Tahir Badakhshi. Please take a look at it for any improvements or corrections you can make. Thanks. --Behnam 09:50, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know much about him and I never knew that. Thanks alot! I will share this great article with many others. Thanks again! --Behnam 10:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

vandalism on Afghanistan provinces

NisarKand is back with an old sockpuppet of his, User:Aero stud24. He is vandalizing all the articles on Afghanistan's provinces by claiming that Pashto is spoken in every single province and other outrageous things like Panjshiri is a distinct language and Hazaragi is a distinct language. Just look at this and this. Its totally outrageous. I have all of them on my watchlist and I have reported him. But can you also please add them all to your watch list? Thanks. --Behnam 01:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

re: Ethnic maps

Thanks alot, but actually I just checked Commons and they are not deleted. So I'll just put them back. Oh and actually that map I think is old. I think the numbers from AIMS are more reliable since they are newer. (for instance they over exaggerate the Uzbeks) Also AIMS does not mention Aimaqs. But still I think I will now color in Aimaqs also. --Behnam 20:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

And also I'm going to do a recount of some of the provinces today and I will fix a few mistakes that I think I might have made. --Behnam 20:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Protected for 1 week. Do let me know if further protection is necessary. :) --Fang Aili talk 16:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Khayyam is from Neyshabur

I wondered you let Khayyam in category people from Tous. He is from Neyshabur. Can you cite your speech? (I don't know history much, but even he is called Khayyami Nishapuri. I can cite this.)--Soroush83 11:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know much about his biography and there is no exact messurement for calling someone to be from another place but there is a new question: Do you say because he met them he had been in Tous. the vice versa is more possible. Ghazali and Nizamul Mulk Tusi have been in Neyshabur for a while. I have read it for Ghazali before. He studied in Nizamiya in Neyshabur.--Soroush83 12:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan protection

Hey, I would protect but I'm reluctant to do so, given that it's only been unprotected for 2 days - would you mind asking the folks at WP:RFPP for a second opinion? Cheers, – Riana ऋ 09:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

LAST WARNING-DO NOT CHANGE OTR DELETE INFORMATIONS

Dear Awghul, backward and savage aoghun, when i see that you one time more delete informations or added informations i will swear i will ask the admins for banning you!! That you and your tribe are against any kind of education does not allow you to be active by your savage mentality!!

BE-NAHM; PHEONIX AND OTHER ARE BEHIND ME!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tajik-Professor (talk • contribs) 09:35, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

--Tajik-Professor

re: Afghanistan article

LMAO! LOL! Just look at what he wrote to you! And yes, I just looked at some of his edits and he's not editing properly and is a really funny character. I actually know him from an internet forum. If I see him again there I'll tell him to cut this out. He's actually knowledgable, he just needs help how to write properly here in Wiki. lol. And yes I am going to keep an on it. --Behnam 17:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

you are a pashtune??

if you are a tajik than i am a punjabi. i can see very well how tajiki you, your posts show it. The way how you act and write is not the way how an educated and knowlegdable Tajik would write!! Ok my english is bad but it doesn´t make me to a fool!! i know facts, i read them and etc.

by the way why i changed the article of badakhsi was because i know lot of pashtunes from the german, spanish and russian site who have no life. they come and change or delete posts, just because they do not like it. I thought or i still think you are a pashtune who just claiming himself as tajik (like many 1000 of you)who just want to make trouble on these sites. i didn´t know that the ip adress was yours so i hadn´t change the informations, sorry.

Babur Nama is the mongolic Puta khazana??

are you kidding me friend?? I copied the text 1:1 from baburnama. the two words god knows were written by babur self. Maybe you want tell me that Bbur never existed like the samanids and his books were written by tajiks, right??


by the way since when Pashtunes are using the term Ariana?? or Avesta?? you didn´t know it before 50 years ago. How comes?? funy, very funny for me. ...gorda dard shodam..az khanda kardan lol

Maybe you should study the sanscrit. you can download it and read it. you will see awghans called their country since the 3 century avxan-vaej ;)

if you next time delet the informations aboput the aoghan and what herodot wrote about them..i will delete your whole posts!! and ask for banning!! YOU ARE NOT THE PERSON WHO IS RULING WIKIPEDIA. WE ADMINS FROM THE GERMAN AND ENGLISH SITES ARE THE ADMINS !! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tajik-Professor (talk • contribs) 20:01, April 28, 2007 .

