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We should summarize the organization section, and move the rest to Structure of the Argentine Army. Ditto for history, when it's completed. Does anyone know where we can get images of the rank insignia? I'm working on getting the service emblems right now, starting with the Army. --Jpbrenna 4 July 2005 05:54 (UTC) P.S. -- I didn't delete the order of battle and Chiefs info, just moved them to new, separate articles. You can navigate to them from the template.

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[edit] Ranks

http://www.ejercito.mil.ar/index_ppal.asp

[edit] 30mm cannon (Dispute tag)

The following was posted to my talk page, which I am reposting here for further comments:

Hello,
Currently, there is a personal project ongoing regarding military research. The proliferation of weaponry between countries sometimes gives indication on how well relations are between seller and buyer nations. The more modern the armament sold, the more it appears to be from closer ties.
With South America, it's been noted that they have been forced to buy obsolote or even WW-II vintage weaponry, partially due to limited funding. During the Cold-War era, it appeared they chose to deal with NATO countries versus the Soviet-bloc as Cuba did.
The information on the Argentinian armed forces is very useful, though noted to be estimates. It appears that ties between Argentina and Germany remain strong after it's reunification.
It is hard to fantom how they have a 30-mm anti-air artillery piece which is either Nazi German equipment or proprietary Russian. This is not nearly as popular as the 23-mm and 57-mm variants used world-wide. It is especially hard to envision, when indications are that the more available Swiss "Oerlikon" 35-mm GDF modernized variants (like the Gephard self-propelled or the towed pieces combined with the Skyguard control) could be purchased - the latter in use by Canada.
It appears the only other country with 30-mm AA cannon is Greece with their Artemis. So drawing conclusions, either one of the following must be occuring:
A. The information is faulty B. They are purchasing uncommon 30-mm diameter ammo from the Germans, Russians or Greeks while other nations do not. C. They are using captured pieces or early WW-II vintage AA guns
En summa, while I am not familiar with the process of making an updated entry within Wikipedia, it stands to reason that a footnote taking exception with the data should be made.
Truly,
RancerDS

Does anyone have further information about this? --Hansnesse 23:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Researching the matter further, I note that the information was added by an unregistered person [1], with some pretty substantial contributions in military articles: contributions here. The article on [Argentine ground forces in the Falklands War] also notes the use of 8 "30 mm Hispano Suiza guns" which appears to be a type of anti-aircraft gun (?). --Hansnesse 23:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, Argentina had, and in some form still has, a close relationship with Germany; the federal government helped numerous nazi officials and scientists hiding them in the country, many of our cities have close ties with German culture and traditions, even our first Director of National Intelligence was a German citizen. I'm not a military history expert, but probably the Argentine Army is using German materials and guns. --OneEuropeanHeart 03:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
The 30 mm Hispano Suiza apparently is an anti-aircraft gun, but I don't know if the Argentine Army is still using it. Here is a photo. --OneEuropeanHeart 05:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
The 30 mm Hispano Suiza is an anti-aircraft gun, and the Argentine Army is still using it. Please see the following link to the official Artillery Branch webpage of the Argentine Army website [2], where it's listed as "Cañón antiaéreo 30 mm L 81,6".
Up to what I know, the gun is from cold war era (not ex-WW2 german nor russian), so neither conclussions "A", "B", or "C" are correct. I guess there should be no dispute regarding this gun being in the inventory of the Argentine Army, I'll try to further research it and if possible create a stub article on this gun (it is not mentioned in the "Hispano Suiza" wiki-article). Regards, DPdH (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC) .

[edit] First Latin American army with parachutists

Someone please add this information to the article: 1 and 2. Thanks. --OneEuropeanHeart 06:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A new special operations force?

Currently we have 7 articles about Argentine special forces: APBT, APCA, CC 601, CC 602, RAA 601, FDR, and GOE, but googling some terms I noticed theres lot of info about a suppossed new special operations force in the Army: the Agrupación de Fuerzas para Operaciones Especiales (Special Operations Forces Group, AFOE). Anyone knows if this is true? I'll try to find some official data about this, but probably we'll need a merge between CC 601, CC 602, and RAA 601. Cheers. --OneEuropeanHeart 03:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Information confirmed, the new unit was created the December 6th, 2005 as the first operational element of the Proyecto Ejército Argentino 2025, and consists of the CC 601, CC 602, and RAA 601 [3] [4] [5]. Soon I'll create the article. --OneEuropeanHeart 03:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The article has been created. --OneEuropeanHeart 04:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Would you consider merge all those dozen stub articles into one Argentine Army special forces (or something) with some background, timeline, etc ? --Jor70 14:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civil wars

Argentina never faced a civil war, the article refers to the wars against crown forces not to a civil war. I'm gonna change this, and before someone revert it consider that there never been a civil war. 190.49.131.91 16:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

With Civil wars the article refers to the wars between 'Argentine' forces; mainly, between Federales and Unitarios, years after the independence from Spain. --Mariano(t/c) 16:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Agree, the situation between "Federales" and "Unitarios" can be coonsidered a de-facto civil war, although I've never seen it in that way in the argentinian history books that I was able to read. Regards, DPdH (talk) 15:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Anonymous Edits

The recent inventory changes are dubious (and wrong in the case of Super Pumas and Zhi-11) so if there are not new references given we should revert all to 14:11, 3 April 2007 or at least remove the World Military Aircraft Inventory", Aerospace Source Book 2007, Aviation Week & Space Technology, January 15, 2007 reference link and add a {{cn}} Jor70 14:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CITER 155mm L33 Gun entry

I renamed the entry acording the teminology used in the official website of the Artillery Branch of the Argentine Army (http://www.artilleria.ejercito.mil.ar/quees/ac/subsistema01.htm). Also created a link ti a future wiki-article specific on this gun, I need to do some research first.
My apologies, I've forgot to sign that change! DPdH (talk) 12:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] M-101 & M-114 Gun entries

I provided links to the US howitzers with that denomination, assuming that they're th eactual model used by the Argentine Army. My online research didn't find evidence in contrary, however I'd appreciate if any other editor can validate my assumption. Thanks and regards, DPdH (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)