User talk:Antandrus/Archive17

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Archive 17. 24 October 2006 to 30 November 2006.


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[edit] Re: Smile

My pleasure! :-) KrakatoaKatie 08:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thankyou!

Thanks for shooting down Stalinslovechild, I would offer you a barnstar, but I think this is a bit better: It's people like you that make Wikipedia great. Thanks again. HawkerTyphoon 16:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Hawker, appreciate it. Happy to help. Antandrus (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indef of SLC

User talk:StalinsLoveChild#Harassment is probably something that you need to explain, given that it seems to be a little bit too complex for anyone else. Seems like the lawyer type, too... Cheers, Daniel.Bryant 11:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I answered on your talk page and on AN/I. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mail

you have some mail (male?), should you choose to accept it. Mak (talk) 17:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of female composers

I've just moved the list back out of my userspace. If you would cast your keen eye on it, with a particular mind to the whole floruit business, I'd appreciate it. Mak (talk) 23:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! You're the best! Mak (talk) 00:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hum. The List of Renaissance composers seems to be arranged by "first" name, without regard to quality of name. I guess since I'm not willing to re-order the entire freaking list right now, I should just follow that somewhat random ordering? Mak (talk) 01:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I hate that ordering. Somebody just went and did it and I let it go with a sigh and a "whatever." I think it should be by date, like it used to be, or at least by century and surname (though as you get back beyond the 16th century, you have to decide if a "surname" is significant or not). It could also be by century and geographic region (Italy, Portugal, Spain, Low Countries, Burgundy ... but even that gets really complicated in the 15th and 16th centuries) Antandrus (talk) 01:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I think we should do it by social-security number! ...maybe not. I think birth year might be best. I think with countries/areas we might get some annoying POV pushing and fighting. Maybe not, but whenever you put country in the mix you can get some surprising results. Mak (talk) 01:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, is there any reason that all the years on the List of Baroque composers are linked? That's generally one of my least favorite things for people to do. Well, not really, but it does seem pretty silly to link all those years. Mak (talk) 01:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

That's one of those changes in Wikipedia culture that I've noticed in the last year or so. We used to link dates all the time, now almost no one does. I think they should come out--after all, what the heck good do they do? Antandrus (talk) 01:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I thought there might be a secret-wiki-reason, that I still hadn't figured out after all this time. Mak (talk) 01:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Ooh! But I almost forgot that I have a magic date-link-removing script, which meant that that edit just took practically no time! Yay! Mak (talk) 01:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Cool! Do it to Renaissance composers too if you feel like it.  :) Antandrus (talk) 02:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Done. Arr! Every list is in a different order! The 20th century composers list is alpha, but my alpha version has absolutely everyone in it. What a freaking pain. Mak (talk) 03:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. I'm thinking about ways to do the ordering automatically. I could do it in a couple of different programs -- search for first occurrence of "1" in the line, pull next three characters, put into numeric field, order by ... that kind of thing. I have better tools for this on my PC at work. Doing it by hand is ... uh ... about as much fun as ... pick your metaphor based on worst childhood memory.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:UW help

Hi Antandrus,

You recently showed some interest with the user message and template harmonistion program. We will be starting the actual changes, we hope within the next week. But prior to that, what we would like from yourself is instead of an evening of vandal fighting or patrolling recent changes, you monitor the RC page for those actually doing the reverts and leaving user page messages. This may involve red wine as you see fit, I'll be quaffing a glass or two for certain this evening. We would like to make as many people aware of the fact that the templates they use are going to change. If you could seek out the RCP's and Cut n Paste the following message to their talk page that would be appreciated, or reworded as you see fit. Cheers. Khukri (talk . contribs) 09:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


==Upcoming template changes==

Hi, I've just noticed that you recently left a templated userpage message. I'm just bringing to your attention that the format and context of these templates will be shortly changing. It is recommended that you visit [[WP:UW|WikiProject user warnings]] and harmonisation discussion [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_user_warnings/templates|pages]] to find out how these changes could affect the templates you use. We also would appreciate any insights or thoughts you may have on the subject. Thanks for your understanding. Best regards ~~~~

[edit] John Dowland and...Sting?

Ok, my grandmother just sent me Songs from the Labyrinth. It's really...weird. It's almost not terrible. I mean, I think it might not be terrible. Then again, it might be. The lutenist has his moments, but I'm really opposed to the multi-tracking of Sting's voice in stuff like "Fine knacks for ladies", it's really just creepy sounding. I don't really understand that. Do people really think they are so good that they need to sing every part? Why? I also don't understand the spoken bits. Paul Hillier does that on some of his recordings as well. I guess they're supposed to give a feeling of mileu... but once again it just sounds to me like someone likes to hear themself too much. Sting's vowels are really strange, I can't quite put my finger on it. I guess part of it is that he lengthens all the diphthongs and uses reflexive rrrrs. Basically, I really do think Dowland's music was meant for singers whose voices were singer-ly, although it's hard to know what that really meant at the time, but Sting definitely sounds like he's been smoking a few packs of cigarettes. I'm also not particularly excited by his text interpretation, although I can imagine a lot worse. Really, it's just weird. Weird that he did it, weird that my grandmother sent it to me, and weird that I'm listening to it. I'm not hating it as much as I expected though, although I did hope for a little more original text interpretation or something.

