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[edit] Personal Attacks

Your recent edit here is a personal attack in that it misconstrues my edit as retribution. It breaks WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Please refrain from making such attacks towards me. My warning was based on his involvement in a current edit war, which is an inappropriate use of TW. DigitalC (talk) 01:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

If you disagreed with his use of Twinkle, then why warn him about 3RR instead? You should lighten up on the alphabet soup in your first-posts to other users' talk pages, by the way. Antelan^talk 02:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Is there another warning for being involved in an edit war? Users can be blocked for edit warring whether they have broken 3RR or not. I do not take personal attacks lightly. DigitalC (talk) 02:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The first question you might want to ask yourself is, "Why am I using a template?" If you're talking with an established user, the template is probably unnecessary, and a personal note will almost always be received better. A templated warning for the wrong offense will almost certainly be received poorly. Antelan^talk 02:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

While it is a 3RR Template, it does spell out that it appears that he is currently involved in an edit war, and that editors do not need to break 3RR to be blocked - so I'm not sure it is "a warning for the wrong offense"?. However, in the future I will take your advice and simply ask them to cease the edit war and refer to the talk page of the respective article. Thanks for your input and guidance - I am still learning the ins and outs of WP. DigitalC (talk) 02:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Digital C does the personal attack, and he accuses Antelan of doing the same. That's so laughable I wet myself. Oh, and editor whining about Twinkle should have their butts blocked. There are NO rules regarding the use of Twinkle unless there is some violation of Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. Get off your high horse DigitalC and don't make threats. They're unbecoming. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 03:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Reminds me of a classic (if base) pickup line beginning, "That dress looks becoming on you." You know the rest. Antelan^talk 03:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks, Antelan. Went back to correct and you'd alread done it for me (: ——Martin^phi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 16:20, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

My pleasure. Whenever I'm not being a pest, I try to be helpful. Antelan^talk 16:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spade

I responded on my page. Wasn't sure if you were watching it, or not.Woonpton (talk) 23:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re "psychosomatic" & its possible causes

Hang on a mo! I haven't finished it yet! —— Tegiap (talk) 08:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't sure, so I just tagged it as reading informally (not suggesting it be deleted or anything). Thanks, Antelan^talk 08:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Legal

I listed enough comma-delimited reasons that if one doesn't apply, the others should. : ) I'm sure in Europe it's legal to discuss the theory (report on it, etc.) so long as one doesn't endorse it. --Nealparr ^{(talk to me)} 09:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm also a fan of the try-everything approach. Patients don't seem to like it, though. Antelan^talk 09:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

That's funny because whenever I go see the doctor they have a less is more approach. I should probably should switch insurance carriers. --Nealparr ^{(talk to me)} 09:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I stick my hand into the X-ray beam at least once a day so I can feel like I get my money's worth. Antelan^talk 09:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please

Please stop telling me how to edit Wikipedia. If you think you have cause, report me to AN/I. Otherwise, please don't tell me how I should edit. ——Martin^phi ☎ Ψ Φ—— 23:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

If you edit according to the norms, I'll have no need to remind you of etiquette. You've taken a very antagonistic approach here in suggesting that I report you to AN/I. I am merely letting you know about your own missteps so that you can correct them yourself. Antelan^talk 23:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Podiatry

Allopathic crap again. I just went to the article to get some information about how podiatrists are licensed in the US, and I saw allopathic being used vs. osteopathic. Lots of IP editing, so not sure if Hopping was involved, but it reads like his stuff.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Given the IP's interest in football, I doubt they're one in the same. I'll take a look at that page. Antelan^talk 23:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

And you totally beat me to it. Nice work. Antelan^talk 00:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chiropractic

Over beers, chips, cigars, scotch whiskey, and numerous hands of Texas hold 'em, I asked several surgeons what they think of chiro. You should have heard the laughs. Basically, their opinion was that chiropractors do nothing specific; it's just that in some percentage of the cases, patients get better, because the body heals itself. So instead of believing that the body just heals itself, they think the chiro did it. Medical denialism. As I've been studying AIDS denialism, I see the same anti-science, or even what I now call science denialism, becoming prevalent. I know that medicine sometimes moves forward with guesswork. I know the story on how the first cardiologist and veterinarian invented coronary stents (I heard it first hand, and it's funny). I know how some amazing medical technology rose and feel during it's development. But in the end, it was science that made it last. That's what I don't get about all the anti-science CAM beliefs--if it works, let's prove it. It's not that hard. If chiropractic works, let's see a trial. Just one. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm with you there. I confess that I have a feeling that chiropractic will prove useful for things like work-related back pain. Until RCTs come back with any evidence, however, I still think that providers such as chiropractors do provide a valuable service to physicians (yes, physicians): namely, they keep the patients who have no specific problem from entering the healthcare system. That said, of course, there is a serious risk of harm when the patient actually has a serious problem and the midlevel provider doesn't understand that they can't actually cure it through good intentions. Antelan^talk 23:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I never thought of it your way. Use the quacks for the minor stuff, saving the healthcare system from treating the minor stuff. Wow. That's good.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 23:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Antelan <--- Always trying to push the workload onto someone else. Antelan^talk 00:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Lazy ass. OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 00:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

