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[edit] Band members

Nicknames of band members - Isn't that pretty trivial?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.77.214.41 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 14 December 2004 (UTC).

It is, and it looks like someone just found this page and played a bit around with it. But since I am no spoilsport I'll just moved it down into a trivia section, instead of deleting it all. I put quite some work into this article and try to keep it clean for new people to easy get the facts. But with the pushing for Bittersweet there will be teenie-boobers turning up and try to put cute stuff in.Anxa 03:09, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
In fan circles the members of the band often are referred with the following nicknames:
Eicca: Mr. Tease, The Farmer, Mr. Tractor, Barbie Face, Eicca-Barbie
Paavo: The Incredible Paavo, The Uncrunchable One, Mr. Green
Perttu: Mr. Pee, Pretty Pouty Perttu, Pera, Pertsa, Perttu-Elessar, The Beast, Mr. Exclamation Mark, The Fainty One, Rainbow Perttu, Perttula, Perttichou, Petty
Antero: Mr.Megaco^ol, O^O, The Baron of Pukkila, Mr. Freeze, The Cod, Mystery Manninen
Max: The Troll, Mr. Techno
Moved here, could be of use later? Dryzen
I was wondering when Apocalyptica became 3 people. I saw them less than 4 months ago now, and they were 4 then. --Driken 02:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
They turned three people a while ago, prior to Reflections if I'm not mistaken. Since most of there earlier pieces where written with 4 cellos in mind, they call back Antero Manninen for the concerts.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dryzen (talk • contribs) 06:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC).

Ok, so the music is for three, but the concerts are with four. Got it, thanks! --Driken 19:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps this should be mentioned in the article, because without knowing this, is seems rather contradictory. "band consisting of three (formerly four)", "is now officialy the fourth member" Lovok 13:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
It does mention it, albeit not all in the same paragraph: Apocalyptica is a Finnish band consisting of three (formerly four) classically-trained cellists and (since 2003) a drummer. In 1999, Antero Manninen left the band, being replaced by Perttu Kivilaakso. In 2002, Max Lilja also left, leaving Apocalyptica with three. Mikko Sirén filled this position and is now officialy the fourth member of Apocalyptica. During concerts, Antero occasionally comes back to support the group.Dryzen 17:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
On most of the band pages I see,the band members have thier own articles,i think the Apocalyptica members need that too.The Pink Panther 05:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I think there should be pictures of the faces of each member of the band to make it easier for people who are unfamiliar with the group to know who is who (while watching videos and such). The picture of Perttu, for instance, while pretty cool, does not make it much easier to differentiate between him and, say, Eicca.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.177.204.52 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
During concerts, Antero occasionally comes back to support the group. -- Is this accurate? I thought Antero pretty much always plays their concerts. Gueneverey 01:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree but that is easier said than done because all images uploaded to Wikipedia must either be used under a free license or used under an acceptable fair use rationale. If you have an image that you created yourself with your camera please upload it, but don't add images that you got from other websites because those will probably get deleted. --Leon Sword 03:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any photos that would work (that's why I didn't just edit the page myself)--surely someone around here does have some fitting photos?67.177.204.52 23:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Wikimedia Commons has pictures of Perttu, Eicca, and Paavo. They should all probably go on, but all I did was replace the picture of Perttu with the more recent (better IMO) picture. If no one objects, someone should add the other pictures. FalseLobster 02:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I know Apocalyptica only have 3 official cello players but the band isn't really a "trio" as described in the article. This really seems to sideline the drummer who is an official member. Darrkwings (talk) 11:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Biography

Replaced the Trivia with a much more useful Band Biography.Wildespace 03 April 2005

