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[edit] Screencap Removal

I removed the screencap of the Brushed Metal skin (which is already on the Brushed Metal article). This article is about Aqua. It's really confusing for readers who never seen either skins when they see there are two screencaps on top of each other, especially when the non-topical Brushed Metal is on top of the topical Aqua screencap. For comparison, one should just click on Brushed Metal. And I note, in Brushed Metal article, there's only the Brushed Metal screencap, no Aqua. So why would the Aqua article have both? Not very balanced. --Menchi 00:05, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Windows Aero

Some of the folks at Windows Vista and Windows Aero are consistently removing commentary about the similarity of Vista/Aero to OS X/Aqua. Any help there would be appreciated. -- Gnetwerker 20:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I know, and really feel sick at some of those comments. But why is "Windows Aero" under See Also when it isn't even mentioned in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Semicolons (talk • contribs) 10:53, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] System 7

Should some mention be made that the theme is more similiar to the System 7 window style than Mac OS 8's platinum? -- Steven Fisher 20:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, there'd need to be a general concensus that this is the case, and furthermore why is this really significant? Brianreading 08:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

System 7 used primarily black-on-white with blue accents. Platinum used a lower-contrast black-on-grey interface, and there was much complaint. Aqua went back to the System 7 ideas, and there was more complaint. Then Brushed Metal brought back a lot of the Platinum ideas (albeit with higher contrast), and there was still more complaint. I think it's pretty obvious comparing the four themes which interface inspires which. As to significance, that's why I didn't add it. The evolution of the interfaces is interesting in itself, but trying to ascribe motives to it is probably speculation or original research. The contrast point, at least, seems salvageable. Anyway, I asked because I'm not sure, so any feedback is welcome. :) -- Steven Fisher 17:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

aqua is more system 6 than system 7 imo. coincidentally, system 7 was the first major revision of the mac operating system apple undertook without steve jobs in charge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New screenshot

I added the new screenshot instead of the screenshot of Xcode because I thought it gave a better idea of what the widgets looked like. It has the same license and and image format... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.118.198.115 (talk) 00:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Looks good! This is a fine representation of the component parts of the Aqua user interface. -/- Warren 01:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I have to disagree. It's awesome that all of the widgets are in there, but it's a brushed metal window, not an Aqua window. Could you put up a version with a normal window? Shinyplasticbag 03:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe consider replacing the IB 2.5 window at the top with a similar screenshot of Aqua controls from Leopard? It would make sense to have the main image as the most up to date one, and some fairly significant changes have happened. Round rect buttons, square buttons, etc. Semicolons (talk) 07:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Would be better, or does it need to be changed before it can be used? Image:AquaControls.pngSemicolons (talk) 10:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In the "Animation" section

It talks about how the duck brings in the windows, and mentions an effect called the "Suck Effect." While this technically exists (I use it), it is not accessible directly. It has to be activated by third party software. For this reason, I have removed it. Objections? - nyeguy 03:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

:Nope.21:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't really have to be activated by third party software; defaults can be used in the Terminal to set it. I think it should be included, with a mention that it's undocumented. Falling Cloud 16:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, Control and Shift does not do "super slow-motion" in Leopard. I am removing the section. onekopaka (talk) 04:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Control+shift *does* do super slow minimize on my computer – Intel/10.5.2 with Graphics Update. Compare shift-click of the yellow button with shift-control click of the yellow button. Semicolons (talk) 09:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Leopard isn't Aqua

The screenshot of Leopard at the top does not belong on this page, as Leopard's interface is not Aqua, but "Unified". The best screenshot to include here would be one of 10.0 or 10.1, because they were entirely Aqua (I.E no brushed metal or other textures.) --Adam Fisher-Cox (criticize or compliment) 00:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I am reverting it to a bigger version, because You can't really see the Aqua in the tiny version, and as Aqua is the focus of the article, I dont think anyone should have to click the picture to see the article topic illustrated.--Adam Fisher-Cox (criticize or compliment) 20:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I read here [1] that Leopard's theme might be called "Illuminous." But I think it's just a rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolkid602006 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Leopard is Aqua! Aqua is defined as the official GUI of Mac OS X, and thus the only appropriate Aqua screenshot would be of Mac OS X 10.5. Simply modifying aspects of the GUI in a new OS which brings about a nickname "Illuminous" doesn't change the fact that Leopard's GUI is officially called "Aqua". Aqua is named after the blue glass scrollbars and buttons still found in Leopard, but the only requirement is for "Aqua applications [to] incorporate color, depth, translucence, and complex textures into a visually appealing interface." See this document and this document from the official Apple developer documentation. By the way, searching for "Illuminous" in their documentation doesn't bring up any mention of GUI. "Unified" refers only to the style of a gradient, or "unified" color in program titlebars, found in both Tiger and Leopard, though this name only refers to the titlebar and not the GUI (reference). This information should be included in the article (can one of the main authors incorporate it please?) and the references should dispel any incorrect notions. Althepal 03:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Forget "Illuminous", that was a rumour and doesn't appear anywhere in the operating system or Apple's website.
About the Leopard screenshot being the only acceptable screenshot. Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense. The GUI in Tiger is no longer aqua? Or the GUI in the Public Beta? AlistairMcMillan 13:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Apple still uses the phrase "Aqua" to describe the user interface of Mac OS X in a number of places in its developer documentation. All these documents use the term in that way, and were updated sometime after Leopard was announced and released: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] – Mipadi 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