gotta weigh in on this,having been involved in the first efforts in the u.s. on minimally invasive discectomy, 20+ years ago. (turns out the procedure/device in question wasn't the answer.)in the end, relief of the patients' symptoms has to be the goal. i've known more people to say,' i saw neurosurgeons, i saw orthopaedic surgeons, i had 2 surgeries, i saw physiatrists and physiotherapists for years. i saw a chiropractor? my back hasn't felt this good in years.' i even knew one neurosurgeon to espouse this pov, although he also said they (chiros) wreck a disc themselves every now and then.now, to suggest that all disease is a result of spinal misalignment is patent nonsense.as for having o2 saturated water bubbled up my ass, i'll take a pass on that, thanks. they've branched out into nutrition during my lifetime, and most efforts to improve that in this country can't be bad.jury is still out in some ways.oh yeah, 2 of their schools field good rugby sides. Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Szlevi

Have you seen some of the uncivil comments he's making. He makes me look like a positive nice guy. I'm offended that there's someone that's meaner than me. :( OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 22:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

He called me an egghead, nowhere near uncivil enough to even pique my interests. Hopefully he's found more engaging epithets for you. I know you have a high tolerance for insults (and scotch?). Antelan^talk 05:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CSD

Having an empty category is normally a speedy deletion criteria, because we have no use for empty categories. {{emptycat}} is a also speedy because it is non-controversial. However, in this case someone is arguing that this category SHOULD be populated, and WP:CFD is where those decisions can be made by consensus. — xaosflux ^Talk 11:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha, thanks for the helpful reply. Antelan^talk 22:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfB Comments

As explained there, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my motives/intentions, and I describe in detail why. I would request that you read what I wrote, and I am interested if you have a response. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 21:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I have responded there. Antelan^talk 22:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Rfb participation thanks

Hello, Antelan.

I wanted to personally thank you for taking part in the project-wide discussions regarding my candidacy for bureaucratship. After bureaucratic discussion, the bureaucrats decided that there was sufficient significant and varied opposition to my candidacy, and thus no consensus to promote. Although personally disappointed, I both understand and respect their decision, especially in light of historical conservatism the project has had when selecting its bureaucrats. As you felt the need to oppose my candidacy, I would appreciate any particular thoughts or advice you may have as to what flaws in my candidacy you perceived and how you feel they may be addressed. Once again, thank you for your participation. -- Avi (talk) 20:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In the weeds

Antelan, I worry that we are getting off into the weeds at WT:RFA. I did not make a math error. Let me go point by point. (Of course the general caveat that it's not a strictly numbers based decision). Currently the bureaucrats generally promote when the percentage is above 75percent.

Thus we assume

S = number of supports
O = number of opposes
N = number of neutrals

Currently, we promote when S/(S+O) >=.75

You proposed under your system, we should generally promote when the percentage of supports (including neutrals) divided by the percentage of opposes (including neutrals) is greater than 3.

This is %S/%O >=3.

To calculate the percentage of S, we use the formula S/(S+O+N). Agree? The number of supports, divided by the sum of supports, neutral and opposes. Now the proof I provided at WT:RFA:

S/(S+O) >= .75
S >= .75 (S+O)
S >= .75S + .75O
.25S >= .75O
S >= 3O
S/(S+O+N) >= 3O/(S+O+N)
%S >= 3 %O
S%/O% >=3

I never assumed that (S+O) = (S+O+N). Cheers! --JayHenry (talk) 01:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No, as I pointed out when I struck my comment on the talk page, I didn't see the % signs on your original post. My faith in your algebra is completely restored. The question, of course, becomes: will this cause you to lose faith in my ability to read? Antelan^talk 01:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just saw your statement that it would just be a change in how the table is displayed. In this case, I have no objection. My concern is that I think some other editors were taking your idea and running with it, and reaching a conclusion that would dramatically alter the expectations at RFA. Genuinely sorry if I seemed pointlessly rude here. No, it seems that you're reading is quite up to snuff (and rather it's my reading that was off the mark)! Apologies for a rather pointless miscommunication here :) --JayHenry (talk) 01:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Subcutaneous emphysema

Hey, odd cooincidence: I've been working on an article on SubQ emphysema at User:Delldot/subQ. I just now noticed that you recently started the article. I want to move mine to the mainspace at some point, but don't want to lose the revision history (you know, GFDL and all that), so I was thinking of doing a histmerge. Any objection? I was also thinking of DYKing it. Nice job on the medical articles, by the way, it's such a rarely frequented topic! By the way, I'm trying to figure out before I move the thing to the mainspace: does air in the tissues due to gangrene count as SCE proper, or is it considered something else? All the sources are really ambiguous on that point. If you wouldn't mind giving my article a looksee at some point, it could probably use it, since I'm no expert. Thanks much! Peace, delldot talk 20:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Antelan, I replied to your note on my talk. :) delldot talk 01:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questionable Sources

