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April 19: Passover begins at sunset (Judaism, 2008); Feast of Saint Alphege (Western Christianity);

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[edit] Genya Ravan

Listed here, but pending an article. Rklawton 01:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Not anymore, but that's what redlinks are for -- hinting that an article is needed. --Dhartung | Talk 23:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zola Levitt

May I ask why Zola Levitt's death on April 19th 2006 was taken off? Colonel Marksman 23:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Probably because some Nimrod didn't link his name to his article, and some other Nimrod didn't check before removing it. Rklawton 23:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Nimrod was a might hunter, but that's besides the point. You removed a guy who died on this date and who has an article here in Wikipedia, and you left no edit summary. What removal criteria did he meet? Rklawton 01:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bay of Pigs

Whoever keeps re-writing the April 19 entry for "Bay of Pigs" has an indefensible position: that of the invasion being a failure. The fact is that the "defense" against the invasion was a success. The Bay of Pigs entry should reflect the success of the repelling of the attack, rather than the attack being a "failure". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Horse Badorties (talk • contribs) 02:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

I received this message:

Please stop changing the Bay of Pigs entry. Its obvious that whenever an invasion fails, the invaders are the ones who lost. Insinuating that Cubans won an invasion is POV pushing. Gdo01 02:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


The problem is that describing the "invasion" as such leads us to viewing it only as a success or failure from the POV of the invaders. It's almost as if the efforts of the Cubans to defend themselves is irrelevant.

I think it's better to present the invasion as the illegal act that it was, and present it as a successful repelling of an illegal invasion, which is exactly what it was, sans POV.

It really has to do with the machinations of the link. Bay of Pigs invasion is an event with an article, Bay of Pigs defense isn't, while Bay of Pigs defense has no link to an article other than the location which in turn has a link to Bay of Pigs invasion. Gdo01 03:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
It's not necessary that every word or phrase refer to another Wikipedia article. Therefore, the defense against the attack at the Bay of Pigs need not refer to a Bay of Pigs Defense article. I think the thing to keep in mind is that the attack was illegal, and that the defense was a success. The fact that there is no Bay of Pigs Defense article has more to do with the lack of access of Cubans to Wikipedia than anything else. Horse Badorties 03:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Horse Badorties

[edit] Dickie Goodman born twice

Novelty songwriter Dickie Goodman appears to have been born twice - once in 1932, and again in 1934! Mark Sublette (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC). Incidentally, the reason I was checking this page is because I, too, was born this date. Mark Sublette (talk) 10:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Mark Sublette

[edit] Car crash in Spain

This event does not rise to the level of global notability. I can see no reason that this event would have any impact outside of Spain and why anyone outside of Spain would be interested in this event from a historical perspective. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 18:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Málaga coach crash

I still think the Málaga coach crash is notable. It is the worst traffic accident in Spain in seven years. The reason stated is "car crash in Spain is not really notable". Does a car crash killing nine people and injuring 38 have to happen in the USA to be "globally notable"? I just got back home from the local pub, and there I read the latest issue of Iltalehti, which had devoted over ten pages solely to this event! And you claim Wikipedia should just ignore it? JIP | Talk 19:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I just glanced through the category Category:Road accidents in the United States. There were three accidents with fewer deaths than this one: one with seven, one with four and one apparently with only one (at least I did not see a mention of anyone else getting killed). So why is an accident killing nine people and injuring 38 so non-notable? You have claimed it is not notable outside Spain. As I have just demonstrated, it is one of the most important current news in Finland, which is outside Spain. I have not had access to the Spanish press, but I can think they have covered it extensively as well. JIP | Talk 19:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
(Edit Conflict) - The worst crash in seven years is not the worst ever. The worst ever might belong here. "Does a car crash killing nine people and injuring 38 have to happen in the USA to be "globally notable"?" Absolutely not. It might be newsworthy, but not globally notable. Please have a look at WP:DOY. I am not familiar with Iltalehti, but the first line of the article on it says that it is a tabloid newspaper and they are usually looking for stories to fill their pages. If the event involved some prominent figure or was especially scandalous or changed the way buses operate, then it might be notable. Perhaps if the article on the subject was supported by some sources outside of Europe (and in English - considering this is the English WIkipedia), it might help. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Are any of the three accidents with fewer deaths mentioned on date articles. Probably not. Newsworthy does not mean globally notable. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 19:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
It's only been two days since the crash. There has been not enough time for Spain to react by changing their laws. Iltalehti is not as reputable as Helsinki's main newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, but is still one of the most read newspapers in Finland. And if you want an article about the crash in Helsingin Sanomat, Helsinki's most respected and Finland's most read newspaper, here is one. And why does there have to be coverage outside Europe? Was there coverage of the three accidents I mentioned outside the United States? And if you read the article I translated this evening, you can see that the very first reference is in English. It might only be from the UK (the birthplace of the English language), so it might not be good enough. JIP | Talk 19:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Before we go too far, I think we are mixing apples and oranges. I will concede that the event is notable enough for an article. So we can move beyond that. But it needs to be globally notable for inclusion in this list. If the event is not prominently covered in sources outside of Europe, it can't be globally notable. I'm sure it will be mentioned in outside sources, but will it have an impact outside of Europe? Will it be memorialized outside of Europe? The jury is still out on that. I am worried that you unfairly perceive a bias because I am American. This is unfair and insulting. I invite you to check my track record. I am equally critical of American events. -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 20:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, I have to apologise for calling you biased. Other users are still adding non-notability tags to the article, but I have removed them, because I think the incident is notable enough. By the way, I found an English language Wikinews article about this: wikinews:Bus crash in Spain leaves 9 Finnish tourists dead, written by an American 14-year-old boy only a few hours after the incident happened. JIP | Talk 04:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Mufka about this. I fail to see how it has global notability. Carl.bunderson (talk) 03:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)