I removed the band biography. Writing is considered to be copyrighted even if it doesn't say so, and that includes web pages. Permission must be obtained from the owner of the material before it can be used in Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Copyrights. If permission is granted the biography will need some editing to remove POV. --Beirne 13:14, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
I wrote the biography, LOL, so I'm the copyright owner! What's POV? -- Wildespace 03 April 2005
OK, that point wasn't obvious. Citing the source was good, you should just mention something about you being the actual author of the material. [1]. POV is Point Of View. One of the goals of Wikipedia is to have a Neutral Point of View. The biography is well written and is full of facts, but it is written to promote the group, as it should be for the Apocalyptica page. Phrases like "unleashing heavy cello thunder upon the unsuspecting world", "from the bombastic opener 'Path' to the mesmerising 'Coma'" and "The drumming for five of the tracks was done by no other than the legendary Slayer drummer Dave Lombardo." are good for promoting the band but display too much bias toward the band for an encyclopedia article. I don't necessarily disagree with the points but the biography will need to be made a bit more neutral. I do agree, though, that the biography is a lot better than the trivia section. --Beirne 20:14, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
Wildespace, can you repost the biography reducing as much POV as you feel you have the time (or just post it) and then other users such as Beirne can edit it to remove the POV if they don't like it. (Generally editing I think is better than removing anyways.) -- Graniterock 03:51, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

Nah, I'll leave you stuck with a dodgy Trivia :o) -- Wildespace 17 May 2005

Those POV judgments of Apocalyptica were pretty pompous. Let's keep opinions out of this.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.211.234.229 (talk • contribs) 09:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC).
Hello. I just added the second Band Max is a member of. Hope you don´t mind :) Nice greetings, Mandy —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Malyho (talk • contribs) 18:23, 5 November 2005 (UTC).
This article needs to be copy-edited badly. 69.194.223.147 02:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaborations

Greetings fellow fans of Apocalyptica. I'dd like to present the formalisation of Collaborations. What I mean by this is that more than a few of there great meldings are not foudn on Apocalyptica Cds but rather ther collaborator's. Exemple Apocalyptica collaborated on a special version of Rammstein's Benzin. What I suggest is that as we discover these unique pieces and that we post them near the collaborators names. Therfore giving fellow fans enligntement regarding wich album or single they should be looking for. I hope to receive some collaboration in this endevour. Thank you for your time.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dryzen (talk • contribs) 05:47, 3 February 2006.

Hello, 201.102.173.38, and welcome to Wikipedia! Please help other Apocalyptica fans find non-Apocalyptica released songs/collaborations. You can help by posting wich tracks/CDs Apocalyptica collaborated on. For exemple they collaborated with Rammstein on Benzin (the single). Thank you for your help, Dryzen 14:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh man, I have just put lots of colaborations, you missed alot of them, if you want to know something more of Apo ask me. Damage, Inc.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.102.179.67 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Template

Here's a template for your User box if you a big fan of Apocalyptica

Template:User apocalyptica

Dryzen 17:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Audio clip

I added a short clip of Apocalyptica playing Missconstruction. Feel free to add some more audio clips. The Impaler

Good workThe Impaler, its a shame that the format can not be read by my media player. Hopefully this will only be a hinderance to a minoraty of readers.Dryzen 18:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I apologize Dryzen, but that was the only format WikiPedia would accept. It's an open-ended format called Ogg Vorbis, you can find the codec here: http://www.vorbis.com/setup_windows/ after you install the codec you'll be able to listen to it on most media players. The Impaler
I'm all for putting in a sample clip, but I don't know whether this is legal. I'd like to see some better fair use rationale. -Phi*n!x 01:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DVDs

What do you think should be done with the DVD section concerning : Reflections (2003) (Bonus to the Reflections Revised Album)?

  • It is a DVD.
  • It is part of an album.

An important definition to be made is, whas are the criterias to be admited into the DVD section? Until now, it is my belief that any and all DVDs should be mentionned within this section. DVDs as part of albums though should still be mentionned as such to reduce confusion and indicate that it is not a stand alone product. What are your thoughts? Dryzen 19:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I would say we should leave it in, as it is on a second disc, and people can choose if they want it or not.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.2.124.254 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC).

[edit] External links

Do we really need to list every fanpage that is out there?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.2.124.254 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC).

I guess the main defence here would be "Why not?". Personnaly I find it rather long, but some of them are more up to date on current Apocalyptica doing thant the main site. Also this article is acting as a nexus of information on Apocalyptica, therefore I think that the fansites constitute a warranted set of information on the group. In short, I say we keep them, but I am open to weening out some of the lesser sites among them sould something have to be done. Dryzen 14:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a growing return to posting Unofficial websites, should we keep the original thought of remouving them or post them up again?--Dryzen 15:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Covered bands and composers

Proposition to rename 'Covered bands and composers' to 'Covered Artists'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LAUBO (talk • contribs) 15:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC).