hm, sorry for the stream-of-consciousness thing on your talk page, I thought you might be interested though. Mak (talk) 22:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Very very interesting. I think what's admirable is just that people take risks like that; most of the time the results will be crappy, but it's good to see the creativity at work; once in a while a "crossover" artist does something worth hearing. Do you remember a recording the Hilliard Ensemble did a few years ago -- lovely Renaissance polyphony, and then after a minute or so a soprano saxophone starts improvising? The first time I heard it I thought someone had turned my TV on in the background. Oh, and didn't Linda Ronstadt record opera arias once? (iirc, it was ghastly) And then there's Florence Foster Jenkins ... but she wasn't a pop sensation I suppose. Antandrus (talk) 23:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I suppose it's good to take risks. I'm not sure about Florence Foster Jenkins, though... I think maybe she was just delusional. Oh dear, I just listened to one track where it sounds like he's beating his archlute (looks more like a theorbo, but whatever) with a large heavy stick. Also, he committed what I think is sacrilege to "Flow my tears" by having the lute come in about three measures late. I don't think I've heard the Hilliard ensemble/sax album. Which one was it? It's nice that a wider audience might hear Dowland, I just wish that they could hear it done a bit better. Better doesn't have to mean more traditionally, but frankly I expected him to add a bit of excitement and energy to songs which have a tendency to become rather languid and sleepy in the wrong hands, but he only managed to make them sleepier, and then cruelly abuse his instrument (it's not being beaten in a nice way-I can hear it crying)
Ok, so I sort of doubled back on myself, calling his treatment of "Flow my tears" sacrilege while wanting him to do something more exciting. I don't know what to say about that, except that "Flow my tears" is one of the more perfect songs ever created, and it's silly to mess its basic structure unless you're going to do something really awesome, which he didn't. Mak (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Poor lute. Poignant; they're so quiet, they suffer so, accompanying awful singers, and then they get beaten besides. --I also think "Flow my tears" is one of the most beautiful things ever written. I just noticed that Wikipedia has an article on the Philip K. Dick novel based on it, but not on the song itself. What??? Guess we're not done yet ... :) Antandrus (talk) 23:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
If you can learn to love all the Dellerisms, my Alfred Deller Dowland is quite good fun. Deller died the next year, poor bastard. It's probably a lot better than Sting. Moreschi 09:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't know if I'd even be here, if it weren't for Alfred Deller; he was one of the first "early music" singers I'd ever heard, and one of the most impressive. We've come a long way, in interpretation of old music, since then, but still some of those early recordings are amazing. (Don't bother with his Pérotin though.) Antandrus (talk) 12:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
His Purcell songs, though, is amazing [1], as is his Oberon in Britten's Dream, on the Modern front. Moreschi 12:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah yes, I do have a certain place in my heart for Deller, as well as Purcell, of course :) So, on the subject of the redlink, I think I'm going to write an article, and I can't decide whether to have it at Flow my tears or at Lachrimae and have it be a bit broader in focus. when I was looking it up in Grove, I made a typo and wrote "Flow my teats" :P. Also, I'm trying to decide whether the recording from my recital is good enough to post. People have done it worse, but people (including myself) have done it far better. Maybe I can upload it here secretly, and you guys can tell me whether you think it's worth it. (i.e. whether this particular not-so-great version is better than none) Mak (talk) 17:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd say "Flow my tears" and have "Lachrimae" as a redirect (specially as Sting seems to have listed it as "Flow my tears", which is now what most people will expect). If you want to use me as a preview for the recording, that fine by me. Moreschi 17:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I believe the name of the song is properly "Flow, my tears, fall from your springs", but "Lachrimae" is a book he published later, as well as a number of instrumental pieces based on "Flow, my tears". I'll put up a link if I can convert the recording and upload it. I'll do it here rather than on commons so I can delete it if necessary :P Mak (talk) 17:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

<<coming back after breakfast>> Wow, that's quite exciting indeed! I'm looking forward to it.
Are either of you familiar with the use of the tune in George Crumb's Black Angels? (wondering if that will light up blue or not). It's certainly a durable tune and concept, there used in the context of an anti-Vietnam-war piece. Antandrus (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Image:Flow, my tears.ogg
. Mak (talk) 18:04, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Nice! Use it.  :) Antandrus (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Can you somehow give me the Play in Browser option?? That's the only way these sound clips work for me: my computer seems pathetically unable to handle ogg. Moreschi 18:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I haven't figured out how to do that myself yet. I download the file and open it in iTunes (I use a Mac); it's the only way for me. (Maybe Makemi can help us ... :) Antandrus (talk) 18:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Flow, my tears

live performance
Problems listening to the file? See media help.

How's that? Mak (talk) 18:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Lovely! Radiant singing. Actually, I'd just figured out how to get it in the browser, which seeming as I'm a complete technofool I was quite pleased with. Too good for Wikipedia. Moreschi 18:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, then I guess I'll put it on commons. I keep getting interrupted, or I would have saved the silly article by now. OOOOh well. Mak (talk) 23:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Article: written, but kinda crummy. Mak (talk) 01:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it could definitely use more info. I'm sure someone will add the Sting thing. I've just had it up on my computer all day today, and keep getting interrupted, so I just wanted to save it already. Feel free to add whatever you like. I can't believe I can't find a facsimile online. I'll bet EEBO has it, but I don't have access any more, and they probably wouldn't appreciate us taking their images. But... what the heck is the point of public domain if you can't use any reproductions of stuff? Mak (talk) 01:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Yup, I know what a pain it is about the PD issue ... I suspect a lot of the stuff can be used, but don't want to be the one who tries first and gets it wrong. It might be worthwhile doing part of it in Finale (I always say I'll do stuff like this and never get around to it)
I keep getting roadblocked on my writing too; I'm trying to write the Josquin works section but am distracted by everything from football games to just wanting not to be sitting at a computer. Antandrus (talk) 01:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
lol, "User:Antandrus is politcally correct and watches football"! Wait... is there football on now? I guess so, since it's the fall. They play football in the fall, right? Mak (talk) 01:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, my IQ drops 5 points every time I do, but come fall, I do watch football. Various friends and family members love to make fun of me. "You WHAT???" The beer and chips reside next to the stack of musicology journals. Rah. Go Bears. Go, go, go. Rah. Antandrus (talk) 01:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Ech, you silly Mensans, you have IQ points to spare :)

Oh! It doesn't have any categories at the moment. Argh. And of course all of the categories are based on pop music, rather than art music, and the WikiProject song people are probably going to give me grief anyway, and want to put an infobox on it. Ok, I'm really whiny today. If a good category occurs to you, stick it in there. I'm going to try to make sense of them now. Mak (talk) 01:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a good question. You know, we don't have all that many articles on individual compositions from the Renaissance (and earlier) -- and I think we should. For example I'm considering redlinking every piece in Josquin's works list and writing articles on them (feeling a little like Kafka's Hunger Artist, but oh well). Start with a cat lute songs, then compositions by John Dowland, maybe. Anyway I'm glad we have the article now. Antandrus (talk) 01:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ant, you rock.

