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According to the Middle-earth article, Arda is an Elvish-language term. Pardon my ignorance, but is it Quenya or Sindarin? Or indeed both? -- Oliver P. 00:54 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

"Noncanon names" - it's rather POV, as the "canon" Silmarillion is what Christopher Tolkien chose to include. I think "Round World version" would be the better header name... Ausir 23:25, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Does the term Romenor appear in Tolkien's writing? I can't find it. This looks like another one of the roleplaying terms to me, and thus non-canon. Apologies in advance if it is an actual JRRT term (I'd appreciate a pointer to where the term can be found!). — Jor (Talk) 23:37, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No idea. It might be a MERP name, like Morenor. Ausir 23:38, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I suspect it is, as the only Googles for it are MERP material and Wikipedia copies. I don't have the index volume for the HoME series yet, but the name does not appear in the indices for IX–XII (where it would if it were part of the "Round World" bit), or in IV (Ambarkanta). — Jor (Talk) 23:43, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The identification of Aman with America seems silly, considering that Aman was supposed to have been physically separated from the rest of Arda when the latter was made round. — Gwalla | Talk 21:48, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The meaning of "Mediterranean" in latin is not similar to "Middle-earth" at all. In fact, it rather means "surrounded by lands" or "in the middle of lands". This should be corrected. Algamarga 13:11, 12 Sep 2005 (CEST)

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[edit] Vienna and Asia Minor

Tolkien stated that The Shire's geographic location roughly corresponded to the Midlands of England, while Minas Tirith in Gondor corresponded roughly to Vienna, putting Mount Doom and Mordor in the general region of Asia Minor.

To judge from Image:Middle-earth.jpg, Mount Doom is about 150 miles east-northeast of Minas Tirith. If Minas Tirith is about where Vienna is, then Mount Doom somewhere in Slovakia, not Asia Minor. Did Tolkien say Asia Minor, or is that someone else's interpretation? User:Angr 21:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

No that is all someone's extrapolation. What Tolkien actually wrote was, "If Hobbiton and Rivendell are taken (as intended) to be at about the latitude of Oxford, then Minas Tirith, 600 miles south, is at about the latitude of Florence. The Mouths of Anduin and the ancient city of Pelargir are at about the latitude of ancient Troy." - Letters #294
Note that he refers only to latitudes and does not equate the locations. The only possible 'direct correspondences' are England to Tol Eressea (in earlier texts) or the Shire (in later versions). --CBD 10:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Then I'm replacing the incorrect interpolation with what Tolkien actually said. User:Angr 11:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not so good with calculating exactly but I always assumed that Mordor was suppose to be modern day Turkey and Gondor could possibly be Greece. Tolkien was partly inspired by Christianity and it's history. So logically Mordor is the country Turkey and Gondor is most likely Greece. Anker99 00:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as Tolkien only refers to the latitudes that correspond with Earth, it seems he was trying to point out that the geogrpahy of middle-earth is inspired by, but not necessarily directily related to, the geography of Earth, or rather Europe. So, while we can try to draw conclusions, we can't assume that Tolkien wanted the geography of Middle-earth to directly reflect the geogrpahy of Europe.

[edit] Elves

The Sundering was only an IDEA, and if it IS true only Noldor are effected, since they were cursed. Valinor CALLS them, the Rings simply lost there powers.

[edit] Arda is in Ea... what are you thinking!

You are all CRAZY, Ared is a totally different Universe (Ea stupid) and besides where is Valinor? Do you see ANY Elves ANY were on Earth?!!!!!!!!!!!!, and if they are wraiths woundn't they're voices be heard istead of just phiscally fading?

[edit] juggled Ideas

I belive that arda isn't earth for three resons,

1.The idea was an idea and not necicerally published.

2.It would take the feeling of "escape" and "sancturary" away from the stories.

3.(After much study) he based it off the sagas of the norse cultiure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.222.186.6 (talk) 01:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)