It'd be "Covered artists" (lowercase a), but I think "Covered bands and composers" fits the inclusion of Grieg better, or (if it's the "bands" at issue), "Covered artists and composers" would do. Or take Grieg out of the list... -- JHunterJ 19:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Support the move to keep the title short, A composer is an artist... and should definitly stay in the lsit. --Dryzen 20:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't think a composer is an artist in the sense typically used for "covered artists", that of a musical performer. If someone performs music that someone else composed, it's not necessarily a "cover"... -- JHunterJ 20:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Both good points, but in the intrest of simplicity and conformatiy ot other music band articles, I am willing to forgo semantics. Well soon find out should the change even occure.--Dryzen 20:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Why wait? This is just an edit, not a proposal for deletion. I did the WP:BOLD thing. Artists is short, added a quick parenthetical to Grieg for perfect clarity. :-). If someone wants to revert it, we can continue this discussion. -- JHunterJ 20:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me.--Dryzen 13:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Covered songs

Tool was not covered by Apocalyptica but by Vitamin's String tribute albums: Third Eye Open and Metamorphic. Should you know of (or beleive there is) a Tool song played by Apocalyptica please post a reference. Dryzen 18:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I believe Apocalyptica covered "Schism" by Tool, I have that song on my iPod by them, I could send it to someone as proof. Here's a link [2] & [3], I know that that is not a good reference but they DID cover the song.The Impaler
Thanks for the sites, but I am affraid you have been fooled, the same as I was when I first landed on this piece some time ago. Like I posted above Vitamin's String tribute albums: Third Eye Open and Metamorphic(album) did cover Tool. These string tributes are often mistaken for Apocalyptica and mislabeled as such. You can find Richard Dodd, Piotr Jandula and Eric Gorfain's Schism here, as well as Vitamin's other tributes. Apocalyptica may have done a Tool tribute, but these songs are not it. Dryzen 21:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I reverted a set of changes that expanded the covered artists section into this list of covered songs:
Hall Of The Mountain King
From Out OF Nowhere
Creeping Death
Enter Sandman
Fade To Black
Fight Fire With Fire
For Whom The Bell Tolls
Harvester Of Sorrow
Master Of Puppets
My Friend Of Misery
Nothing Else Matters
One
Sad But True
Seek & Destroy
The Unforgiven
Until It Sleeps
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Wherever I May Roam
Domination
Seemann (with Nina Haggen)
Death Blooms
Inquisition Symphony
Refuse/Resist
Angel Of Death
Mantadory Siuicide
South Of Heaven
Schism
Sober
I think it's too long to be included, but it's also not well-formatted (in case discussion here leads to its return, the capitalization should be fixed, and the song titles quoted). -- JHunterJ 12:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Intersting to have, certainly for those that dont know the originals or the covered groups. Our talk page is filled with trivia and indepth information, plus the not so importnat or verified. Yet we have it. Again, though, Tool was not covered by Apocalyptica.--Dryzen 14:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

If its false information why keep it?--Dryzen 15:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a talk page; editors are allowed to be mistaken, and their mistakes can be pointed out, but (using this instance as an example) deleting the Tool section from the list while adding "Again, though, Tool was not covered" can lead to confusion for subsequent readers: "Why's this editor talking about Tool not being covered? They aren't even in the list..." See also WP:TALK#Basic rules for all talk pages. -- JHunterJ 15:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
If they read my comment then they would be looking in the history and my remouval, therefore rendered aware. Up above is the Tool information.--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dryzen (talk • contribs) 11:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC).
You are mistaken. Your comment "Again, though, Tool was not covered by Apocalyptica." is on this page, not in the history. But in any event "Do not edit other user's comments" is clear enough, regardless of the degree of their rendered awareness. -- JHunterJ 20:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Oops, noticed that.. hmm thought I had taken it out and pasted in Summery. I will delete user's comments on discussions if they are vadalism. This was a special case and in my history of being a wikieditor, the first, considering this came from the main article I would of pasted without Tool. I wonder if people with get the strikes. You seem to take as much interest in this page as I, Apo fan?--Dryzen 20:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Where could we find this cover of Mudvayne? Its not on any of Apocalyptica's disks.--Dryzen 14:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Mudvayne cover is like Tool's... (unexistent).--The Impaler
I have added the list of covered songs to Covered Artists. --Gstuk

[edit] Genre

Hi. I'm not sure that Cello Rock is the right genre to post for this group. While Cello Rock is an established genre, and Cello Metal is not,Apocalyptica's music is generally a cover of Metal bands or follows Metal format.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.126.163.20 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC).