Thought it would be more fun to get really, really weird instead of hanging another warning template. However, this explains why I'm not a rapper. Yo. - Lucky 6.9 00:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Would you do anything about this

Or would you just figure it's some silly kid who will get sorted out eventually, and hopefully not too many people will come across the page and get too annoyed? Or would you MfD it? Mak (talk) 00:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh god. I wish the people who casually slap swastikas on their user pages would pick up a damn book and read about just who the Nazis were and what they did, or maybe even read the Wikipedia articles on the topic. 55,000,000 people died who did not need to die, due to the people who fought under that flag and symbol, and this kid invokes that most offensive of all insignia because he's pissed about USERBOXES.
Have I used the F-word yet on Wikipedia? Probably not. Just came close. Antandrus (talk) 05:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SB Courthouse Photos?

I'm going to write an article on the Santa Barbara courthouse. "The Courthouse has been called the most beautiful government building in America. Designed by William Mooser III, the Spanish-Moorish style building was completed in 1929, after the 1925 earthquake ruined much of the city. It occupies a square block in downtown Santa Barbara." Its one of the most important examples of California Spanish Moorish design. SB Courthouse Do you have any more photos of it which you could upload? Thanks Fairness And Accuracy For All 04:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: "Goldilocks" in the Philippines

Hello! I made a comment on the Philippine talk page, but I've thought of re-posting it here...anyway, I would just like to ask why "Goldilocks" was removed in the section about Filipino culture. There is a real Goldilocks fastfood/bakeshop chain here in the Philippines (just like Jollibee, Greenwich and Chowking), and it's found in most major cities in the Philippines. It also has television commercials and print ads in major TV stations and serial publications. And most children's party here in the Philippines usually have cakes that were ordered from Goldilocks. If an article (even if only a stub) needs to be created for this, I'll be happy to start researching about Goldilocks. --- Tito Pao 21:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for removing vandalism from my page :) --Ali K 22:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome! I want Wikipedia to be a friendly place. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For dedication to improving and expanding Wikipedia. Good job! Sharkface217 02:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
You are quite welcome.

[edit] How!?

How do i add myself to wikipedia?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick Johnston281990 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Why...

Actually, i do have a myspace, but i want to be known around the world, see, i am looking for new ways to present myself to the world for sponsors and stuff like that. I feel that Wikipedia is the perfect place for this... I hope you understand. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick Johnston281990 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Raimondi

Hi. I posted this on my talk page, but thought I'd better add it here too, in case you're not watching that. --Rbraunwa 03:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help out. I don't really know anything about him, except what I read in the article. But I try to add images when I stumble across them. Here's a web page you might find helpful. --Rbraunwa 03:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for blocking the vandal

While I was busy reverting his changes, I see you blocked him. Kudos for getting there before I thought about it. Bobo. 05:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was just one of the standard trolling types. Happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 05:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the user page revert. =) -- Gogo Dodo 05:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Happy to help; I want this to be a nice place.  :) Antandrus (talk) 05:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do you know anything about range blocks?

I think that's what we need for this Aaron Copland vandal fellow. Otherwise I guess we could semi-protect. Mak (talk) 18:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, Xaosflux did it. Mak (talk) 18:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elgar edit war??!?!??

Hi there: This page (Enigma_Variations) seems to be going back and forth a lot between me and someone else; I have no idea why the other person wants to insist on his/her revision, which makes no sense. Suggestions? Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 20:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


Ant,

Could you remove your "delete" vote on "Brad Hines" entry as the criteria you sited has since been fixed?

kindly,

UtzChips--Utzchips 02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Ps. when I wrote "I own this photo, I meant on behalf of Brad Hines, I work for Yum Domains.--Utzchips 02:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal

  • Antandrus,
It appears an anonymous user, User:86.42.150.88, seems to presently be on a vandalizing spree. I've managed to revert his edits however I thought you might want to be informed regarding the message you left on his talk page. MadMax 04:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anon complains about my editing of the Ed Kavalee article

What are you basing your knowledge on when editing the Ed Kavalee page?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.72.210 (talk • contribs).

Answered on your talk page. Basically, your addition of libel. Antandrus (talk) 05:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you...

...for you support of my recent RfA. If I can ever be of any service, such as taking a fresh look at an article from a different angle, do not heistate to let me know. BTW, what was your fave hot dog stand in the tri-state/kyova area? Personally, I am a Sam's man. Cheers. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 18:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The Hebrides

Thanks! It's a great piece, definitely. Flcelloguy (A note?) 03:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maybe I Am Making Too Big A Deal Out Of This

But User:LDBlackmore seems to be doing nothing but spamming and possibly copy/pasting. (He's posted 3 - 5 MASSIVE bios of people in one evening) with small sources. I'm thinking perhaps he should be warned to at least slow down and site notability? And at the very least, stop marking all his articles with his username at the bottom of pages? -WarthogDemon 05:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Skyline Chili counts...

It sure does. We have on in Russell, KY now, too. BTW, you can order it online through Skyline's website. Pricey, but soooo worth it. Cheers. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 23:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] November Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] Hey Ant

Cute block summary :-) Mak (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

--- IN RE: US PATENT AND TRADEMARK OFFICE ---

     SINCE WHEN IS THE USPTO "SPAM"?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulbracegirdle (talk • contribs).

Never said it was. We have a policy prohibiting commercial links, which yours was. Those are commonly referred to as spam. Thanks, Antandrus (talk) 02:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Bull

I see you quite rightly demand a source for Bull's alleged espionage activities. This can be found in Leigh Henry's biography 'Dr. John Bull' (Herbert Joseph Ltd., no place, 1937), chapter VII (pp. 153-170). Unfortunately I have no idea how to place citations in Wikipedia, so I hope that someone more knowledgeable may be able to do this for me... Nick Michael Nyon, Switzerland

Answered on your talk page. Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 22:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks indeed: I have inserted the page numbers successfully! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yellow Lion (talk • contribs).

[edit] Remember that template?

Remember that template? That that kid made? That basically said "This article sucks"? I really want to put it on Successful project. Mak (talk) 03:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I see what you mean. LOL! Antandrus (talk) 04:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] request for advice and/or admin action

A number of socks appeared during the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brad Hines affair. I tagged them and made an evidence page. To me, they were obvious, however, the reviewing admin archived the evidence page with the note "This should be taken to WP:RFCU."

I am a little reluctant to take the case to RFCU because the top of the page asks "Does your request belong here? and gives guidelines for the answer:

Obvious, disruptive sock puppet Block. No checkuser is necessary.
Disruptive "throwaway" account used only for a few edits Block. No checkuser is necessary.

