User talk:Antandrus

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Antandrus is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia around June 9; I'll be at a music festival beginning afternoon June 6. I may check messages once a day or so.

Greetings, welcome to my talk page. Please leave me new messages at the bottom of the page. I usually notice messages soon. If I think it is important to keep a thread together I will respond here; otherwise I may respond on your talk page.

Contents 1 A help request 2 Helpful Sinebot 3 Thank you.... 4 New List 5 The Creator of the American Museum of Magic page thanks its Guardian Angel 6 What are admins doing about Hagger? 7 I'm so sorry that happened! 8 Thank you! 9 User:Ae6yrgbrgyg 10 Just to say hai 11 Hi Antandrus!!! 12 New sock 13 User:Iamheretodamage 14 About your essay 15 Hu12 16 WP:HAU 17 Witty 18 RFA Thanks 19 Likewise 20 WP:Wikiproject Investment 21 E-mail 22 chicago 23 RfA thanks! 24 Re: Welcome back 25 M. D. Antani 26 Wikibreak - Go! 27 User:125.255.113.214 28 Friendly greeting 29 my RfA - Ta! 30 User talk:71.107.140.86 - oops 31 Welcome back! 32 IP addresses 33 Man, is it ever great to see you! 34 Andrea Antico Croatian? 35 Another suggestion from AFC 36 Great work 37 GIMP 38 WP:HAU 39 Thanks 40 User page 41 By far the best one... 42 TfD nomination of Template:Creationism2 43 Kathleen L. Lodwick. 44 Re: Your message

[edit] A help request

Would you help with an irritating situation in the Musical historicism article? A really small matter at that. We have a relevant opinion of a major musicologist apropos a composer (user lute88) which the latter publishes on his site and we cite it in the article. User Jerome Kohl considers it OR and keeps reverting it over and over. (As far as I know it might have stemmed from some usenet irritation in the past) Thanks.Galassi (talk) 21:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Helpful Sinebot

Hello my friend. After your last edit here, it occurs to me to mention that you can add {{bots|deny=SineBot}} to your talk page (like this), and that helpful Sinebot then stays away. I did this on my talk page, because I would much rather add {{Unsigned}} myself if the unsigned post was constructive. Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 14:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you....

.... for reverting vandalism on my user page! Pedro :  Chat  13:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! This is important stuff, and one of the things that keeps us together. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 13:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New List

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 02:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Creator of the American Museum of Magic page thanks its Guardian Angel

I created that page, and have (with a little help from my friends) brought it along. In the first attack, it was a pleasant surprise to have you magically appear and do a revert. Keep up the good work. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC) Stan

You're welcome; that's what happens when one "magically" loads recent changes, and there's a vandalized article right at the top! Happy editing and keep up the good work as well, Antandrus (talk)

[edit] What are admins doing about Hagger?

That stuff is really getting annoying, have you seen anything more disruptive on wikipedia than that nonsense? Since you've been here since early 2004, what are the main major troubles you have come up against, i was just interested. By the way, is it only admins who can fix the problem of moving the page back to its right position? I just dont want to think about if there are no admins around for a time that it goes unnoticed for a while. Good luck to all of you, you need it! Thanks Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 03:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

If you bring up the move log, do you have a "revert" link at the end of each item? If so, you can do it too.

Probably the worst vandalism spree I recall was a vandalbot that used a different open proxy for each edit. And even that got cleaned up pretty fast, by good teamwork. Page move vandals are irritating, but fortunately the software is robust enough that you can always undo the move trail, as long as you are careful to do things in the right order, and never move a page so it redirects to itself (haven't seen that problem for a while; maybe there's a warning now if you accidentally try it?)

My philosophy on things like this particular vandal is to deny them recognition, i.e. talk about them only in the most general of terms and not bless them with names like The Big Mean Vandal, since the rush of fame is what keeps them coming back. Treating all vandals as though they are the same vandal is a useful way to look at it, in my experience.

