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UN rights violations?

This map shows Virginia, Portugal, Queensland and Japan as having "UN rights violations". How was this determined and what does it even mean?? --24.154.169.193 03:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Where there's a discrimination between the age of consent for sexual activity based on things like homosexuality it's against the UN's declaration on human rights. It was determined from the Ages of consent in... articles. If there's any mistakes, please point them out so we can correct the articles and the map. --Monotonehell 04:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Hrm, I'm still confused as to why Queensland is listed as being in violation of UN rights. I can't see how it's any different to the other states? 60.241.99.16 14:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Queensland has an anal-sex or "sodomy" law which is set at a different age (18) to that of general consent (16). Unlike all the other Australian territories. Ages_of_consent_in_Australia_and_Oceania#Queensland --Monotonehell 15:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This could certainly be labeled a lot more clearly. How about "Varies by sexual act" instead? In the US at least, the UDHR is a ratified treaty in name only, because the US stated reservations to implement it "consistent with the Constitution and laws" of the US, which means it isn't worth the paper it's written on here. Lawyers can't even cite it in arguments because of those reservations. BenB4 04:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
The problem is we need an all encompassing label that covers everything from something like a 2 year difference in sexual acts to places like Iran where sex outside marriage is illegal and homosexuality gets one hanged. Basically it's that colour in the key if there's any differentiation from a simple "you must be this tall" measure that applies to all regardless. I'm open to suggestions. I considered "Varies by sexual act" but it doesn't apply to the other jurisdictions as well. --Monotonehell 05:26, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Has the UN made explicit declarations that these countries are in violation of the UN Declaration on Human Rights, or is that your conclusion? Since it's a somewhat controversial matter to accuse a country of engaging in "UN rights violations", I'd prefer a more factually descriptive term like "age varies", leaving for the specific articles details on how the age varies, and whether that variation is a UN rights violation or not. --Delirium 20:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

(Moved from Talk:Age of consent) Regarding the countries marked in black as violating UN Rights, exactly what UN right are they violating and where is the source of this information? From the map it looks like even Japan, Portugal, Australia, Singapore and Virginia (USA) are violating UN rights.--Pavithran 19:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

This has been brought up above and on the Image's talk page. It's based on the information in Ages of consent in... articles. It's where there's discrimination based on gender, sexuality and so on. Let me know if there's any mistakes, or if you can think of a better label than "UN rights violation" that covers any variation from "same age for all" type legislation (from things like hangings in Iran to the 2 years extra for anal sex in Queensland). --Monotonehell 20:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
A more neutral phrasing would be something like "varies". --Delirium 20:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I thought of "age varies" but wasn't sure that it made sense at the time. Perhaps we should put "See article for details"? --Monotonehell 04:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Canada should also be a UN rights violation like in Queensland, as in most of the country the anal sex age is 18, higher than the standard age. 65.95.140.34 06:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I considered that, but with two jurisdiction having ruled that unconstitutional the law is somewhat nullified. --Monotonehell 06:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Why? Most of the country still retains it. I don't think the UN right violation' is a good idea, just list the AoC for hetro sex.65.95.140.34 05:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Please change it to "Varies" instead of "UN Rights Violation." BenB4 22:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I've been bold and changed it. The text "UN Rights Violation" was never explained in the appropriate article, raises a lot of questions and is doubtfull for many of the countries involved. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 08:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Most of North America?

Unless my eyes have decided to slowly deteriorate, which they haven't, it says that most of north america only has to be 14? Uhh... Precisionless 05:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

That's because "most of North America" is Canada. --Monotonehell 08:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Canada is not most of North America. Certainly not in population, but also not in area. Canada is 9,984,670 km², the United States is 9,631,420 km², and Mexico is 1,972,550 km². Even excluding Central America, Canada is not most of North America. Unless you're using this odd definition of 'North America' in Ages of consent in North America that seems to exclude countries that speak Spanish. -kotra 21:23, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I think Precisionless used the exaggeration "most of north america" because Canada is one solid area of colour, whereas the US is separated into states. So it's an "optical illusion" as it were. No one was suggesting that your pedantry is wrong. If you want to complain about the "odd definition of North America", please take it up with User talk:SqueakBox, who despite opposition has decided to make it this way by his one man consensus. --Monotonehell 00:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I wasn't aware of the context. As for the "odd definition of North America", I already commented on Talk:Ages_of_consent_in_Latin_America#Name, but maybe I'll comment on User talk:SqueakBox as you suggest. -kotra 20:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that the colour code for Canada should be changed either to 18 or Unclear because 14 is not the age of consent in all circumstances. 14 years is the "general" age of consent but the age of consent increases to 18 if the relationship is with a person who holds a position of trust or authority, or a person with whom the youth is in a relationship of dependency or is otherwise found to be exploitative by the courts. Also, the age of consent for anal intercourse in Canada is 18, although several courts have struck down this law as being unconstitutional and I have my doubts as to whether any prosecutor would bother bringing another case to court. Hairytoad2007 01:35, 9 July 2007

All that is in the article. It's the same in many other jurisdictions, if we put unclear, the whole map would be pointless as it would be mostly black. If we changed the map to reflect the "position of trust" type restrictions we would have loads of complaints that it was wrong. We loose either way; if we put 18 we'd get people saying it's wrong, if we have 14 we get people (like yourself) saying it's wrong. I think 14 is the proper age to show, the other age only applies in special circumstances, and there's no close in age restrictions on those over 14 in Canada. I think at least this way we get less complaints as your position is in the minority. --Monotonehell 09:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Svalbard

As far I know Norwegian law is used on Svalbard, so Svalbard should be considered to have an AoC of 16 years.. "Svalbard is part of the Kingdom of Norway, but not all Norwegian legislation applies to the archipelago. However, Norwegian civil law, criminal law and procedural law do apply, unless other provisions are made." And maybe Greeland could be considered to have the same AoC as Denmark; 15 years? Twutt 14:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

If you can find verifiable citations for the legislation for these jurisdictions, then please add them to the appropriate article. Once we have that information then we can update the map. --Monotonehell 17:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Age of consent in Argentina is 15.

It's listed as unknown. --Damifb 14:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi the map's based on the verified information on the region specific pages. Argentina does have an entry but it is one of the jurisdictions that is "unclear or unverified", I don't know where you get the age of 15 from, that's none of the three ages listed in the discussion. --Monotonehell 14:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Age of Consent in Indiana, USA is 16

It is listed as unknown on the map. As I have read above, Indiana may not have a listed AoC, but the age of 16 is enforced, in my area at least, as the AoC. Even though the person is still classed as a minor at 16, with parental consent, an 18 year old may have sexual relations with a 16 year old. Vlasktom 05:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your affirmation but, if you read above then you should understand that making unreferenced statements here doesn't really help. What we need is for someone to find citations to the law and update the appropriate article with verifiable references. Only then can we, in good faith, update the map. Previously we had a map that was filled in from information found on other websites, we constantly were receiving complaints that "such and such an age was wrong". This is why we're insisting on verified information. --Monotonehell 09:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)