For the moment Cello Rock fits the descriptor most, as the band itself has often alluded to Rock in there past self description, even if their pieces would be at home in the metal genre.--Dryzen 16:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay. Then the second sentence of their wikipedia entry probably should not be "Their speciality is heavy metal music played on cellos"—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.126.163.20 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC).
that is definitly true, although they do play Metal on cellos more than rock, but the category of music is considered Cello Rock. I dont make this up. :oP Recently Apocalyptica has updated their bio page and have taken out the reference to rock on cellos. Overall there music isn't easily classifiable therefore they fall into the only cello based category that can be currently found, Cello rock. --Dryzen 19:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Why noboby can understand Apocalyptica are Cello metal, not Cello rock because they call their genre to metal not rock. Apocalyptica are metal band —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.112.15.197 (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC).

On there original (2004 when I first checked) biography from their homepage they called themselves Cello Rock. As well, currently no genre is known as Cello metal but cello rock is spreading even should the groups and artist be playing metal or otherwise.--Dryzen 18:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

If you listen to Apocalyptica, you can clearly hear their music is rock. Also, the band continuously refer to their genre as rock, like Dryzen said. LAUBO 12:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


Hmmm and your so sure becuse....?--Dryzen 13:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

hey as i've been watching the repressed video from apocalyptica , i know matt tuck sings it.. but who's the guy in the video? it's not him for sure so i wanna know who it is == Music Videos and Guest List ==

Hello,

I feel the music video list is quite useless and inappropriate for this article and would like to see it deleted. The guest list is very messy and looks terrible, this needs cleaning up.

Then the sentence about the EuroSongFestival should also be removed i think, as Apocalyptica has done so many thing/concerts that it's strange to put this one in particular in the article. You simply cant and shouldnt try to make a whole list of every place Apocalyptica has been.

Thanks,

LAUBO 10:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I concure that a list of music videos is not worth compiling. The guest list is to stay but indeed it needs some attention, the hardest is validating. No need for the EuroSong show up, like LAUBO: why should it an not any other concerts be presented? Secondly, listing all the concerts and appearences probobly shouldn't be listed as well.--Dryzen 14:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest that the Eurovision Song Contest 2007 article would be the correct place to mention Apocalyptica's performance. At the moment it only links to this article as the interval act in the info. box. Does anyone know which songs they played? Thanks.  — Lee J Haywood 10:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eurovision 2007

I recall them perfoming in Eurovision as a sepereate act while the votes where being counted and verified, could someone tell me what song they wer playing? ~~Neo 2.3 Hylan 13:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


They played a mix of worlds collide, faraway and life burns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.183.199.120 (talk) 19:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name change

What's the need to have Apocalyptica be a disambiguation page for the band and an obscure single by that band? I've seen no other band article where there is a disambiguation page for the band and a self-titled album. -Phi*n!x 03:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Apocalyptica first of all is is the band, as Metallica first of all is the band, same with Iced Earth, Iron Maiden, and so on with eponymous band/album. This is the main meaning, and needs no specifications. Furthermore, there were no proposal on move. If there will be no strong arguments in favor of (band), I'm going to move it back.Garret Beaumain 14:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I also agree that there shouldn't be a disambiguation page for two articles which are related to the same band and would like to see the move reverted. I would have moved the page back myself, however due to conflicting histories, only an administrator can move the page now. And yes there was no prior discussion for the move and the user that did it has been warned. --Leon Sword 03:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia?

What do people think about incorporating the bits of trivia into other sections? Like if some song was used in a movie, putting that piece of info in the album or song page instead. Since apparently trivia sections are bad... --Gueneverey (talk) 18:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gothic metal?

Who started tagging Apocalyptica as gothic metal? Please if you edit something discuss in talk page and wroite sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.23.138 (talk) 17:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)