I may have given too much evidence on the evidence page, or the admin may have been confused by my inclusion of a meatpuppet on the evidence page (unnecessarily because the account was blocked anyway) , or it may be that there are special reasons for RFCU that I don't understand in this case. I left this note with the reviewing admin, but have not heard back, and he/she seems to be off line. My question is, how I should proceed. Should I file RFCU? If I do take it to RFCU, which code shoud I use? Should I instead refile an evidence page with the "obviousness" highlighted and the one meatpuppet removed from the list? Could you just review the evidence and block? (For the executive summary of the case, see this note). Thanks for your advice and/or action in this matter. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 11:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, I remember that. I'll try to have a look at it when I'm home from work, since it may take more than a couple minutes. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 15:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ravel page

Hi there! You probably already know this, but FYI there's a minor little tempest brewing on the Ravel page about modes and scales. If you would be so kind, please let me know if my comment makes sense. Merci! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Here we go

Oh dear, why did I sign up for this? I feel like I'm about to point my ship into a giant storm for no good reason. Wish me luck, and maybe add it to your watchlist? Cheers, Mak (talk) 16:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Oy, I'd be nervous. It's now on my watchlist.  :-) Antandrus (talk) 17:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category for articles created

HI! Considering my contributions, i wonder if it is ok to create a category for adding the talk pages of articles i have created, much in the same way as Category:Medieval warfare task force articles, possibly naming it "Category:Articles created by User:Striver"? --Striver 17:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. But I'm utterly baffled by your reply here: [2] -- where did I suggest that admins are more "special" than other users? Huh? What?? Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA discussion! I appreciate you contributing your voice to the debate and its outcome. I hope how I wield the mop makes you proud. Thanks!


[edit] User Page Revert!

Thank you for reverting vandalism to my user page. I spent alot of time fighting vandalism. With all that stupidity and ignorance, it is always refreshing to see other wikipedians out there doing great things! It is much appreciated. Chris Kreider 02:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

You're very welcome! I like Wikipedia to be a nice place; user page vandals usually get shown the door pretty quickly. Antandrus (talk) 02:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Britten article

Hi there: Would you please take a glance at the latest edit to the Britten article, and then my comment on the talk page? What say you to my point? Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heinz oberlinger

from Kartcrazy in reply to your message on my talk page


Hi, the information was passed to me by my friend who is a semi-retired historian. He would have made the entry for wikipedia himself but he isnt really the computer type of person. I added a basic version of everything he had found out about Heinz Oberlinger to wikipedia. Hopefully I can find the time to add some more detailed information soon.

My friend and other historians have found the information by piecing together old pieces of scripture he found on a dig near the battle site. His main find was a box, in which were letters to and from Heinz Oberlinger, well preserved considering how long ago it was, certainly able to be read from. On translation is gave a rough describtion of him, tall, strong etc. The letters mention several times his agreement with Arminius, although unfortunatly, from the letter he couldnt establish the exact time when the agreement was formed. It detailed his plans for the battle and a few tactics he might employ. Whether he carried those particular tactics out or not, will hopefully become apparent soon as more evidence is still being dicovered, however these things if researched properly do take time. His name, which admittedly I haven't seen written down yet, was also included in the letters. I made an anglicised version of his name spelt phonetically. That was probably an error on my part, maybe im not cut out to be a historian.

I would assume you are writing this as you cannot find any references to it in any historical books. My friend is currently writing his own book on the entire subject but heinz oberlinger was his most major find, as I believe no one has ever discovered any mention of him before! Certainly he is never mentioned in any of the books i've read. It's got us quite excited I can tell you, we won't stop talkoing about anything else lol! Of course if you find any refences to him can you please let me know asap as both of us are quite keen on finding out what really happened and whatever refences, no matter how small, may well fill in a gap in the puzzle.

I put the information on wikipedia as I felt that, as the book isnt really progressing that fast, I should make a heavily abriged version to let people know the basic facts now rather than waiting for the whole book to be published. And also, to be honest, I think more people would read it if it was on wikipedia I was thinking that I could slowly add more information to the page as we got it, maybe a section about the evidence we've found and a section on what we think might have happened and perhaps a section on what we know for certain.

Out of interest is it within the rules to put a link to how to buy the book when it is eventually published on the heinz oberlinger page?

Sorry i've seemed to have gone on for ages, glad to see you're interested in my friends findings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kartcrazy (talk • contribs).

Wow! He found not only writing, in the proto-Old High German language, datable five hundred years earlier than the earliest securely dated Elder Futhark inscriptions -- but they were letters!! Buried in a box!! Imagine!! Have you reported this spectacular find to the appropriate universities in Germany? World fame belongs to you and your friend! Antandrus (talk) 01:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
More seriously, please become acquainted with our policies regarding no original research, verifiability, and reliable sources. Even if your friend really did dig something up, it couldn't be written about on Wikipedia until first published in a reliable, peer-reviewed source. Please add no more hoaxes. Thank you, Antandrus (talk) 02:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)


Look, the research is currently being carried out, he is currently documenting the evidence. I wrote the jist of what I understood from my friends phone message. I now understand that is not in the rules as it is original research and isn't in writing yet. I origianally wrote it as an unlinked page as the information was still due to be verified and I could add to it at my own pace but I was asked to put a link in which i did. By doing this it released the information too early, obviously a mistake. However I do not appriciate being called a hoax! I do not just make things up to delibratly mislead people! I also do not appriciate being laughed at before you even know half of what you need to pass judgement! I know my friend has put a lot of work into this and to judge it before you even know the facts is unforgivable. I merely gave the information he has gathered so far. There are many explanations for the evidence being found, some are crazy and some more sensible, if what you are saying is true then perhaps our early theory is wrong or perhaps i mis-understood (more likely.) Possibly there was another battle near there and the two men were drawing paralels between the two battles. I dont't know, Im not a historian, my friend is! When he knows for sure I'll tell you. Translating old languages is very hard indeed! He's sending it to a proper expert soon.

