Talk:Aoife Hoey

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2008-06-14. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] Deletion issue - pre-discussion

This entry was deleted in 2007 after the usual nomination process was followed; as she no longer competes at Bobsleigh there is no logical reason for her to be relisted a year later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.202.189.254 (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

She finished 22nd out of 23 teams with her sister; I have searched for some of the athletes who finished ahead of her on wikipedia and they are not listed. Wikipedia is not here to list everyone who ever represented their country as a journeyman or woman. Where is the notability? --213.202.189.254 (talk) 11:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I was aware that she had been deleted earlier, but I bypassed this in an effort to avoid a potential issue last October. If you read the WP:BIO rules on the amatuer athletes, she does qualify. Chris (talk) 15:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand the first sentence of the previous comment: the time to set out why she should not be deleted was when her nomination was going through in the normal way in 2007. She was deleted; what issue would have arisen in setting out why she should not have been deleted then. For my ease please set out why you think she qualifies as notable giving regard to the WP:BIO rules on amatuer athletes; I have read them and they do not change my view. By the way my understanding is she was not an amateur athlete as FIBT offer prize money and she was trying to secure sponsors. It is not wikipedia's job to list everyone who ever competed with little distinction at a sport. There is no notability here. She tried to go to the Olympics and was plain not good enough and she came 2nd from last in a FIBT world championship. She was a journeywoman bobsleigher of little distinction. Any 'coolrunnings' type argument that because she was from Ireland she deserves special credit should be set out; as it should be rejected. She is apart from possibly in her home county of Laois unheard of in Ireland.--213.202.138.250 (talk) 18:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The comment that she meets notability by dint of coming 2nd last in the FIBT championships is facile; once more it has to be restated that it it is not wikipedia's function to list every journeyman or woman bobsleigher/darts player/ tennis player or whatever of little distinction. There has been deletion of bald comments that Hoey participated in athletics- on its own this is and was meaningless. There has also been overstatements and misleading comments posted on the entry which seem to have been posted by those who are trying to keep her on wikipedia come what may. There is the appearance of a vanity entry which is being supported by people who are either overly focused on bobsleigh's place in the grand scheme of things and/or know this lady. I have just gone to the Irish athletics association website and checked their 'all time' list Aoife Hoey's contribution to the world of Irish triple jump is a performance of something like 11.50 metres and she ranks 20th in Ireland on an all time basis. For those of you who do not follow that discipline this is about 4 metres below what world class athletes jump. If she ever did win the national title there it was a case of someone had to; no one else turned up. It is idiotic to suggest that merely winning a national title in a small country like Ireland makes you a lock in to be on wikipedia. Her track and field credits merit no more mention; her bobsleigh standing is little better. She competed for a short time which ended 2 years ago and made up the numbers.--213.202.138.250 (talk) 09:15, 2 February 2008 (UTC) — 213.202.138.250 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

[edit] Deletion entry - post-discussion

Olympics----she didn't go and the verbal gymnastics set out that she qualified but didn't compete make no sense as they are written at the moment. --78.16.66.143 (talk) 23:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Please read following taken from Laois newspaper:

The ladies competed impressively in recent years andnarrowly missed out on this month’s Winter Olympics by just one position, having finished in 16th place inEuropean qualifying, just one position outside theautomatic qualifying positions

This implies that they neither qualified nor competed; so what do your comments mean ????? --78.16.66.143 (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

• I adjusted the sentence to from the Laois newspaper that implied that they did not get in. Now will you please quit playing games with this article and leave it alone? Chris (talk) 00:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Good for you: so in essence you are accepting you were wrong: so will you go and learn how to be precise with your postings before you start asking other people what to do?--78.16.66.143 (talk) 13:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Please read WP:NPA for policy. Chris (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

I've reviewed and formatted the references to be inline with the article. I've also removed references that are invalid. Note that there is no sources supporting her competing in triple jump and shot put. A highschool competition isn't really what we're looking for. -- Whpq (talk) 12:56, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

References from the links for the deletion argument verified both of these links. Chris (talk) 18:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Can you point out where the references confirm the informaation in the article?

This reference is supposed to confirm that they narrowly missed the qualifiers for the 2006 Olympics, but the article is from 2003, which would be well in advance any qualifiers, and the statement in the article Their sport is bob-sleigh, with Aoife recently involved in an associated sport called skeleton, and the duo narrowly missed out on qualification to the last Olympics but hope to make up for that by reaching Turin in 2006. explicitly is about the prior Olympics. So I see no confirmation from this source.

This reference which is supposed to confirm her competing in triple jump and shot put mention neither.

I'm reverting back to a request for citations since I don't see that these sources actually verify any of the information that needs verification. -- Whpq (talk) 03:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, I see what you're saying. My bad. Corvus cornix_talk 03:33, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Cleaned up article. All the information I saw of her was in the triple jump in athletics. She is still in bobsleigh though it is in the European Cup version, similar to the GP2 series in Formula One or the Nationwide Series in NASCAR. Chris (talk) 03:47, 10 February 2008 (UTC)