Talk:Argentine cumbia
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[edit] Peruvian cumbia
I can't believe that this page didn't mention the great influence of Bolivian and Peruvian immigrants in the growth of this music style.
Anonymous user 71.97.7.183 inserted a "footnote" about the origin of cumbia that I can't integrate well into the article now. After copyedit, this is it:
- Cumbia was brought to Argentina by Peruvian immigrants. Their style was called chicha, and in the early 1990s they merged it with synthesizers and coreographed dances.
I think this needs a source and some more context. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 15:15, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I think the right translation from spanish "Cumbia Argentina" to english is not "Argentine Cumbia", but Argentinean Cumbia !!!!!!! —This unsigned comment was added by F3rn4nd0 (talk • contribs) 06:25, 23 March 2006.
- There has been some discussion in the past about the correct form of the demonym, and editors working in Argentina-related articles more or less have settled in "Argentine" for the adjective, and "Argentinian" for the noun (that is, "an Argentine person" = "an Argentinian"). "Argentine" seems to be the most common in international media. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:43, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Argentine cumbia origins etc
The article as of Apr 25 2007 has some serious overlap with cumbia villera and fails to explain the roots of Argentine cumbia.
Cumbia in Argentina has two main traditions, other than the chicha Peruvian import correctly noted elsewhere in this comment: cumbia tucumana, and the "tropical" umbrella term used by bands all over Argentina to refer to imports such as baiao, guaracha, bolero, etc. Leon Gieco was fond of telling that his father's band would dress up and play a straight tango set, then don colorful garb and switch to "tropical".
Some of the artists noted are not cumbia artists, but rather artists incorporating cumbia into their repertoires (Trulala for example is a cuarteto band).
A very important moment in Argentine cumbia was the success of Chico Novarro doing numbers such as "El Orangutan" in the mid-sixties. A fine example of more recent vintage is "Corazon" by Los Autenticos Decadentes (c. 2000). elpincha 21:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hm, I always considered El Organtután a merengue. There's a very thin line between Cumbia and Merengue. There is, of course, element of the cumbia villera in the article, but I believe they are only as one kind of Argentine cumbia. Is there anything in particular you think should be changed? Perhaps more could be added about the 'romantic cumbia'. --Mariano(t/c) 13:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
- "El orangutan" is pure cumbia. Cumbia with some added speed can indeed become merengue (Fernando Villalona does a lot of work spanning this continuum). In Argentina the gamut runs between square cumbia beat (be it tucumana or Peruvian import) and cuarteto. Regrettably, people who are knowledgeable in cumbia tucumana seem to be scarce on the Internet... elpincha 17:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Hey, it's OK... The reason I got into this discussion is, I was talking to a Tucumanian musician the other day, and he played for me some of the classics of cumbia tucumana. If he can write down some of the info for me, I'd be able to add something to the article. The tucumana standard Deci por que no queres was very popular in the sixties (Palito Ortega), and the most amazing part—a cover of that song was Tanguito's first recording! (see Sp article on Tanguito). When factoring in Leo Dan's music as well, it seems there was a certain depth to the Club del Clan pack that many overlooked back in the day. elpincha 05:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
