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[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] WP:ARBMAC

Hello there. In view of your recent edit warring, both as an IP editor and under your new username, you are limited to one revert per page per day for a period of two months. This sanction will be logged at Wikipedia:ARBMAC#Log_of_blocks_and_bans.

Please concentrate on building consensus through discussion on talk pages, rather than trying to get your way through edit-warring. --Akhilleus (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

For edit warring through multiple anon IPs (confirmed to be yours [1]) and block evasion of your previous block on 217.24.247.236 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS). Block duration is a week this time. This will escalate quickly towards indef if you do this again. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Extended to two weeks for immediate renewed block evasion with 77.242.26.57 (talk • contribs • info • WHOIS). Next time will be two months, then a year. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that you have to remove that one. I am in my job right now, and I do not have time to find another computer and edit things which I do not care about. The only articles which I edited was Saranda and the towns in southern Albania and Greece and about them should be a discussion, not just blocking me. Double standards should be stopped, but I cannot understand why I was blocked, when the edit-warr started in Komotini page, in which I did not revert anything, I just added information, which finally was not POV. nevermind...balkanian (talk) 12:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I checked again; it seems indeed the latest IP was somebody else (User:Dodona, as always), who happens to be on the same IP blocks. My apologies. I've reset to the original 1 week. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Look whats happend to Saranda page. There are reverted to references. The first is a reference from a study of SouthEuope organisation about the proportions of population and the second from Council of Europe which says that there was not any kind of discrimination. and they have added a reference about "albanisation", which is misquoted. Do you understand now, why I am suspended? Please see the last edition of Saranda made by me, and the current page and then you will understand what I am talking about. This is not what wikipedia was ment to be... this is greek nationalist version of wiki.balkanian (talk) 13:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

They have also removed the famous people section and an external link. After this I am banned, that`s really...fair. balkanian (talk) 13:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Why is my IP blocked for one day more? No explanation!!! balkanian (talk) 05:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

There are only tow reverts made by me look it carefully. You have no reason to block me. balkanian (talk) 08:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked, and comment about Sarandë

Well, first of all, I'm afraid you blatantly broke WP:3RR at Sarandë, so I have to block you (again). That said, about the contentious text, my impression is that neither your version nor Megistias' is particularly good. I would have hoped to see more serious efforts at condensing material into something truly neutral and encyclopedic from both sides, but I also have the impression that both you and Megistias are hampered in doing so by your less-than-perfect command of English. Not sure how I can help you with that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I want to insure you that English-knowledge is not the problem. The problem is that I am emotionally involved. I cannot stand watching some nationalists, writing irrelevant things about my hometown. Look carefully both versions and see which is more neutral. I admit that mine is neither, but that`s because, I know the reality, and the reality is that Greeks in Saranda (part of them my friends, part of them persons I know) are not ethnically deprived from anything, as my references say... balkanian (talk) 08:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

So, if you realise your own version isn't yet truly neutral, then I guess the best way to proceed is for you to make a new draft that is better? (You can post it here.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
You removed references,you misquoted them and you repeated this despite that being discussed.It took so much time for you to realize that it was the Albanian governments opinion of events which of course was unrealistic since the extreme measures against Greeks during the communist era are a historical fact.Megistias (talk) 08:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Megistias, your tone is not helping. As so often. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