@AlistairMcMillan: That's like asking if the different versions of the "x" logo from various versions of Mac OS X are no longer their logo. Yes, they are all their logo, but you want to use the one that is officially and currently being used. So to with Aqua: the GUI from older versions of Mac OS X are still called Aqua, but the current official version of Aqua is found only in Leopard. It is improper to use an outdated version of Aqua as the main screenshot. As to "deemphasizing the word "Aqua" with Leopard", this is a misconception. "Aqua" doesn't refer to blue wallpaper or a pinstripe menubar, even though the name may have had something do to with this (and buttons still used in Leopard), it officially is defined as the entire Mac OS X GUI, the current version of which is ONLY found in Leopard, even if the screenshot shows 'no blue glass (because the blue glass doesn't define the "Aqua" GUI). I do not wish to revert a third time. I am asking for someone else to recognize the logic and sources I used and correct the article them self. Perhaps an older version, even the beta, of Aqua could be shown somewhere in the article for historical purpose, but not as the main one. Althepal 23:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, I wasn't aware of this, but Apple seem to have stripped the word Aqua from every part of their non-developer webpages. For example: per-Leopard release we have "This article shows you how get around the Mac's Aqua interface..." [7] and now we have "This article shows you how get around the Mac's interface..."[8]

Anyway there is no point having the one damn screenshot on every bloody article. Having a screenshot at the top of the article that shows what Aqua looked like when it was originally introduced, is just frankly more interesting. AlistairMcMillan 01:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Alistair, it's simply incorrect. Just because it says "the Mac's interface" doesn't refute the fact that the Aqua GUI is defined as the Mac OS X GUI, which is currently in Leopard. I suggest that a screenshot of the public beta or version 10.0 be included somewhere in the article for historical significance and interest, but the primary screenshot has to be of the current Aqua GUI. If you don't like that the same screenshot is used in multiple articles, I suggest you take a screenshot yourself of Leopard, perhaps with a scroll bar and some blue buttons if you want. After you do that, it can be the primary picture for this article, but until then it is still most correct to have the Leopard screenshot as the main one. You know what? I'm going to put the Public Beta, Panther, and Leopard screenshots for the sake of interest and history of transition. You can always make a better or different Leopard screenshot later. Edit: Actually, I have another idea... Check the article in a few minutes. I think it will be suitable. Althepal 03:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, now I think the article is suitable so that everyone can live with it. Again, if you think you can make a more suitable Leopard screenshot for the article, that's fine. Althepal 04:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Leopard Menu Bar Icons.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Pages Sheet.png

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Dashboard Ripple.png

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[edit] Dock?

I always thought the Dock was part of OS X, not Aqua – it's an application, not an object/class. Semicolons (talk) 07:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sidebar?

To me, Sidebar suggests a tool palette at the side of a window – the "sidebars" are actually just source lists, a type of table. It is still very rare to find controls in the sidebar.Semicolons (talk) 07:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cocoa controls

Several things to change:

  • Sheets can be NSPanel as well as NSWindow.
  • NSToolbar – Unified parameter is only effective in Tiger
  • Menus -mention NSMenu and NSMenuItem?
  • Keyboard shortcuts can also appear on non-application menus, but can only be used with third-party software.
  • NSDatePicker has a graphical style
  • Mention that some control styles (such as bevel buttons) are discouraged by Apple due to interface changes?
  • Rewrite bit on sliders – circular ones can have tick marks, linear ones can be vertical and horizontal and have tick marks on either side.
  • Drag and drop in colour wells?
  • You can turn of bouncing icons for application launching, but there's still animation – the blue light pulsates.
  • Suck is most commonly enabled with the Terminal's "defaults" command – hardly "hand-editing" a configuration file.
  • Surely "Suck" is just the name given to it by the Mac community? If it's undocumented, how do we know what it's called?
  • Front Row animation gone in Leopard :(
  • Animation: Most Finder windows have this zoom effect – from Quick Look to Get Info.
  • "Metal, Unified, or Leopard" – no, sheets can come out of all windows. It is also better to talk about "textured", not "metal" – Metal windows in Leopard are still Textured, but in a very different way.
  • "Many of these effects can be turned off by the user" – how, exactly?
  • How about a word on NSPanel (HUD or otherwise), NSScrollView, NSDrawer, NSRuleEditor, NSPredicateEditor, NSStepper,NSSearchField,NSSegmentedControl, NSPathControl, NSLevelIndicator, NSProgressIndicator, NSSplitView, and anything else that should go in a list of "all Cocoa interface elements".
  • A word on boxes being able to draw lines?

Semicolons (talk) 10:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)