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How come that the result to the first show was on here, before the show started?

If the competition is a role of Joseph, well this is a male programme. Why not put "any male" instead of "any", because the show is stupid with a female.

I believe the original press release said that the show would be casting a Joseph, a school choir, a Pharaoh and a female lead (presumably the Narrator). --GracieLizzie 18:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

"The audition process is currently under way and is open to any male who can play a character on stage with an age of 17-30."

One of the contestants in the final twelve (Seamus Cullen) is 35... --80.47.243.138 20:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 The Rose 2 Criticism 3 Criticism continued 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Josephsandgraham.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Adwd logo.jpg

[edit] The Rose

On the page, the song The Rose is credited to Westlife - shouldn't it be either to Bette Middler or to the film The Rose, from whence it originally came?

The song was announced as being by Westlife, probably because of the arrangement? Typically the songs get listed as the BBC credits them, but I see your point. Little-quiqueg 16:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

Thank you for editing out the bias in the eliminations catagory.

the criticism section is now being added by a member who favorite performer has been voted off the show. It seemed that comments from performers are valid criticism. This is pretty weak if you ask me since that same performer didn't have any comment on the selection process until after he was voted off and most likely wouldn't have had any if he had remained.

Elaine Page's comment are factually incorrect and it shows she knows little or nothing about the show and its performers.

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Elaine Paige is one of the most influential people in musical theatre in the UK. So obviously a comment she has about the show is relevant. Her opinion is a commentary on an ongoing event of popular culture. Whether she is right or wrong isn't relevant. The reader is welcome to agree or disagree. It should still be included for completion's sake. For what it's worth, I don't agree with her opinion either, but I'm not censoring it.

The idea of the criticism section is to present, factually, that critical comments have been made. Whether you find them poor or petty or sour grapes is irrelevant. As a sentient human being you should be capable of forming your own opinion without needing to have someone else spoon-feed them to you. So the mere presence of a critical comment does not mean someone is out to disgrace the show and put bias on the article.

Furthermore, if you're implying I'm removing your personal comments because I advocate a certain candidate, just look at my editing history. I just want to keep this article factual and complete. I like them all just the same. :) Criticism is part of life.

It would be very nice if you could get an account so we could settle this dispute properly instead of your constant stealth edits which are riddled with spelling mistakes. Little-quiqueg 16:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

If Page's comment are so important why haven't you updated her entry as to include them?---If her comments on this program hold so m uch weight..why haven't you changed her page? Again if Boy's comments are so controversial why did you choose to change this entry and not his?

this smacks of someone wanting to highlight a darker aspect of the show rather than wanting to post actual critical content.

Where are you changes for the entries on Page and Boys in wiki if this is so important to the article?

I think we have different ideas of what is relevant. On a global scale, looking at all entertainment news ever, her comments aren't that important, agreed. In her personal biography as well as Daniel Boys' these comments aren't that important either, agreed. But are we writing the Chronicals of Entertainment News of the 21st Century? No, we're compiling information about this show.

In 10 years from now (maybe), someone will look at this article. There will be tons of other links portraying the aftermath of this. I assure you, there will be more critical comments sooner or later. Just look at How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria. There will also be links to articles that praise the finalists, point out how their careers progressed etc. All of that is relevant to the show and should be collected.

On a global level, as well as a personal one for Boys and Paige (and yes you really do spell her name like that, trust me), the interviews aren't relevant. For ADWD they are.

I get a feeling you think I'm out to discredit ADWD. What makes you think that? If you look at my history, I've persistently edited this article, added details, fleshed it out. I've listed all the songs for all the Josephs, regardless of my personal preference. I want this article to be nice and informative so that people who can't watch it get an idea of what's going on. This also includes discussion about the show, positive or negative. I like ADWD a lot, so I'm sure anybody bothering to get a full overview of the coverage will agree to that and not think it's all rigged and everyone's crying into their pillows over Boys' eviction (I'm actually not even sure whether you're pro or con Boys, or think I am. This is all very confusing).