I still find Wikipedia to be a massive proof that there is more good will than bad in the world, since good edits outnumber vandals by such a large proportion. So... like the bad drivers on the freeway, you notice the bad ones, but the hundreds of good ones can completely escape your attention. Happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 03:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes i do have the revert and i will keep that in mind. Of course your right, deny them recognition just like you said, a great explanation. You make it look so so easy. Same to you. Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 04:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I'm so sorry that happened!

It really burns me up when a friend's page gets repeatedly vandalized like that. At least we can be thankful the user was blocked indefinately! And I find the best way to cool down after these occurrences is to enjoy a nice dish of cookies and a glass of milk:

Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 04:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 17:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

That was a quite delightful surprise!!! Thank you very much!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 03:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Ae6yrgbrgyg

Thanks for the reverts there.. I think that's the first time I've had a vandal centre his vandalism almost entirely around me... I have no idea whether to take it as a sign that I'm doing a good job, or a bad one. :) Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 04:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just to say hai

Have a great day ! -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 10:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thank you! appreciate that. We need more of this sentiment on the project ... :) Antandrus (talk) 17:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Antandrus!!!

Well, here we go again! It's actually been a while since I consulted you for an opinion, but anyway, I'd like to know what you think of this potential article: [1] Thanks!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 23:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. It's a great idea. Is it possible to find one or more of his pictures? (They'd probably be public domain because of their age.) Good work! Antandrus (talk) 23:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and on the French version of this article, there are some links to sites which contain his photos. Thanks again!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 23:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Good morning, again (or I guess it's evening in Wikipedia!), and could you please review this one as well?[2] (PS, thanks again for your opinion on the previous one!!!) Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Wilhelmina! I'm a little less certain on that one. Forums are usually not considered to be reliable sources, though the group sounds notable enough. The article should start with a statement of what they are (band? genre? year formed? members?) along with their overall significance, if such a thing is possible to determine -- maybe an additional one or two sentence opening paragraph would do the trick. Hope this helps!  :) Antandrus (talk) 21:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 21:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC) As it turns out, I didn't need to bother, as it apparently already exists in Wikipedia: [3] But one more time: Thanks for all your excellent help!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 22:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome!  :) Antandrus (talk) 22:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello again! This one's a quickie, but I'd like a second opinion on it. [4] Could you please look it over for me, and tell me what you think? Thanks! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 22:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks good, appears to be notable. "Action movement" for some reason bugs me a little; is it a named organization type I just don't know about? Maybe "activist group supporting equal rights for gay and lesbian residents of North Carolina ..." Good though; I'm glad you're doing these. You're giving them some good consistency and removing promo-speak, which saves copyeditors a lot of trouble (and how often do little articles go up written by COI/SPA accounts that never get edited ...) Good job! Antandrus (talk) 00:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I only used "Action movement" because I couldn't think of anything else; it isn't really a term (as far as I know). But thanks again!!! Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 01:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New sock

New sock of BoxingWear etc - NewBlock (talk · contribs) (see particularly [5]). Just tried to recruit me into the dispute via off-wiki canvassing. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, they don't get any clearer than that. You don't need an advanced degree in psychology to parse stuff like this "...And not only on english wikipedia! He was kicked out and suspended from countless boxing forums under different names" -- the accusations he makes are always, to the letter, exactly applicable to himself (GRP has been banned on the Polish wiki and various boxing wikis, for example). Thanks for letting me know, and let me know if you see any others. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

First of all, nobody is suspended on polish wiki but only in a negative way to learn polish, bad polish keyboard, bad administrators like antandrus (antandrus.tripod.com)As antandrus never told the truth in his entire life, it would be bad otherwise for his reputation

More info could be found here to the above ignorant replies:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NewBlock&diff=212918345&oldid=212918300

But when it comes to truth, not for antandrus

One big difference between you and me, Boxingwear/George Reeves/Projects/Gildyshow etc., is that you are consumed by your own hate, vindictiveness, and obsessive rage, and and cannot seem ever to let it go, while all I want is for you to get over it. Has it ever struck you as significant that I do not need to sprinkle the internet with hate pages about you? That's something you do. Sure, I could make a page at "Encyclopedia Dramatica" calling you a pedophile, or whatever, but I don't need to. What I want from you is for you to abide by site policy: in the two and a half years I've known you, you have done nothing but pour forth a stream of abuse, malice, threats, and some of the most utterly hideous verbal abuse I've seen in my whole time on the project, and all to people who did nothing but try to help you. Unless you change, I will be blocking you every time I see you, for it is quite clear to me you cannot stop.