Sorry for insulting

Dorud va Salam braadar e Aziz,

sorry that i insult you. I am very ashamed about it. Man mazrat mekhom as to. I hope you´ll take it easy. Anushirvan Jan, maybe you know him as Maizam or Gul-Agha told me you are a Tajik.

Sorry i used some not good words. We Tajiks should get together.

Khoda Hafez

Ps: I will see how i can write a better text and summerize some phrases on some articles. It would be fine if you could help me with the grammar so far you can see english is not my best subject.

Ps: Can you plz add to the article Samanids that Bukhara fell in 999 and the last Samanid Isma'il II, after a five-year struggle against Ghaznavid Mahmud and the Qarakhanids, was assassinated in 1005 just because the Q. and the Ghaznawids created an alliance against him.


Sepas and sorry Bro Jan —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tajik-Professor (talk • contribs) 16:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC).


invasion

having just the US listed as and "invader" makes it sound as if it was ONLY the US involved in the initial stages of the war in 2001. this is not the case. the other countries listed were out for domination and to install a government of their liking. the NATO force led by the US with UN backing was trying to out the extremists from office and allow the citizens of your country to vote for their own leaders. i spent two years in that region. i spent alot of time north of bagram, its a beautiful part of the world, not much different than northern nevada or utah here in the US. some of the nicest people in the world too, its just a shame that it takes a war for people to realize that we are not the only country in this world.

At first, it was only the United States and United Kingdom who attacked on Taliban and invaded Afghanistan. The decision was taken by these two countries, not in a meeting of NATO members. NATO did not decide to invade or attack the Taliban. The ISAF and NATO forces were then under a peacekeeping mission with the agreement of Afghan government and United Nations. They have nothing to do with invasion. Plus, the fact that it was US or NATO who provided the chance for our people to vote for their leaders is your own opinion and I do not agree with you, however, there is not need to bring any political issues here. Thank you.-Ariana310 18:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

so the 4 Canadian soldiers and 2 German soldiers that were killed there during the initial invasion were, what vacationing there?


http://www.answers.com/topic/war-in-afghanistan-2001-present its ok though ill leave it how YOU want it.

That was not during the early invasion. The invasion was held only by the US and the UK. Other countries came later within the ISAF membership. What ever risk or lost that other countries took or taking, it is all upon their own responsibility. The peace in Afghanistan is not only in favour of Afghans but in favour of all the international societies worldwide, the same way that the disaster and conflicts in Afghanistan during the last three decades were the result of the interventions of foreign countries, including United Kingdom, Russia, United States, Pakistan and other countries. Almost all the political problems had their cause in foreign, and thus all dangerous regime in Afghanistan was a danger to all the countries in the world. Sorry, no political discussions.-Ariana310 18:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

i just saying in 2001, i was there, and i distinctly remember meeting other troops from germany, canada, and italy where i was. i guess if roles were reversed or views would reverse as well. page can stay, its not my country right? shouldnt be my page.

Hello

Kharaqani is now working :) --Bhadani (talk) 14:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Surposed Edits

you posted

Thank you for your edits in Afghanistan and Kabul articles, as well as in other articles. Just wanted to remind you that the sectors in Kabul does not have a name, they are only numbered. They are called, for example, as Naiya-e Seh (Sector 3). So the list of some names which you moved under the "Sector", they are in fact the name of the areas or neighborhoods.Ariana310 14:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC) Joe I 21:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

on my talk page. You mmust have got the wrong user, I haven't touched these articles!!!

Yes, I mistakenly wrote it in your page.Ariana310 20:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Kabul Province

You're welcome, however, KABUL CITY now has a totally new administration system since 2003, and sectors are used to divide the city. The word used for each sector is actually city "# district" but this is very confusing for many due to the same words used for KABUL PROVINCE's districts, I added the word "sector" instead of district, because districts of city usually are more larger and have own CITY COUNSILS and etc, this doesn't apply to KABUL CITY.

There are "2" different heads of police for Kabul, one is Kabul City's Chief of Police (currently Asmatullah Dawlatzai) [10], Head of Police for KABUL PROVINCE is Alishah Paktiawal, Dawlatzai is "only" responsible for the CITY, and Paktiawal is responsible for entire PROVINCE, that also includes CITY ofcourse. Kabul provincial police is similar to State Police.