I will definitely inform you when my friends book is going to be published! Kartcrazy (talk)

Fair enough, I won't laugh at you. I will assume good faith that you have a "friend" who told you he dug something up at the site of the Battle of Teutoberg Forest. However listen to me: the earliest datable inscriptions in the German language are from several hundred years after that battle, and they are runes inscribed on metal: helmets, scabbards, brooches, fragmentary, and usually just single words. At the time of the battle, there is no reliable evidence that the Germans had written language at all, and they certainly weren't writing letters that they were burying in boxes. So your friend is pulling your leg. All right? Have a nice day, Antandrus (talk) 22:47, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] mail

Hey Ant, You have e-mail, I need a wikiality check. Cheers, Mak (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Too much? Mak (talk) 17:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gentle Reminder

[3] --BostonMA talk 02:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your thoughts. Regarding one-off accounts, I think the usual practice is just to block them. In this case, I think they just fell through the cracks. Regarding using RFCU to "out" the user, the only pay-off I see is this. Rather than having a bunch of "suspected sockpuppets of so-and-so" we would have a bunch of "confirmed sockpuppets of so-and-so". As mentioned before, these accounts are usually blocked anyway, and the puppet master has the right to remove the tag from his/her userpage after ten days. So it would seem that RFCU would really have value only if the puppetmaster causes trouble again, and denies that he/she caused trouble before. RFCU seems to be intended be used sparingly and as a last resort, and I'm not convinced the folks there would approve of RFCU "in case" the puppetmaster is abusive again. So, I don't intend to start a discussion on the RFCU page. (That, and I already have a number of discussions on my plate as it is). You of course are welcome to start such a discussion. I thank you again for your advice, and for the time you spent looking over the case. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 03:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I noticed (and reverted most of) Fatboy88's vandalisms to 4 articles. I was trying to figure out how to handle the {test} warning in a situation like that, but saw that you had given a final warning. He committed 2 of the 4 vandalisms after your warning, so I just wanted to give you an FYI. --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 04:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that. BTW - I noticed in the post below that you can not only use grok in a sentence, but you obviously understand its original context. You're my kind of editor :) --Doc Tropics Message in a bottle 05:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lol

I know... but that shared IP comment just took the cake! He obviously thought we'd ran an RFCU :) Thanks for letting me know  Glen  05:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes you just gotta shake your head... I dunno ... and it's the damnedest thing, Perosi is an interesting composer, but this guy just can't grok our policies. Antandrus (talk) 05:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for reverting vandalism to my user page. It is much appreciated! Chris Kreider 20:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Antandrus (talk) 20:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Cyde vandal

Poor guy missed out! I was just writing him a nice witty block summary telling him how we love and appreciate him... :)  Glen  01:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I do too - but do you remember that rash of complaints we (well, not "we" but others) were getting about "admin abusing blocking summaries" - they werent about "witty" ones so much (or Dragonfly would be first to be in front of the firing squad!) but I think freak did a fuck you and a couple of others PLUS everyone was riding that bloody WP:DENY wave too - so I thought I'd lay low... use some boring ones, then just when people think "that Glen's such an old stick in the mud..." I'll unleash an armory of wit and comedic skills the likes never seen before!!!*
Yippee!!  Glen  02:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*The likes that have never seen before... in Glens normal edit summaries - All claims made herein are subject to change. mainly due to a memory which has been compared to that of a particularly stupid goldfish... with alzheimer's... at least I think remember what they said... :)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks. I was thinking of responding because you're an immature homophobe. But I didn't. Mak (talk) 00:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ar, yeah, we should have one of those. Then, since it wouldn't be connected with specific people, it wouldn't be a personal attack page. Maybe. Sometimes I wish not everything on Wikipedia was on the permanent record. But that's just the way it works, and it's mostly a good thing.Mak (talk) 00:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for fixing my talk page!

I was busy reporting my new friend (both of his accounts) to WP:AIV -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 22:07, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit...

...to Josquin just reminded me of this one time I heard the entirety of "El grillo" done on recorders. Talk about dumb and annoying. It's kind of a cute piece when sung, but it does not work without the text. Practically the only piece of the period I can think of which that's true of. Mak (talk) 01:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Good point. That's a crazy idea. (For that matter, I cannot think of a single instrumental arrangement of it, and that's not true of Josquin's other chansons.) That part with the voices hocketing each other across the register would be pointless without the text.
Now on accordions ... :) Antandrus (talk) 05:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Stravinsky page

Hi there! There's a very odd-looking revision to the Stravinsky page, about mushrooms. I am very suspicious but do not know the facts here...care to take a gander? Let me know how off-base I am. Merci! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, well, RobertG seems to have fixed it (always on top of things!) but I have just found this unrelated oddity. On this page: [4] the penultimate sentence reads, "One can also borrow a narrow and difficult track leading to the road of Beni Mellal while descending the gorges from the "wadi el-Abid" by a canyon sometimes which one does not distinguish the bottom with nearly 600 meters." Do you have any idea what this means? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nymphes des bois redux

Funny, I was just about to tell you I had created a highly POV stub on this, and that you should promptly dive in and take all the POV out. I too find it intensely moving...in fact I have created in my own failing brain a list of pieces that pack that kind of punch in seven minutes or less. This is the one that got me thinking along those lines; I also include the only piece by Arnold that I really like, A Survivor from Warsaw. There sure aren't many others. Back in my NPR days I played it on the air the night that Bart Giammati (sp?) died. I've even been lucky enough to perform it once or twice. Au revoir! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 17:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nuper rosarum flores

And another one for your delectation. This is so much more interesting than what I'm supposed to be doing! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 18:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Academy of Louisville - More vandalism

See Red Bull Theatre History 17.08 13.11.06 and User_talk:199.72.185.34. You gave them a last warning 3 weeks ago and they've been at it again. GBH 18:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sarabande

Hi Antandrus, I found this contribution of yours very interesting: The sarabande is first mentioned in Central America: in 1539, a dance called a zarabanda is mentioned in a poem written in Panama by Fernando Guzmán Mexía. Apparently the dance became popular in the Spanish colonies before moving back across the Atlantic to Spain. Can you give a source for this statement? I would like to translate it and adopt it for the german article. - Thanks, and cheers from Germany --Mussklprozz 20:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your prompt help. :-) I have put your finding into the German Wikipedia, and mentioned you in the edit comment. --Mussklprozz 20:39, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some help please

The article Sleep Tech Inc. was nominated for deletion by User:Kinu on Nov 11 but I dont think he followed the correct procudure for nomination so it doesnt seam to have its AFD discussion page (I cant find it anyway:). An anon subsequently deleted the template and when I was on RC patrol I reverted the deletion. The user who created the article User:Mgarnes2 contacted me and said he wants to keep it but I'm not exatcly sure what to do cos I cant find the AFD nomination. So can you please help out? Thanks. --snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 02:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh Ok. I got it. Thanks for explaining it. Yeah I didn't know the diff between AFD and Prod. So I was wrong reverting. Sorry about that.
I guess I'll delete the tags and apologise to Mgarnes2 for putting the tags back. Thanks again for the help. --snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 03:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Argh.