Can't you see that devoting your life to a campaign of hate makes you small? Don't you want to accomplish something of value in your time on earth? You're not a kid. I can tell. All you have to do is stop. Watching you edit over the last several years is a lot like watching someone hitting themselves on the head with a hammer. It's utterly baffling! You need to seek out someone who can give you some real help, and unfortunately Wikipedia isn't going to help you much in that regard. And once again, I don't hate you: that's all in your imagination. Have a nice day, Antandrus (talk) 22:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, here's my reply so it does not look i am 'pesonally attacking' antandrus.

Antandrus statement is half true, its not nice to provoke people and accuse me of users i am not! More here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Antandrus&diff=214485532&oldid=214485256

I just wanted to let you know that I also have been drug into this mudslinging contest. I have recieved no less than 30 EMAIL's from this clown with at least 5 different names. I am tempted to set my EMAIL so every time he sends me one it replies with 50. I saved them so in case someone needs them I have them. I think its gotten to the point where wikipedia as a company takes legal action against this person for making threats against its patrons. Personally I hope he does come and find me face to face as he has threatened, I'll unleash my trunk monkey.--Kumioko (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No! Not that! Not the trunk monkey! Actually, having just recently seen the Indy Jones film, I was thinking that a bathtub full of Siafus would be more fitting. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I need to get away from Wikipedia for an evening and go see that movie. Antandrus (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

And if you do, you'll find that your user name somehow vaguely relates to what I was just mentioning above. I don't want to say any more, or it might spoil it. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I only deleted a couple before my better judgement told me I shouldn't. FYI I also left a note on Jimbo Wales page, given the seriousness of the issue and that he is the one that blocked this user in the first place I though he should know. --Kumioko (talk) 21:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It's worth a shot. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[6]. He's never gone for long. Antandrus (talk) 23:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, I think it's the same guy who emailed me out of the blue. Probably 50 emails worth of incoherent babbling about how evil Antandrus is and how I must stop him, but to be honest it's quite .. well .. difficult to understand what the guy is even on about. Now he's just busy spamming me with more incoherent threats about anti-wikipedia sites and how it's some kind of revenge? Riiiight .. Arkyan 03:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Oy. Make sure if you e-mail him back it's from a service that hides your IP. One of his "tricks" -- which he reserves for people who contradict him, tell him to get lost, or defy him in any way -- is to forge a death threat, from YOU to HIM, with a header, containing your IP, sufficiently convincing to fool your ISP into disconnecting your service. Obviously since this is illegal I save these. This guy needs help of a kind we can't give, and he needs it sooner rather than later. Antandrus (talk) 03:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep. I made a point of deliberately not emailing him back, as that would reveal my email address to him. If you send an email through Special:Emailuser it obviously arrives in their inbox as usual, showing your details to them, but not theirs to you. I would rather people like him didn't have my email address, so... But yes, he did appear to be sending emails out to loads of people, seeing how numerous people in different areas complained about someone sending them lots of emails out of the blue. I almost feel sorry for him. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 04:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Iamheretodamage

Thank you! Corvus cornix_talk 02:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome ... I know I should probably use more serious and boring block summaries... Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 02:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About your essay

Hi, I just wanted to praise your essay at User:Antandrus/observations_on_Wikipedia_behavior. It's beautifully written and rings true with my own experience, although I haven't been as involved with vandal- and troll-fighting as you seem to have been. Your advice is sobering and was helpful, and I hope you'll continue to contribute to articles and cool tempers here for a long time. Dcoetzee 03:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; I appreciate that. I'm actually inclined to leave the vandal-fighting to the newcomers and get back to writing articles -- it's more fun and less stressful -- and if writing is your main activity on Wikipedia, especially in an out-of-the-way area, I think it's a whole lot easier to maintain a cool temper. Best, Antandrus (talk) 03:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hu12