Yilloslime has started an informal reference list of Questionable Sources which superficially appear to be reliable. If you would like to add your 2¢ after your wikibreak, there is the link. - Eldereft ~(s)talk~ 19:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] This is why I thought he/she was a administrator

Just some examples of why I thought this user User:Ncmvocalist was and administrator; [1], [2], [3], [4]. Anyways, if you look at his/her contributions, it looks like an administrator; at least it does to me. I am watching an "this" and for obvious reasons I don't want anything to do with this editor but Ncmvocalist got involved early in it and got into a revert war with another editor which got a short block which is when I started to question whether or not he is an administrator. Are regular editors allowed to do the actions like this editor does? I mean close boards, giving advice first then closing and moving things around? I am not asking this very well as I am really uncomfortable asking about this to be honest. I would feel comfortable via email probably but this is really not important to bring it to email so I didn't. But I guess the bottom line to my question is can any editor close active boards talks, block other editors (I am not saying this editor did this as I do not know, I am just curious) and do edits that I usually only see administrators do? Sorry for this confusing post, but I know I can get an honest and reasonable answer about my question from you. To be honest I actually find this behavior confusing. It's seems like an editor trying to be an administrator who is not an administrator. I hope that I don't sound incivil with these comments, I am just confused about it all and I am trying to understand. If I am being rude in anyway, please let me know and accept my deepest apologies. I hope by now you know that I try real hard to never be uncivil to anyone. Thank you in advance, if you are more comfortable answering via email, please do not hesitate at all. You can respond here if you prefer as I do have you on my watch list. Again thank you in advance, my meds have me a little confused lately and I am trying hard to understand these types of things. As always, good health and enjoy what is left of the weekend! --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:54, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I can see why you would think that, given some of those edits. He is, assuredly, not an administrator. If you think his behavior is inappropriate, you can report it to WP/ANI or similar admin notice boards. As far as I can tell, there is nothing strictly against policy, but some of those things are a bit confusing. If a non-admin has closed a discussion, I wouldn't hesitate to reopen it if I felt that the closure was inappropriate. In the link you provided, there was little/no comment before he closed the discussion, so it is a bit concerning, but I don't know the context. (You do know that, like him, I'm also not an admin, right?) Warm regards, Antelan^talk 00:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I just thought I would explain why I even asked if he was an administrator. He seems to be everywhere lately that I go. These kinds of 'calls' he seems to make on his own at time sounds so official. --CrohnieGal^Talk 10:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back!

Glad to see that break template come down! See you around soon I hope. Peace, delldot on a public computer talk 22:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes! I'm back. I'll be dedicating minimal time to WP, but I'm only involved in one "disagreement" at the moment (User:Hopping's use of "allopathic" across WP to describe regular medicine) so I should be able to use the majority of my little time to help you with articles. Great work on subcutaneous emphysema, by the way! Any article in particular that you want to focus on now? Antelan^talk 22:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, how delightful that you ask! I'm kind of in article limbo now in terms of actually building any. I was vaguely toying with the idea of expanding penetrating trauma. I don't suppose you're into head trauma? I was also kind of toying with getting post-traumatic epilepsy or post-traumatic seizure to GA. And my secret dream is to get an expert to review pulmonary contusion for accuracy, since without that I wouldn't be comfortable taking it to FAC. But these are all kind of vague plans for sometime, if you have a particular area you'd like to work on I'd be delighted to work with you on it. What types of medicine are you interested in? delldot on a public computer talk 23:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Right now, I'm interested in all areas, especially anything where radiology is part of the diagnostic picture. Penetrating trauma sounds pretty tempting... With my haphazard time, I could probably be most useful to you by (1) finding sources to back statements that you think are probably true, (2) copyediting, or (3) expanding particular subsections of a given article. I'm game for anything medical, so I'll let you guide this. Antelan^talk 00:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

That sounds excellent, especially #1. Let's expand penetrating trauma 5 times and get it DYK'd, what do you say? delldot on a public computer talk 03:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

You mentioned being able to find sources, so I've come to you because I'm stuck! Probably not your thing, but I need to find more information about the epidemiology of post-concussion syndrome in children and how it differs in adults, and I'm having trouble finding new sources. Think you could help? I have access to a lot of journals, so if you find something I'll likely be able to get it. I'd be immensely grateful, but ignore me if you're not interested. delldot talk 19:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I've started reading up on it a bit. It looks like the symptomatology is similar between the adult and pediatric syndromes. With regards to the epidemiology... I have a feeling sport is going to play prominently here, but I haven't yet found sources with hard numbers. I'll report back after some more effort. Antelan^talk 22:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

You're the best Antelan. You gotta start thinking up ways I can repay the favor! delldot talk 02:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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