Talk:Archipelago

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Don't you believe that English "archipelago" comes from Spanish "archipiélago", without taking into account the etymological aspects of the word?

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[edit] Southeast Asia confusion

There is no agreed-upon name for the islands between Indochina and Australia in Wikipedia. I was under the impression that they were called the East Indies or the Malay Archipelago, but check out those articles. Neither defines the name that way. Also, Indonesia is identified as the world's largest archipelago, but it isn't one. It's a country, and it doesn't hold sway over all the islands in the group; it even shares some with other countries.

I've entered it in the list as Southeast Asian Archipelago for now, until this can be straightened out. ———Kelisi 2005/2/8

———and I've now changed that to Malay Archipelago after deciding that the writer who wrote the stub with that name got it all wrong.———Kelisi 2005/2/8

[edit] Plagiarism?

Isn't it a shame that so much of Wikipedia's content seems to be not Wikipedians' own work, and not even syntheses of others' work compiled from various sources, but wholesale ripoffs from other websites? I've just found this:

http://pedia.nodeworks.com/A/AR/ARC/Archipelago

…which contains a list of archipelagoes remarkably similar to the one on this page. There can be no doubt that one has been copied from the other. Sorry for ranting, but I am an English teacher, and I've warned no end of students that this kind of thing can get them slung out of university. ———Kelisi 2005/2/9

Kelisi, the reason there can be no doubt that one is copied from the other is that they copied us. It says so at the bottom of the page you link to! They're reusing our content, which is perfectly legal under this site's license (the GFDL). See Wikipedia:Mirrors for more. Jwrosenzweig 21:06, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • I didn't mean that anyone should get the book thrown at them, even if they copied us, but you should know that I've turned up a couple of other sites which have done the same. Sorry to rant, as I say, but wholesale copying, even copying the original site's mistakes, has always suggested thoughtlessness to me. By the way, I have found many other examples of copying. Many of the articles here are copied straight from websites, which I doubt are using Wikipedia material. Once again, I see nothing wrong with compiling information from other sources, but it should be at least in the contributor's own words. ———Kelisi


    • Kelisi, please read the pages I have linked to -- I supplied them for a reason. Literally hundreds of sites reproduce our content and credit us, as the site you point to does. There is nothing wrong with this, as it is not a misrepresentation to offer someone content and credit the source. It may be "thoughtless" in one sense, but it is an intended consequence of the site's free license. If you do find that we are copying a site (and not the other way around), the page in question should be listed at Wikipedia:Copyright violations, as it would be a very serious thing for us to violate other sites' copyrights. I share a little frustration with the number of mirrors that reproduce our content, but perhaps you and I should simply take it as a sign that Wikipedia provides the best available free information on a wide variety of topics. Jwrosenzweig 21:56, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • Will do. I've noticed several, but which ones they are slips my mind just now. In future, I'll do as you suggest. ———Kelisi 2005/2/10


[edit] Manhattan, Staten Is., Liberty Is, Ellis Is., Wards/Randalls Is, Rikers Is, Long Is., Nantucket, et al

I think the above bunch of islands, which can be found off the New England and New Jersey shores, constitute an archipelago. Unfortunately, I have no idea if anyone's ever called this island chain a name (the closest that I can think of: Ronkonkoma Moraine and/or "New York island"- yes, in the singular, from the song "This is Your Land, This is My Land"). Of course, we could call them the New York Islands, but this would constitute Original Research which is Forbidden in the Wikipedia realm. Any good suggestions out there? — Rickyrab | Talk 05:54, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

  • Add Block Island and Martha's Vineyard to this archipelago as well; these islands were also the fault of the same glacier that caused Long Island to form. — Rickyrab | Talk 05:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
  • At least one website mentions a name of this island chain being "the Paumonok Islands". Intriguing. — Rickyrab | Talk 17:34, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
    • That name is rare, apparently, when applied to the island chain, but a Googlin' turned up numerous references to Long Island being known as "Paumanok" (as well as some of the businesses on said island). — Rickyrab | Talk 17:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
If anyone is still wondering, I've come up with something that about halfway meets this at Outer Lands.--Pharos 20:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current listing: alphabetical and hierarchical