I have been watching several articles in silence for quite a long while now, and although I am not an editor, nor am I exactly sure how to be one, I must say that Hu12's edits are way out of control. He obviously has some special administrative powers, but he is using them to the detriment of Wikipedia. I often use Wiki to research material and was surprised by what seems to be a level of bias applied by Hu12. Everything appears to be subjective. If he does not like a particular edit for any reason, he seems to react quite quickly in reverting the edit, and if the edit is then re-reverted by another editor, he then calls the person a sockpuppet and blocks them. Not fully knowing what a sockpuppet is, I can fairly well guess at it. I cannot understand why admins are not screened a little more carefully. It seems to me that this particular admin has lost the plot, and I am starting to see some really negative stuff about him on other posts (which appear to be vandalism however) and even on his own talk page. I simply ask that you look into all of his contributions and deletions and spam blocks and general history, to determine if indeed this is someone wikipedia wants as an admin. I have even searched Google and found lots of references to his actions, almost all negative. An admin should be acting by the book, and not write their own set of rules or interpret the rules to suit their style of adminship. Please, seriously consider having a word with Hu12 about this, and see if he should be pulling his head in. It doesn't look good for wikipedia, and I really believe he is now starting to write wikipedia the way HE wants it to be written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.100.128.152 (talk • contribs)

Greetings ...I'm afraid you're going to have to be a bit more specific. We have ways to address administrative misbehavior, if you believe this to be the case (I have not seen it in Hu12, by the way -- while I don't know him well, I agree with him sometimes, disagree sometimes, and that's all as it should be). If you have a specific issue, you can bring it up on one of the noticeboards (WP:ANI, for example); but if you do so, please be calm and respectful to get a hearing. Regarding some of your comments: a sockpuppet is a second account by one contributor. Google searches are unreliable -- heck, google my name and the third hit tells you I'm a child rapist (no). That kind of thing is inevitable if you are at all active as an administrator, and you actually get more of it if you're a good one. As of screening admins, well, we have WP:RFA, which is a bit of a gauntlet and public caning these days, and no fun at all, but people trusted by the community generally pass with a few flesh wounds. I have no special power -- I'm just another half-burned-out admin -- so I'd strongly suggest lodging any more specific complaint somewhere appropriate. I'd also suggest bringing up any problems you've had with Hu12, or anyone else, with the person directly, before posting publicly -- it's the brave thing to do and sometimes works out better than you expect. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:HAU

Hello again. The Highly Active Users project has gone through a complete revamping per popular demand. We believe this new format will make it easier for new editors to find assistance. However, with the new format, I must again ask you to verify your information on this page. I attempted to translate the data from the old version to the new, but with the extensive changes, I may have made some errors. Thanks again. Useight (talk) 03:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I did do a lot of work to get it going, and it's good to be appreciated. Useight (talk) 04:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Witty

Nice one. --John (talk) 04:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:) Antandrus (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFA Thanks

Thanks for your support at my recent Request for adminship. I hope you find I live up to your expectations. Best, Risker (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Likewise

[edit] WP:Wikiproject Investment

Hi. I noticed your answer on the Humanities refdesk (regarding royalty trusts) and I gather that you also think it's important for WP to provide decent investment information to casual investors. If you have the time, you might like to consider Wikipedia:WikiProject Investment, where a few of us have recently got together to do just that. Have a look if you're interested. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 11:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind I moved your response back here.

Interesting project! I think it's an excellent idea, and Wikipedia could be hugely improved in this area. Thanks for letting me know; I would never have seen it otherwise. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You're quite welcome - glad to have you on board! And I agree - there are loads of potential for this project. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Hi Antandrus, I've sent you an E-mail. Best wishes. Acalamari 23:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] chicago

64.107.3.126 has been brought to my attention, & I have softblocked for 2 weeks. If you want to hardblock or extend it to a range, do as you think best--I think you know this situation better than I do. DGG (talk) 01:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks!

