Talk:Arianrhod

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

WikiProject Celts Arianrhod is within the scope of WikiProject Celts, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Celts. If you would like to participate, you can edit this article or you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks or take part in the discussion. Please Join, Create, and Assess. The project aims for no vandalism and no conflict.
??? This article has not yet been assigned a rating on the Project's quality scale.
??? This article has not yet been assigned a rating on the Project's importance scale.
After rating the article, please provide a short summary on the article's ratings summary page to explain your ratings and/or identify the strengths and weaknesses.


[edit] Arianrhod and Beli Mawr

I cannot think of an efficient way to include this information as a reference to the connexion betwixt Arianrhod and Beli Mawr in the present introductory paragraph, so I am placing it here for others to use in editing this article.

"A'r trydyd a aeth gan Gasswallavn uab Beli, a Gvennvynwyn a Gwanar, veibon Lliav uab Nvyfre, ac Aryanrot verch Veli eu mam. A'r gvyr hynny o Erch a Heled pann anhoedynt."

("And the third [army] went with Caswallawn son of Beli, and Gwennwynwyn and Gwanar, sons of Lliaw son of Nwyfre, and Arianrhod daughter of Beli their mother. And [it was] from Erch and Heledd that those men came.")

"Aryanrot. - This triad is our only source for the knowledge that Ar(i)anrhod's father was Beli Mawr, and hence for the information that she was in any way connected with the Caswallawn saga."

  • Bromwich, Rachel 'Trioedd Ynys Prydein', University of Wales Press, 1961; triad #35R, pp. 77-80.

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 07:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm (slowly) working on a rewrite. I'm collecting information both from the Trioedd (awesome book, I have the new edition on order--keeps being delayed.) I've also got the bits from Llyfr Taliesin. The only version of Lewys Môn I can find is in Welsh--which I can barely read, and slowly at that. If you are interested in my rough outline, it is at: User:Straif/ArianrhodNotes. There is one other mention, off hand I can't remember where, but I have it in some notes. You are right, though. The introductory paragraph should probably only stick to information from Math, as that is where the bulk of her story is. --Straif 14:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


Arianrhod being Beli Mawr's daughter came up a lot while I was milking the net for meanings of Beli (ie bright, shining). The Welsh Beli (Belimawr or Beli Mawr) is related to Bel and balor (baleygr (from) bal eygr=blaze eye) - and seems to mean something different than the Irish Bile - but the names of their wives are very similar. The Norse Beli comes from belja - which is where the association with cows comes from.

If you are looking at Lewys - which is listed as both a variant of Louis/Lewis and a short form of Llewelyn - probably best to also look up the earlier form Llewys. And llwy seems to be a mispelling of llyw - if you come across it. If you come across Beli Mawr's son lleuelys, llevelys, llefelys - some sourses list it as "llef melys or honeyed voice" and others as a mispelling of the Old French version of the name Louis - which would be clovis, clouis, clowis, hlovis, hlouis.

Oh, while the silver wheel is the most common source of the name Arianrhod - another online source figures that arian rath, arian rhod means "silver fortress" or "silver tower" - which should be checked out before being dismissed - it could be that caer arianrhod means that.

The early people punned everyone and blastimized their opponents which makes determining true etymology difficult - most names have original meaning(s) and longstanding acquired meanings. It is possible that Arianrhod had more than one origin and more than one set of parents - probably best to keep them all under the same article but to separate them out.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.37.48 (talk) 21:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arianrhod "The Goddess of a Thousand Names"

Hello, I'm glad i decided to investigate after all. Because your listing for Arianrhod really left bme in in shock. And there was no mentiion of other things like for instance: Yes she is Celtic/Welsh from the Mabinogion she is the Most powerful child of the Great Earth Mother Goddess Don and Beli Mawr The Great. Gwydion was her sister, but i get vibes that's she's more upset with the sister who is antagonizing her and she cures the child. I read where "Llew Llaw Gyffes becomes known as the God of Son and Dylan becomes known as the God of the wavesThey were also to become known as the Dyad and the Darkness of the light [I'm not sure if i credit that because i think it came from a Wiccian biase and vnot a Celtic]. Also in your definition you hadn't mentioned what The White Goddess or Aranrhod governed or anything like that which you seem to do with other dieties.

The name Arianrhod means silver wheel or silver circle
 she is the Goddess of the Moon and Justice and the changing Seasons

She is The keeper of the Silver Wheel meaning she is the Goddess of the Full Moonand the stars and Inititian and Reincarnation.She is the Celestial Weaver she is the Goddess of Astrology


THE FESTIVAL OF ARIANRHOD IS DECEMBER 2ND When the Sun enters Sagitarius Astrologically the sign governs the month of December It's a mutable fire sign that rules the 9th house of the zodiac the planet jupiter and represents philosophy, religion, law and higher education.


Arianrhod's Palace is called Caer Arianrhod -the castle of the Siler wheel resides in the Corona Borealis. She is ruler of the Tower of "Inititiation of which is called Caer Sidi which is where souls go in between incarnations The Gates of Caer Sidi are through Circumpolar Atars.

There's much more stuff on her and her son did have a wife her sister made her from a tree -she was flower face..but she betrays him or something...Arianrhod is also suppose to represent 3 women in 1 she is the beautitful fair madien, the mother, and the crone.

well i hope i helped ..happy researching![[[User:J432|J432]] 04:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)}

I assume you're getting all this from Robert Graves or his followers. We might be able to incorporate some of it if you provide a source. --Cúchullain t/c 19:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Welsh Deities??"

It could be said that the only well-attested to instances of ANY known non-christian deities worshipped by the Welsh are those named in inscriptions on Romano-Celtic altars.

I would like to see some serious discussion on the merit of near universal custom of elevating to god/goddesshood virtually any of the primary characters in the stories of the Welsh corpus. Earrach 4/3/07

The category name should probably be changed. While I have no doubt that characters like Manawyddan and Bran the Blessed were at one point worshipped as deities, the corpus of Welsh mythology as we have it does not treat them as such.--Cúchullain t/c 17:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)