Here is just a quick note on how I had previously reorganized this list (User:Kelisi, you thought it was "for no apparent reason"). The list was previously essentially alphabetical, but with certain island groups sorted under a larger group that they are a part of. This has been rearranged in a hierarchical and alphabetical manner so that all sub-groups sort under the parent group (unless I missed some). Of course, different categorizations (e.g. sorting them geographically, by body of water) could also be defensible. In addition, I have reinserted antiquated or otherwise alternative names as a matter of trivia and also as per WP naming convetions, thus following the advice given by you yourself (Kelisi), namely that "you are supposed to expand articles, not shrink them". //Big Adamsky 20:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Milos Archipelago

What about the Milos Archipelago in the Aegean Sea? I believe this refers to the island of Milos and those around it. If so, it might be interesting to add to this list. --Jwinius 23:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] principally refers to the Aegean Sea

This sentence is in the lead paragraph. I don't think it is correct. In the newspaper to day there is reference to the British Isles archipelago as indeed the Wp article does. I should like to take it out. Any thoughts, please? BlueValour 23:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

In the absence of any objection I have removed this phrase. BlueValour 17:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi; please see Talk:Aegean Sea#Archipelago or sea?. Psychlopaedist 02:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Nice research; I'm very happy with your addition. BlueValour 03:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Great -- thanks! Psychlopaedist 03:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template

I recently created an infobox to incorporate into the island articles in the Scottish archipelagoes of The Hebrides, Orkney and Shetland called Template:Infobox Scottish island. I don't know how much cross archipelago collaboration there is, but it occurred to me that there might be case for a general archipelago template. If there is any interest I'd be happy to help design one. Ben MacDui (Talk) 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] United Kingdom

Is there a reference for the UK being an "archipelago state"? If the archipelago is formed formed from Britain, the Outer Hebrides, Orkney, Shetland, then sure, but without all of Ireland the wider archipelagical (is that a word?) context is disrupted. As a test, is Great Britain, as opposed to simply Britain, considered an archipelago? --sony-youthpléigh 08:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, the word is 'archipelagic'.

I'm wondering this too. It's potentially quite important, because it affects the drawing of baselines under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Article 46 says:

For the purposes of this Convention: (a) "archipelagic State" means a State constituted wholly by one or more archipelagos and may include other islands; (b) "archipelago" means a group of islands, including parts of islands, interconnecting waters and other natural features which are so closely interrelated that such islands, waters and other natural features form an intrinsic geographical, economic and political entity, or which historically have been regarded as such.

The British Isles are without question a group of islands, including parts of islands, interconnecting waters and other natural features which are so closely interrelated that such islands, waters and other natural features form an intrinsic geographical, economic and political entity, or which historically have been regarded as such. However, it's not clear if the fact that the Republic of Ireland is part of the British Isles but not the UK matters (but note that the existence of Papua New Guinea doesn't stop Indonesia being an archipelagic state). There's also the question of parts of the UK that aren't part of the British Isles, such as Gibraltar, the Falklands, the Channel Islands, etc. I think those are all formally overseas possessions, rather than being part of the mother state, and so might not count. I certainly don't think we're going to get away with drawing a baseline from the Isle of Man to Steeple Jason Island, though!

Jamaica is apparently an archipelagic state under the UNCLOS.

-- Tom Anderson 288-01-11 17:14 +0000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.81.216 (talk) 17:15, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Gibraltar, the Falklands and the Channel Islands are neither part of the British Isles nor part of the UK. The Isle of Man is part of the British Isles but not part of the UK. 62.189.189.132 (talk) 10:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've substituted the UK for New Zealand in the list of four. The UK includes many islands--even if we leave Man and the Channel Islands off the list; it's territory includes all of Great Britain, part of Ireland, the Isle of Wight, etc, etc. Tb (talk) 13:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology needs correcting

This statement -- "In antiquity, the Archipelago (Greek: Αρхιπέλαγος) was the proper name for the Aegean Sea" -- is incorrect. There was no such word in ancient Greek -- it appears first in medieval Italian. Please correct this in line with Oxford English Dictionary's etymological note under "archipelago."

[edit] New Zealand / Modern??

in the article it mentions the "four largest 'modern' states that are mainly archipelagos" although New Zealand is not mentioned here, granted it is not the largest, but it is also a developed nation, and far more modern by first-world standards that the philipines or indonesia that is even stated on wikipedia, i propose one of 2 things, a) split the 2 into new groups, mordern and largest or b) scrap the entire paragraph. Taifarious1 05:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)