		RfA: Many thanks
		Many thanks for your participation in my recent request for adminship. I am impressed by the amount of thought that goes into people's contribution to the RfA process, and humbled that so many have chosen to trust me with this new responsibility. I step into this new role cautiously, but will do my very best to live up to your kind words and expectations, and to further the project of the encyclopedia. Again, thank you. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Welcome back

Thanks! That does mean a lot to me; just browsing pages like RfA makes me feel a bit like a stranger--I don't know any of these people. I suppose it'll take a few days to get back into old habits, though judging by the dizzying speed of RC, I'll need to adopt one of those third-party edit monitoring tools if I'm to be of any use. But it's nice to be remembered, and likewise nice to see that you (and a few other veterans, judging by my watch list) have remained fruitfully active. Best, -- Hadal (talk) 05:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] M. D. Antani

Hi Antandrus! This is another suggestion from AFC. This man seems notable enough to me, but I wasn't sure. I've pasted the suggestion into my sandbox; could you take a look for me? [7] Thanks!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey, hi! It's nice to have a friendly message instead of the ... other kind (see recent history). I think that's a notable figure. WP:BLP issues but nothing that needs major rewriting. Maybe instead of "center of controversy", "has attracted some controversy" or just "has been a controversial figure". Good stuff. References appear to be strong. Acronyms need to be defined (IPS -- Indian Police Service? Public Service? former SP... maybe Google will help, I'm feeling dense). In general, there's an enormous amount of information that still needs to be written about India, which has the second largest number of English speakers of any country in the world ... sometimes when I have nothing else to do I find random pages linked to Indian cities and copyedit. Antandrus (talk) 02:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 02:13, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikibreak - Go!

Now this is what I call dedication to the project - [8] and then this [9]. You get out of here and enjoy your Wikibreak! If I had the tools I would temporarily block you (tongue in cheek, he he...) so you would have to get out of here and enjoy some time away. Now scat! JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 05:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:125.255.113.214

I turned this guy in for issuing a veiled threat against you. I actually clicked rollback unintentionally, but I reckon that was OK. He then issued an "FU" type comment to me, and now he's blocked for 3 months. [10] Just thought you'd like to know. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that one. Thanks for your help! Antandrus (talk) 04:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Friendly greeting

Hi, Tandrus? How's everything?

[edit] my RfA - Ta!

[edit] User talk:71.107.140.86 - oops

Sorry, I forgot that deleting the page would clear the protection. ~~ N (t/c) 21:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem ... it actually would be nice if they'd add a checkbox on the protection dialog ("retain protection if page deleted"). I forget about that too. Thanks for your help! Antandrus (talk) 21:54, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back!

Good to have you back here, Antandrus! I hope you enjoyed your wiki-break. Sorry, if this is a little soon after you've returned, but I'd like to know if you think this recent suggestion from AFC is notable for Wikipedia? [11] Thanks!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 23:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that looks great! Real places pass notability, and the first reference I looked at checked. Thanks for the warm welcome back ... it's a delightful contrast to the message that preceded yours. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 00:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much, and also you're welcome very much!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 00:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IP addresses

GRP. That would be "George Reeves Project"? I thought that lunatic had been dispatched a couple of years ago. Do you want to block the latest IP, or would you like someone to turn it in at AIV? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 01:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one. I am so sick of him I can't even tell you. All I want to do is help write an encyclopedia, and that obsessed maniac has been harassing me for two and a half years. It's absolutely beyond my comprehension how anyone can be so utterly hateful. I could use some help; I can't fight this lunatic entirely by myself. Antandrus (talk) 01:32, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there anything about the IP's that he uses that could help block him more broadly? Is there a "list of sockpuppets" anywhere? (I'm comparing this with the User:Ron liebman case.) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 04:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't see the list of sockpuppets, as I am not an admin, I just find myself gravitating toward that kind of work (a job I would not want, though). E-mail at present would not work as I am on the road. I'll get back to you sometime next week about that. What I recall about this guy was that he was fixated on two things: George Reeves conspiracy theories, and the political leaders of Croatia. He seemed to be a Slavic immigrant, as his English sounded like it, although with characters like that you never know but what it could be a put-on. I thought Liebman was persistent until this GRP guy came up again. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point. It seems like constant vigilance is required, by more than one admin. There are many cases of banned sockpuppets out there. What's the normal procedure for monitoring those? I know there is a heightened awareness and attention toward them, but I'm not sure of all the details. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 05:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he seems to have started around December 22, 2005. This is one of his first edits, under a user named Vesa. [12] Later that day he started in on George Reeves, and sometime soon after he switched to a user called "Projects", which is why I thought GRP meant "George Reeves Project". Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

