Talk:Arizona Proposition 107 (2006)

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[edit] discussion of the article

So now the article is basically a reprint of the publicity pamphlet published by the Secretary of State. For neutrality's sake that's probably a good place to keep it.

Gmoneyfinancial 17:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Unfortunately, this article is a good example of how activists can spin a Wikipedia article out of control. Unless someone objects, I propose that we only include statements that have some factual, logical, or historical basis.

As such, I’ll be removing the statement about “rights to same-sex couples.” This is a catchy line of propaganda, but the reality is that couples do not have rights. Opposite-sex couples do not even have rights. Individuals have rights.

The statement about denying health insurance benefits is highly speculative. Nothing in the text mentions employee benefits. I’ll be removing that statement unless an editor can show some logical, legal, or historical evidence that it is true.

Gmoneyfinancial 14:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Nothing is mentioned here about the religious aspect of marriage. Nor about freedom of religion, etc.

[edit] Why did it fail?

We should probably have a section about why this proposition failed in Arizona, when similar referenda across the country were approved the same year. Does anybody know anything about that? Why couldn't Arizona, a red state, pass this initiative, when Wisconsin, a blue state, could? --Hyphen5 07:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Those are some good questions and are worth discussing, but how do they fit into an encyclopedia article? If we tried to address why it failed we'd get a variety of opinions and speculation, but I have a hard time seeing what kind of hard, unbiased facts could possibly be included. But maybe you have some ideas of facts that would address the question. Gmoneyfinancial 00:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

There was speculation all over the media in the immediate wake of the demise of this proposition. Perhaps we could reference different proposed theories. It should probably also be mentioned that there is already discussion of reintroducing this proposition to the ballot in 2008 sans prohibitions on domestic partner coverage. Panchitaville^talk 05:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly the function of an encyclopedia: improve access to information/analysis performed in verifiable sources. There absolutely should be such a section, and it should include citations to published reports, media articles, etc. -Pete 04:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

While this is mostly for the benefit of answering the question on the discussion page and not the article, as an Arizonan, the general view in the state over the proposition was that it did not make any difference to same-sex couples (who already are prevented from marrying as per the state constitution). The biggest concern, and one that the prop's proponents tried vehemently to discredit, was that the people most affected by the marriage amendment would have been elderly, unmarried couples who cohabitate, and the results reflected this. For the most part, it wasn't about homosexual couples, but elderly retirees, and that's how a red state rejected a "defense of marriage" bill. ToastyMcGrath 17:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)