I'm too cranky to deal with this. Mak (talk) 05:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ridiculous. The methodology was well worked out. I answered in the appropriate way. Antandrus (talk) 05:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Now it's been nominated for deletion. I have a headache. Mak (talk) 05:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
It's actually one of the best lists on the site. We'll see.  :) Antandrus (talk) 05:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Humph, he hasn't saved the AfD yet. Humph. I'm going to be growing a Humph soon. Mak (talk) 05:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

e-mail. Mak (talk) 06:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

oh. Read his and the one above. More mail. Mak (talk) 06:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gaylor Lakes!

I don't remember if I left a note about this before, but I love your photo of Gaylor Lakes. That's gotta be one of my favorite spots in the Sierra. hike395 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The ruins are the Great Sierra Mine, I love wandering back in there: if you go down from the mine, and up over the next ridge, you get a great view of the area around Mount Conness. I'm not sure if Gaylor Lakes are notable, but the Great Sierra Mine is (as history). I'm not super active in WP, but I can see if I can put something together. hike395
Found a pretty neat reference at Dan Anderson's web site: Ghost Mines of Yosemite. That area has a really interesting history, I think. hike395 18:43, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Another thing, now that I'm here -- I see you're an admin. Can we semi-protect Tundra? The reason why I bring it up is that it has months and months of vandalism bombardment. And, I just noticed that the vandals deleted 2 sections of the article and that remained unfixed for 2 weeks.. It's impossible to improve the article under this siege. What do you think? hike395 17:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! hike395

[edit] Two stars for you

← For all your contributions to music-related articles ← and → because you're just plain cool. → ;) —  $PЯINGrαgђ  Always loyal! 18:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

/me agrees that Ant is pretty cool :) Just got back from singing some monody. Nothing like trillos to get the vocal chords moving. Mak (talk) 04:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)



I keep meaning to write Le Nuove Musiche. I think I'm going to go to the Meetup. It will be my first, so I'm a little nervous, but the people who are going have good contribs on WP, so that's good at least. Mak (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Hunter

You're welcome, Antandrus. I've always found it both restrained and moving. Best wishes. Clio the Muse 06:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can I get an amen?

Talk:Frédéric Chopin#Nationality. I think this is the only page where I've ever bumped against the 3RR, which is strange because I don't even feel that strongly about Chopin. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think he's a brilliant composer, but I don't care that deeply about his birthdate or his nationality. Mak (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Gad, nothing worse than nationalist edit wars. I noticed that they used your suggested method to solve the problem at Nicolaus Copernicus (incidentally, where the same anon has edit-warred). At least Chopin wasn't born in Gdanskzig/Danznsk. (Have you read WP:LAME in a while? it's a hoot.) Antandrus (talk) 23:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, perhaps this is just my POV sticking its nose in, but I don't like drive-by nationality changes, declaring that someone is nationality A and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. I don't find a single-wrod description of nationality for international composers to be all that edifying anyway, so I'd personally prefer to keep it just with the longer description. Whichever. I think I'm just going to leave it alone, although it does bug me that the anon seems to have gotten their way by edit warring, and has not left a single message on the talk page, despite being asked several times. Mak (talk) 23:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Yup, it's irritating, but I'm also going to leave it alone. At least he's not assassinating any archdukes or anything. "Nationalism is an infantile disease; it is the measles of mankind." (Einstein, i.e. the scientist one)  :-/ Antandrus (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the time has come to radically shorten my watchlist. These things come in waves. Unfortunately, I always feel like I'm either spending not spending enough time administering, or not enough time creating content. It's pretty stupid, seeing as I'm a volunteer who doesn't get any recognition in either case, but that's how it is. Mak (talk) 02:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I recognize you. So does Google.  :) Whenever I'm feeling low about being unknown or underappreciated here, I just start googling the articles I've written. Hit one, hit one, hit one, ...
Regarding the watchlist, I trim mine to an even thousand. Certain things I make a point of not looking at right away, but letting some time go by. Antandrus (talk) 02:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hm, you do seem to be right, as usual, not all, but many, are #1, google-wise. I'm at 1300 for my watchlist, but I think a lot of those are redirects which have been added inadvertently, because I always forget to un-click the "add this page to my watchlist" button. BTW, I was curious, did you have any feelings about the Esperanza thing? I had some, but none were fully formed. Mak (talk) 02:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Oy, that Esperanza thing. Yet another of those periodic giant train-wrecks. It's deviated far from its original intent and become more of a social club than anything else, but I'm inclined to just leave it alone, since voting delete does more harm than good (in terms of making hard feelings) and the active members have already gotten the hint it needed reform. I signed up myself when it first appeared, but never really thought of a way to use the organization in any helpful way. Antandrus (talk) 02:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Oh, and Concerto etc. is only #2, but my sub-page is accidentally #3. I'm not sure what that means. Actually, I should go look up how Google indexes pages, to see whether it's because anyone else has looked at it or linked to it, or whether it's only that high because it's part of that hugh octapus-like monster know as Wikipedia. Mak (talk) 02:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think Google lets on exactly how they do it. Certainly the overall monstrous reach of Wikipedia is most of it, but exactly what goes first and why--dunno. Antandrus (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict! again!) Yes, that's always my concern when things like this crop up. It's hard to balance things which are of no use to the 'pedia, but make people who are ostensibly contributing to it feel happier, against things which are simply a distraction from the 'pedia, since they can look like the same thing. I think people should feel good about working on the encyclopedia, and should be allowed and encouraged to work on side projects and tangential things, but I don't think that people who are simply here to myspace in a wiki-format should use another site. Mak (talk) 03:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes... I use the same philosophy I use at work, managing a lot of people: it's fine with me to see people chatting, even playing solitaire, goofing off, surfing the internet, playing youtube videos, --as long as they are also, and mostly, good productive members of my division. When goofing off is all they do, it's time for them to go. Here, if all a user does is yak in the "coffee lounge" or fill user pages with boxen, or invent yet more frilliferous signatures, but contributes nothing to article space, that person needs to be shown the door politely. After multiple suggestions. I think that Esperanza is just a place people go to goof off now, and if we delete it there will just be another thing like it appearing: people are people everywhere and need a "social space", but within the project itself. Antandrus (talk) 03:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Precisely. The problem really comes, as I see it, when Esperanza becomes one of many possible cabals, with active members supporting each other for adminship, in deletion debates, etc. Esperanza is unlikely to become "Teh Cabal", but I can easily see it becoming a small cabal-ish entity. Mak (talk) 03:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, interesting point. On a related note, it always tweaks my suspicion-meter when I see too many successive !voters with excessively frilly signatures, wherever it is, especially if I haven't heard of most of them before. I don't really know where we should draw the boundary between goof-off-clubs/mini-cabals, and respecting the normal human need for a place to gather and chat. Antandrus (talk) 03:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Big favor