If he's a long-term socker, he probably knows more than enough tricks to stay a step or two ahead of the hammer. HalfShadow 02:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

The one called Gildyshow actually turned up the previous day. [13] He used both user ID's until both being blocked in early 2006. I don't recall if anything else came up in the Reeves article after that. I do recall that he was obsessed with some article about a Croatian President or something like that. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Projects turned up on the 28th [14] and was similarly blocked in early January. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't find the stuff about the Croatian leader, and I'm not real sure I want to try at this point. Too many bad memories about this character. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:58, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Amen to that. Another sock was this, as is this. Franjo Tuđman was the Croatian leader. He must have tens of thousands of edits, even after being banned: pick any of the 2048 IPs associated with the Chicago Public Library at random, and you'll probably find a string of his edits. Sometimes he goes quite nuts, as evident in this spectacular history. Antandrus (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Holy crumbs! That guy is still around? I just popped in to see how you were doing... clearly the George Reeves guy has outlasted me. And he even got Jimbo's attention at one point or another. Mak (talk) 00:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Boy is it ever great to see you! (neat coincidence with title of next thread). Yes indeedie on that one. He needs help of a kind we can't give, so eh, I just block him when I see him harassing someone, but otherwise I'm just going to ignore him now. -- Miss you around here! How are you doing? Antandrus (talk) 00:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Man, is it ever great to see you!

'Nuff said. It is simply great to see you whacking the vandals. The former Lucky 6.9 now known as --PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• My friend, you have made my day. I gave back the mop and bucket due to some really bad actors around here who, quite frankly, are psychotic. I can't say anything good about them. Thankfully, the really nasty users seem to have moved on. I do some work on smaller wikis as a bureaucrat and/or administrator, but I don't wnat to tempt fate by taking it back here, believe me. I've thought about asking for it back since I left in good faith, but the more I think about it, the more I don't want it. I'm happy to do some "whack-a-vandal" tagging and bagging and to occasionally add to or fix articles. Welcome back, bro! --PMDrive1061 (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Andrea Antico Croatian?

Have a look here: [15], Andrea Antico is the name of the Italian Community of Montona/Motovun! Please, show me ONE WORD wrote by Antico in croatian!

---> Prof. Josip Andreis ("Music in Croatia", Zagreb, Institut of Musicology-Academy of Music, 1974) took over the 'Croatization' of the name of Andrea Antico from the Zagreb scholar Lovro Zupanovic, but admitted his claims are non generally accepted even among other music historians in Zagreb. In fact, the "Muzika Enciklopedija" (Zagreb, 1971) mentions Zupanovic's claims (under the entry 'Antico') more as an oddity than an established fact. See also: Bojan Bujic, "Music & Letters", Oxford University Press, LVI (34), 441 (1975), p. 441.

Now, I'm waiting for your apology (and sorry for my poor english)--Luigi 28 (talk) 20:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry I wasted my time writing the article. I should have just left the space empty so Italian nationalists wouldn't have had to waste their time removing information about those evil Croatians. Antandrus (talk) 21:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

If you've got any involvement at all with articles about Croatia, that could explain why the GRP guy is after you. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

LOL, I don't, that's the funny part ... as far as I remember, Antico is the first article I've ever written that has any Croatian connection at all (well, maybe one other another obscure musician but if I mention it another sockpuppet will find it!) Istria was under Venetian control in the 16th century, and it's remarkable how modern-day people still argue over whether someone born there was "Italian" or "Croatian".