No buddy, the only reference you had was da.mod.uk, and it is still in the page. You removed both references I got. On the other hand, your references are irrelevant. There aren`t mentioned neither Saranda, nor albanisation. By the way Καλλο Πάσχα balkanian (talk) 08:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No i had references which you removed and Saranda is part of Albania and thus they were relevant and Albanisation is a historical fact no matter how you want to deny it.No collaboration from your side obviously just denial of facts.Vickers and this fella are relevant
  • "Badlands-Borderland: A History of Southern Albania/Northern Epirus,ISBN-10: 0715632019,2003,T.J. Winnifrith,Page 138:"... the Orthodox Albanian-speakers who had not been expelled. On the other hand under Hoxha there were draconian measures to keep Greek-speakers loyal to Albania. Albanian rather then Greek history was taught in schools. ...".
  • Albania: From Anarchy to a Balkan IdentityISBN 1850652791,by Miranda Vickers & James Pettifer, 1999,page 190,"When ethnic Greeks were caught attempting to escape to Greece,penalties were severe for the actual offender execution was common and his whole family might be condemned in internal exile for many years usually in the mining camps of northern and central albania"
  • You are not cooperating and you even presented the lies of the Albanian government as if they were a fact.History of communism doesn't change from a report.Megistias (talk) 08:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry this is the best I have. I do not understand where is the problem about that. Today, Saranda's population is mostly ethnic Albanians with a minority of Greeks and Vlachs[8]. Albanians compose 88% of the total population of the town, and the Greeks and Vlachs 12%.[9]. According to a study conducted, there has been a discrimination of Greek minority in Saranda, till 1997 [10], but according to an albanian study presented to Council of Europe, Greek minority had the same rights as albanian population did.[11] balkanian (talk) 08:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Its Albanian report that reaches the realm of sci fi fantasy and stays there as it denys historical facts and rewrites the history of communism.Not discrimination..... but albanisation since before even communism.You removed quoted material.Megistias (talk) 08:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


Now lets start another conversation. Under Hoxha`s regime, everybody was executed, when was caught at the border (I can find a million references for that) and there is no albanisation, as long as they were aloud to be taught in their language (see your first reference) balkanian (talk) 09:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Read the references and don't assume i have n't.I dont have to repost them 1000 times just because you deny the facts.Megistias (talk) 09:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I didn`t ask you to repost them, I asked you to post the reference where is included the word albanisation and the one where is included the word Saranda. I don`t think that it is difficult to understand. balkanian (talk) 09:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

You follow the same tactic as you did on the article pages.The measures we in all of Albania so and Saranda is part of it.Albanisation is what happened in those people.Their ethnic charakter was changed to that of Albanians.Thats what it means.
  • I don`t think that it is difficult to understand, its actually 101Megistias (talk) 09:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

No it is not difficult, you assume "albanisation", your references do not include it. It is so simple. You wrotte: ...Vickers and this fella are relevant...Balkan IdentityISBN 1850652791,by Miranda Vickers & James Pettifer, 1999,page 190...

So, that`s what nationalists do, they don`t read their own sources...balkanian (talk)

  • "Badlands-Borderland: A History of Southern Albania/Northern Epirus,ISBN-10: 0715632019,2003,T.J. Winnifrith,Page 138:"... the Orthodox Albanian-speakers who had not been expelled. On the other hand under Hoxha there were draconian measures to keep Greek-speakers loyal to Albania. Albanian rather then Greek history was taught in schools. ...".
  • Thats Albanisation.You did not even read what the council of Europe posted in their site.Its a report(fantasy) from the Albanian goverment .Megistias (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Ups sorry, I forgot the title...but I did not forgot the essence. So in your opinion, albanisation is keeping Greeks loyal to Albania. Find a reference that this is the meaning of albanisation and I will accept it.balkanian (talk) 09:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I leave you to your own devices and denial.Megistias (talk) 09:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I edited discussion page of Saranda, I forgot that I was blocked. Sorry...balkanian (talk) 13:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Saranda

Please see my suggestions on the article's talk page. --Tsourkpk (talk) 22:05, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Korce

Nice try, but Le Monde Diplomatique is not "some journalistic map" (what does that even mean anyway?), but in fact a very prestigious publication with a rock-solid reputation for fact-checking. It is exactly the kind of source that meets WP:RS in contrast to your southeasterneurope.org website. Please stop removing all info about minorites in Albania. It is VERY nationalistic and tedious. --Tsourkpk (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edwin E. Jacques

Edwin E. Jacques has no scholarly value at all and is a questionable source full of fringe -and comical-theories.Refrain from using him directly or indirectly.Megistias (talk) 13:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] Your view!

Please give your view in [2] in :Albanian … and my case!.Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.247.17 (talk) 11:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)