Antandrus, I have to run. If you're around, would you delete the images User:NickelodeonSlimeTime uploaded? I've already blocked him and deleted some of them. Thanks, Mak (talk) 22:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, great, him again. It's done. Antandrus (talk) 00:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Mak (talk) 05:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the reverts

Thanks for the reverts of my user/talk pages. I couldn't keep up with it. :) -- AuburnPilottalk 04:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Let me know if/when you want semi-protect to come off your user page, or to go on your user talk page. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 04:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I'll leave my talk page unprotected for now; I'd hate to deny a serious editor from being able to contact me; thanks again. -- AuburnPilottalk 04:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need some help with that mop

I posted a note on WP:ANI#WP:CHILD about an 11-year-old who put personal information on his user page, but I'm not sure if that's the right place for it. I'm actually not sure if there is a right place it. Would it be possible for you to delete the kid's user page to get rid of the page history? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 04:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. It's not like he posted his actual address or phone number, but that was way too much information about himself and his friends. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 05:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weird observation

Do you ever look at a new article, which obviously doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but you can't tell whether it's a vanity article or an attack article? Isn't that weird? Or is that just me? Mak (talk) 21:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you mean like this? [5] With that kind, there's no way to know ... but I've used the deletion log summary "attack/vanity", or something like it, several times. We need a word for that. Antandrus (talk) 21:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking more like this, but yeah. Mak (talk) 21:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
How about {{db-psychotic}}? Antandrus (talk) 23:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Munich

I'm wondering if you would be interested in joining WikiProject Munich Kingjeff 01:41, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] W. S. Gilbert

Thanks for your help with keeping this article vandalism-free. Good to know everyone will help out to protect all our hard work, letting in only the improvements =) Adam Cuerden talk 02:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! We'll probably b e hitting Arthur Sullivan or Gilbert and Sullivan next, but we're trying to fill in some of the important gaps in the plays and such first. Eventually, with luck, Wikipedia will be a wonderful source for everything Gilbert and/or Sullivan. It's getting there gradually - certainly the breadth is starting to fill in, but parts are still too shallow. Adam Cuerden talk 02:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Encyclopædia Britannica

This is a very minor point, but I saw you made this remark:

  • ligature is correct; it's not a US company [6]

Not that it necessarily has anything to do with the use of a ligature, but Encyclopædia Britannica Inc. has been a U.S. company since about 1920. (Or so I read on Wikipedia). Cheers, -Will Beback · † · 02:47, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NCV

I haven't vandalized for amonth and I didn't exactly thing the ambition thing was vandalism. I requests that you unblock BBIH, I will use that account only for good.

[edit] Why the reverts?

I dropped by the Truism article and was dismayed to see the truism reverted and replaced with some utterly boring one. 128.84.178.79 05:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

So, what do you think the proper adjective for

Image:Beauty, since you so much desire.ogg

? Erotic or bawdy? convo on my and Moreschi's talk pages. Mak (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh no! Not breast! Anything but that! Mak (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Oy vey, I swear this article will be the death of me. Mak (talk) 02:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
He's on three of the lists, according to Talk:List of major opera composers/ProofreadingOfData, I think that's not counting one list Folantin did by hand. Mak (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

A chantar m'er

My latest contribution, for Trobairitz. Mak (talk) 05:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Problems listening to the file? See media help.
Thanks. It's the first thing I've done for Wikipedia. Now I get to put 3400 stickers on mailings. 3400. Seriously. Mak (talk) 16:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] topyt

What doy ou mean, yopty? What's wrong with "Referneces"? :-) --RobertG ♬ talk 17:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

OLO!! ~~ ~~ {{unsinged|Aunt andrus|21 Novmeber 20006}}

[edit] Thank you

Image:WikiThanks.png Hi, I hit 10,000 edits the other day and to commemorate this momentous (?) occasion, I wanted to leave a note to the various people I've run into on Wikipedia that have made an impact on my time here. Many times I've seen your name as the blocking admin for vandals I've reported. Just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do around here. =) -- Gogo Dodo 05:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 16th century Italians

Hi there! You probably know about this/these already but just in case here's something FYI: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/arts/music/21odet.html?ref=music

P.S.: How do I figure out how many edits I have made? (Got to thinking about this in connection with a flower someone recently awarded you.) Not a big deal as I'm sure there aren't that many, but I'm curious. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 17:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SparrowsWing

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page. SparrowsWing 00:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Corsican22

Sorry,I'm new here.Please tell me how to get to other peoples talk pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Corsican22 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Corsican22

I just want to talk to my friend. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Corsican22 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Buddha image

I lurk the admin incidents page, and saw about your image issue. However, I noticed that you said lots of things link to it, yet nothign links there when i clicked the link you provided, and from there the 'what links here' link. You should probably update the link on the admin board to reflect the accurate name of the missing file, so a follow-up can be done? ThuranX 18:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Apropos of the same issue but much less substantively, I quite enjoyed this, for which alone I might confer {{The Barnstar of Good Humor}} were I not much too tired to write something particularly witty therein; you will have to settle, then, for a good ol' good on ya... :) Joe 06:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!  :) I was wondering if anyone would "get" the reference.... Antandrus (talk) 06:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

Just wanted to draw your attention to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musical works in unusual time signatures, thought you might find it interesting. Chubbles1212 20:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trolling

What do you mean by trolling? I don't see how you could have been thinking of me as trolling.--Must...edit...wikipedia 00:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trolling

Hi there; User:Must...edit...wikipedia may not know what trolling is; he has, as far as I can see, only opened an account today. He has posted a question on his talk page; do you want to answer it?--Anthony.bradbury 00:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I see that he has now contacted you directly, so forget that I spoke to you.--Anthony.bradbury 00:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm...you may be right...