Luigi, I hope you understand why I find it upsetting when I spend a lot of time researching and writing an article, and someone comes along just to argue about someone's ethnicity or nationality. You do understand, yes? Antandrus (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

It's good that you can find a funny part. If you can find it, I'd be interested to see the first time you encountered that character. I just wonder how you got onto his radar. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 21:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Istria was under Venetian control in the 16th century?!? The coastal areas and cities of Istria came under Venetian Influence in the IX century! It became definitely the territory of the Republic of Venice in 1267.--Luigi 28 (talk) 07:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What are you trying to do? The note you added to Andrea Antico only makes sense if you include the Croatian name of Antico, since that what Andries is writing about. If you remember, you came to the article to object to the phrase "of Croatian birth" which is well-sourced -- to Martin Picker's article in the New Grove. I don't even know his "Croatian" name; it's not in the Grove article. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 13:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well-sourced? Picker is NOT a primary source (firsthand written evidence of history made at the time of the event by someone who was present). Picker is NOT a secondary source (written accounts of history based upon the evidence from primary sources. For example a history book drawing upon diary and newspaper records). Picker is only a tertiary source: compilations based upon primary and secondary sources. So the question is: who is the Picker's source? --Luigi 28 (talk) 22:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

He's one of a tiny handful of world experts on Antico, which is why he was invited to write the article for the New Grove. That's how it works: you achieve the position of most-respected expert on Topic X, and they ask you to write the article on Topic X. It's the New Grove. Have you ever heard of it? Here's a couple of his publications on Antico: "The Motet Anthologies of Andrea Antico", A Musical Offering: Essays in Honor of Martin Bernstein, ed. E.H. Clinkscale and C. Brook (New York, 1977), 211–38; and "The Motet Anthologies of Petrucci and Antico", Formen und Probleme der Überlieferung mehrstimmiger Musik im Zeitalter Josquins Desprez: Wolfenbüttel 1976, 181–99. Thanks, and have a nice day, Antandrus (talk) 22:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I repeat: who is the Picker's PRIMARY SOURCE? Where are the ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS about Antico?--Luigi 28 (talk) 06:56, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Luigi, we don't do primary sources here. See Wikipedia:PRIMARY#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources. We report what others have written. I'm reporting what Martin Picker, the world expert on Antico, wrote in the New Grove. Beyond that I can only speculate. What was Antico's native language? I don't know, and it is probable no one knows. The best we can do is report where he was from: and since throughout his life he was "da Montona", and seems to have made a big deal of his origin, it is reasonable to do it the way Picker does. The first thirty years of his life are a blank. This is the way it commonly is for Renaissance figures; and we report what is known, as given by others, without doing original research. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 13:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"What was Antico's native language? I don't know, and it is probable no one knows. (...) The first thirty years of his life are a blank" ---> BINGO! So... who can say that Andrea Antico was "of Croatian birth"? The note from Grove online is a FORGERY!--Luigi 28 (talk) 18:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

So what exactly is your claim? Why are you haranguing me so much? Are you claiming that Antico was of "Italian birth"? Antandrus (talk) 18:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Never said that. But - I repeat - the note from Grove online is a forgery. Prof. Picker made a mistake.--Luigi 28 (talk) 21:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Then take it up with him, not with us. Until he acknowledges his "mistake" we dutifully report what he says. We are peons, he's the fount of knowledge. Ok?

Right, now please take your petty nationalist grievances elsewhere. We don't care about this composer's nationality, and the less we have to waste time discussing it, the happier we'll be. Moreschi (talk) (debate) 21:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Petty nationalist grievances? Don't you care about the correctness of the voice "Antico"? Prof. Picker is the only one source you know? I 've read: F.Dorigo, Andrea Antico in Istria e Dalmazia. Uomini e tempi, Del Bianco, Udine 1991; G.Gravisi, Andrea Antico istriano da Montona, in Atti e Memorie della Società Istriana d'Archeologia e Storia Patria, V, 1; V.Levi, Andrea Antico, in Pagine Istriane, 1950; A.Jeppesen, Die italienische Orgelmusik am Anfang des Cinquecento, Kopenhagen, 1943. Do you know Italian or German? Do you know ONE primary source about Andrea Antico? Do you know the Picker's source (a Zupanovic's study)?--Luigi 28 (talk) 10:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another suggestion from AFC