The population for KABUL PROVINCE is speaking of "entire territory" of the PROVINCE (all the surrounding towns, villages, farmlands, including the city ofcourse), most people in the PROVINCE are PASHTUNS, in terms of "territorial figuration", although the CITY, which is just a tiny area of the bigger PROVINCE, may indeed have more non_PASHTUNS, and the city's figures shall not be used to project the entire PROVINCE as a non_PASHTUN "territory". Mostly all the non_PASHTUN ethnics in the PROVINCE are able to fluently speak Pashto when they conversate with PASHTUNS. The same would be for PASHTUNS, to be able to speak BOTH languages. This really is not needed to argue over because PASHTO and DARI (Persian) are the official languages of the country, meaning BOTH languages are tought in all the schools. Because of this, I and everyone else would imagine everyone in the PROVINCE of Kabul can speak BOTH languages. So why are you trying to bring a division among the DARI and PASHTO speakers? Check below and see figure out which ethnic of people are more in the Kabul Province:

Kabul downtown

Kabul CIA map with Wikimapia background
Kabul CIA map with Wikimapia background

I am fixing up the Kabul map:

  • Which major streets has been omitted from the downtown?
  • Where is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Is it in the same place as Republican Palace?

-MarsRover 23:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Official languages of Afghanistan

Constitution of Afghanistan: Article 16 of the constitution states that from amongst Pashto, Dari, Uzbeki, Turkmani, Baluchi, Pashai, Nuristani, Pamiri and other current languages in the country, "Pashto and Dari shall be the official languages of the state." In addition, other languages are considered "the third official language" in areas where they are spoken by a majority.

Pashto comes before Dari, I know this burns you inside but that's the constition of Afghanistan and all the leaders of Afghanistan signed to the terms. You are purposly trying to change things about Afghanistan for your own personal interests and satisfaction, which is a wrong thing to do. You should be ashamed of yourself. Is this what your Persian parents tought you to do.--Birdazi 19:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Greater Khorasan

Afghanistan in the 600s A.D.
Afghanistan in the 600s A.D.
Afghanistan During and after Arab Invasion (750 A.D.).
Afghanistan During and after Arab Invasion (750 A.D.).
Moghul Empire 1526-1857
Moghul Empire 1526-1857
Another Moghul Map
Another Moghul Map
Afghanistan during 1700 to 1792.
Afghanistan during 1700 to 1792.
Afghanistan during 1760
Afghanistan during 1760
Hindustan map in 1812, also showing Afghan areas.
Hindustan map in 1812, also showing Afghan areas.
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Central Asia map, showing Afghanistan during 1885 to 1900.
“ ...Elsewhere the country was apportioned approximately thus: Bost, Ar-Rukhaj (i.e., Arachosia or Kandahar) and Ghazni were ruled by Turkic princes; Kabul by the Hindu Shahi dynasty; Tukharistan (from Balkh to Badakhshan) had numerous fortified towns with their own princes; and Khurasan, roughly encompassing Meshed, Merv and Balkh with Herat at its center, was governed for the Samanids by a Turkic slave general. Dupree - Sites in Perspective (Interim: Sasanian–Samanid) ”

Khorasan DID NOT include Ghazni, Kabul or other places as you think.--Birdazi 19:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


The following are maps of Afghanistan (from 600s A.D. to 1900s A.D.), you will not find any indication that Ghazni, Kabul, or Kandahar being administered as part of Khorasan. Also to let you know that there is Kabul as a city and then there was Greater Kabul as a Country. Peshawar was included in Kabul country in the past. The same thing with Kanadahar as a country, Greater Kandahar stretched as far as near the Indus River, the next country to the east of Kandahar was Multan. The cities of Kabul and Kandahar were the capitals of Greater Kabul and Greater Kandahar. These 2 Bigger countries (Kabul and Kandahar) were sitting between Persian Khorasan and Hindu Hindustan. They were not administered as territory of either side but pure independent countries. I hope these maps will help you understand about the region. The evidence you provided from historians are false or you probably did not really understand what they really were saying. As far as I reading them, they all say the same thing I am saying.--Birdazi 21:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

YOUR MAP OF KHORASAN

That dark zig-zag line is the border of the Mongol Empire. It IS NOT the border between Khorasan and Hindustan. You must read the information on the map very carefully to understand what everything in it means.--Birdazi 22:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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