Hi! Got three of the four days off, so I'm not complaining. Besides, I have a fun job.

I think I know who it is we're dealing with, here. I do believe that a block is warranted, know what I mean...? - Lucky 6.9 00:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I still think you're right. The pattern fits and a genuinely new user wouldn't start in with NPP and tagging speedies. Hell, I didn't even know you could do such things when I first started. If this isn't Maoririder, it would be a helluva fluke given the types of edits. - Lucky 6.9 00:14, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for reverting the uhhh... interesting picture on my user page. And for blocking the guy, too. =) -- Gogo Dodo 21:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome as usual ... and the picture is now in the big dumpster in the sky as well. :) Antandrus (talk) 21:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For future AfD's?

Perhaps this might lighten the mood for future AfDs and re-naming debates. Pretty funny. Mak (talk) 01:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That's hilarious! I'm probably the first person in history to pit Francesca Caccini against Giulio Caccini. Uh, oh, wait ... :) Antandrus (talk) 01:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
BTW, have I forced you to listen to the Credo from the Berliner Messe yet? Because you really should, because it's really pretty. Mak (talk) 03:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm close to 100% sure I've got it somewhere in my mountains of CDs, unless it's walked away with an ex-girlfriend, and I do love it. >>commences search<< Antandrus (talk) 03:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
There's a little taste of it on Amazon but it sounds really weird on my computer. Plus it doesn't have Ellen Hargis, who's brilliant on my recording. Mak (talk) 03:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Found it ... I've got the recording with the Estonian Philharmonic Chamber Choir and Tõnu Kaljuste.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I think I've heard that one but don't have it. Is that the arrangement with strings? If I remember correctly that one's pretty beautiful as well. Mak (talk) 03:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, there's definitely strings; it sounds like a chamber group, i.e. no more than ten or twelve total. There's no notes of any kind with the CD. The singing is stunning. Antandrus (talk) 03:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
LOL, I can't believe I left out my favorite movement. Mak (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
It's ok ... heh ... I can't believe some of the embarrassing mistakes I've put into some of the articles I've written. Best if I don't list them.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:31, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

No comment. Mak (talk) 01:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, I typed this colon, but can't think of anything to put after it I'm willing to put on the Wikipedia permanent record. Antandrus (talk) 04:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
You make an excellent point. Well played. Mak (talk) 04:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
e-mail. Mak (talk) 19:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I appreciate your quick reversion of the vandalism to my user page. Too bad some people have nothing better to do with their time than foul up others' work. Anyway, thanks again. --JFreeman (talk) 03:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! I do like keeping this a nice place. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 03:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] addLoadEvent

Hi, one of your user scripts uses the addLoadEvent( func ) function (see [7]). This function will be removed from MediaWiki:Common.js soon. Please modify your scripts to use addOnloadHook( func ) instead. —Ruud 18:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gullion's

I have proposed this article for deletion (if you care). --Brianyoumans 07:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Random

Did you see this Completely random user? I wonder what's up with that. I almost wonder if it's my baby brother or something. Mak (talk) 21:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, actually I did. You always wonder what is up with that ... Sometimes it's just a lurker/semi-troll who has decided to come alive. Lots more people read these pages than we even realize. Antandrus (talk) 21:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh dear. I'm pretty careful about what I write, but... it's weird to not know who all is reading it. Mak (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I know.  :( Everything is public here. Antandrus (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't be so confused if the comments had been mean/rude, then I'd just figure that I'd blocked them once, or deleted their article, but this... just weird. Mak (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
One of the weirdest things I sometimes see on Wikipedia is when someone blanks a page, and replaces it with something nice. I just presume it's someone who is ten years old. Antandrus (talk) 22:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

So... tempting... must... not... editorialize... "While Karamozov plays the archlute/theorbo quite nicely, Sting sounds like he's beating his with a dead fish," Mak (talk) 04:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm, if only you can find a review somewhere that says that ... every once in a while when I'm feeling cantankerous I open up Slonimsky's Lexicon of Musical Invective and add a few choice bits like that. Antandrus (talk) 05:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I feel like attempting to record something. Got any suggestions/requests? I've only got me, at the moment, so it has to be solo. I should see if I can find a review of that Sting thing, I think there have been some, but they mostly say "Whoah! Who knew!? Dowland! First Singer-Songwriter!" (clearly Sting needs to bone up on his music history, but whatever) Mak (talk) 05:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Did you every try multi-tracking? It would be great to have usable recordings of, say, Le Jeune chansons for high voices ... :) (now you're sorry you asked ... LOL ... ) Antandrus (talk) 05:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hm. As cool as I think mindspillage sounds on her multi-tracked bassoon, I tend to find multi-tracked voices creepy. See the above Sting thread. I might experiment with it, though, just to check out if I can do it. Mak (talk) 05:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Heh! I like multi-tracked voices. I do think it loses something to have all one voice rather than several different colors, but you should still definitely try it. (Says she who enjoys singing with herself, badly.) The Choral Public Domain Library has some interesting things to try singing through, if you're stuck for ideas. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 07:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your support

I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your every confidence in me at RFA, and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Cheers! -- nae'blis 00:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You started it!

By giving me awful ideas in conversation, if you recall. Good to see you, also! Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 07:13, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your scratchpad page...

Antandrus, please do not recreate this page, please do email me though to discuss the situation. It is complex and subtle, trust me...--Jimbo Wales 22:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I would have deleted it, but you did first. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I'm scratching my head looking at this. Every vote is to keep, and the closing admin decides the consensus is delete? Can I contest this? Chubbles 23:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Vandalism

Hi, Antandrus! I noticed a new edit on List of choirs that looks like minor junk to me, but I'm not sure what to do about it, so I thought I'd bring it to your attention. Would you mind checking it out? Thanks! Laurie Fox 01:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)