[16] I liked that it has so many sources provided, but I'm not sure if the context reads like an advertisement or not. What do you think? The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 00:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's notable, and looks good. Probably a few minor wording tweaks would help it sound less "promotional." One quick way to NPOV it would be to add a sentence or two about its competitors: see Pharmacophore#Pharmacophore_Modelling_Software (just stating that they exist, and that they do similar things, would do the trick). Nice work, and happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 01:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Great work

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		I hereby award you this Barnstar for your quick, but cool-headed interaction against the vandalism committed by User:DNA to RNA →Christian.И 19:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Christian! I similarly appreciate the work you did at the same time (along with PPG). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 19:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GIMP

I saw you were listed at WP:HAU, and that you indicated "images".

I'm looking for an experienced GIMP user. Or an experienced graphics designer willing to download and learn the GIMP (it's free, and its multi-layer file format makes collaborating on artwork easy).

Are you one?

The Transhumanist    00:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Greetings! I've never used GIMP, but it's on that vague and endless list of things I want to do someday. I'm tolerably ok with Photoshop. What I can do decently is make maps, using GIS software -- you can see some examples at my oilfield and wilderness articles (Dick Smith Wilderness, Coalinga Oil Field, for example). I'm an ok photographer. Otherwise I'm not really a graphic designer. What kind of thing did you need? Antandrus (talk) 03:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

A few mouse clicks later, I figured out what you need (I presume what you discuss on RyRy5's talk page is what you are looking for). I'm probably the wrong person for this. You might get some help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Graphics where there would doubtless be some expert users with GIMP or other image-editing programs. Good luck and best regards, Antandrus (talk) 03:50, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

And here's something else I just found: Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Graphic artists.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips.

By the way, it appears the globe stand was from a copyrighted image.

This means we're back to square one.

We need to either find another globe stand, or come up with a new idea altogether for the "Wikipedia World Traveler" award.

I have no idea what it should be at this point. (I'm still in shock from the last 3 weeks' of effort being zilched).

I look forward to any ideas you might have.

The Transhumanist    00:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: I started using GIMP about a couple weeks ago, and it was similar enough to MS Paint that I found it immediately useful.

[edit] WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

After reading your essay about behavoir and such, I just wanted to say that I hope I can one day do as much good as you have. Thank you, so much. Leonard^Bloom (talk) 03:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind comments! appreciate it! there's plenty of good stuff left to be done around here.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Okeedokee! I'll get right on it. (Not really actually, I meant that figuratively. I'm actually working on something in the real world) Leonard^Bloom (talk) 03:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the most certain way to keep from going crazy around here, is to do exactly that -- have interesting projects in the real world. I think the most successful Wikipedians over the long term are those who keep encyclopedia-writing as a hobby, and have their main gig elsewhere: somehow it's more fun then, and easier to keep coming back to. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

That actually makes sense, because recently I've found myself... almost addicted to editing. I almost could find a moment where I wasn't thinking "What if I... no that'd be reverted" or "I need to learn how to format this..." Leonard^Bloom (talk) 03:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User page

Thanks for the revert. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 15:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! I see that particular troll didn't last long. As a penance I'd assign him litter clean-up in Cambridge Bay round about January. Antandrus (talk) 15:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] By far the best one...

this is my favorite to date. Spot on. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Actually I liked your "AN". Iridiscent has done some amazing ones too, as have the page owner and RobertG. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 20:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Creationism2

Template:Creationism2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Neelix (talk) 20:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kathleen L. Lodwick.

Hi again, Antandrus! This time, I've got another one from AFC: [17] Do you think she's notable enough for Wikipedia? Thanks in advance!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 04:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Your message

Hi Antandrus, I have to repeat with you that for every single word I wrote in Wikipedia I can show one, two or three source(s) (more books than links). If you see, every time (with only two or three excepions) I wrote something, in few minutes another one (User:DIREKTOR) reverted my work, every time (except you) without any kind of explanation, except: "You are a banned user". For me, this is a real, incredible, personal war that two users (also [User:AlasdairGreen27]) play against me. I've never, never banned in my life from mailing lists, groups, clubs and so on. Thank you for your message and best regards.--Luigi 28 (talk) 07:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)