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Another note. I'm pretty sure it was you who added the controversy about the Boys eviction. This really doesn't belong into the elimination overview which should be factual and without any bias. So I've moved it to the criticism section, but I'm honestly not sure whether the link to a blog entry actually could be considered a good source. But that's not for me to decide. Edit: Looks like an admin someone else removed it. That settles it I guess. Little-quiqueg 10:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Just want to point out that I removed the info, but I am not an admin. I'm just an editor who doesn't think that what random people write in their blogs is worth noting in articles. --OnoremDil 11:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah okay! Well, either way it's good to get an additional opinion in here. Editing a wiki article really shouldn't be a battle of opinions between two people. I've had stuff I added changed and deleted too. It's not like this is a personal attack, that's just how wikis work. Little-quiqueg 11:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I must congratulate whoever put the results of the contest on this page so quickly. It is also a very good and interesting Wiki page. Thank you. Oyster24 13:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism continued

This paragraph reads horribly:-

"In a brief interview from 22 May 2007 with The Guardian, theatrical actress Elaine Paige named Any Dream Will Do as the greatest threat to theatre today, saying that "actors already striving in the theatre wouldn't dream of putting themselves on these shows".[9] But the contest's winner Lee Mead, who had been in the ensemble and understudying Raoul in Phantom of the Opera told the performing arts weekly The Stage's June 20, 2007 edition: "I had a year contract with Phantom and these auditions came up four months into it. Those chances don’t come up very often so I thought I would go along and see what happened. When I got to the last 12, I had to make decision to stay with Phantom or go with the programme. I am a strong believer that you need to take risks in your career and that is what has brought me this far...Friends in the industry were surprised because I may have got my first lead from Phantom. But I never knew if that would come and when that would be." He opens in the lead role in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat at London's Adelphi Theatre on July 17, 2007.[1]. Ms Paige had been speaking during the previews of The Drowsy Chaperone - at London's Novello Theatre - in which she had the title role. The doyen of UK theatre critics, The Guardian's Michael Billington wrote of it on June 7, 2007: '...while it clearly tickled a showbizzy first-night crowd, it lacks the paradisal innocence of a genuinely loving recreation of the period, such as Sandy Wilson's The Boy Friend...I would readily sacrifice the whole of this glitzy charade for 10 minutes of the real thing by Rodgers and Hart, Cole Porter or Jerome Kern.'[2]. Within days £20 (36%) was hacked off the show's priciest seats.[3] "

-Suggest Changing it to:-

"In a brief interview from 22 May 2007 with The Guardian, theatrical actress Elaine Paige named Any Dream Will Do as the greatest threat to theatre today, saying that "actors already striving in the theatre wouldn't dream of putting themselves on these shows".[9] Ms Paige had been speaking during the previews of The Drowsy Chaperone - at London's Novello Theatre - in which she had the title role. The doyen of UK theatre critics, The Guardian's Michael Billington wrote of it on June 7, 2007: '...while it clearly tickled a showbizzy first-night crowd, it lacks the paradisal innocence of a genuinely loving recreation of the period, such as Sandy Wilson's The Boy Friend...I would readily sacrifice the whole of this glitzy charade for 10 minutes of the real thing by Rodgers and Hart, Cole Porter or Jerome Kern.'[2]. Within days £20 (36%) was hacked off the show's priciest seats.[3]

However, the contest's winner Lee Mead, who had been in the ensemble and understudying Raoul in Phantom of the Opera told the performing arts weekly The Stage's June 20, 2007 edition: "I had a year contract with Phantom and these auditions came up four months into it. Those chances don’t come up very often so I thought I would go along and see what happened. When I got to the last 12, I had to make decision to stay with Phantom or go with the programme. I am a strong believer that you need to take risks in your career and that is what has brought me this far...Friends in the industry were surprised because I may have got my first lead from Phantom. But I never knew if that would come and when that would be." He opens in the lead role in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat at London's Adelphi Theatre on July 17, 2007.[1]. "

I'm not too happy with the entire addition to the criticism as IMO it does nothing to the subject at hand pointing out how her own box office performance was. But since I've already gotten in a skirmish over that part earlier I figured someone else will eventually step in and straighten this out. Why don't you go ahead and do it then? I agree, as it is now it is horrible. Little-quiqueg 13:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I've completely removed the criticism of The Drowsy Chaperone - it was, frankly, utterly irrelevant in the context (but should probably be added to the show's own article). The quotation from Mead, though, is perfect as a counter-argument to Paige. - Dafyd 21:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Josephsandgraham.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Adwd logo.jpg

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