User talk:Antandrus/Archive12

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Archive 12, mostly April and May 2006

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[edit] Oh dear, I think I've been indignant

I may have veered too far towards attack mode, at User talk:Aussie Bob. It just seems soooo suspicious. Shenme 02:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not where I can recognize or track individual vandals. Rather upon seeing one obviously bad edit, I go back through the editor's 'contributions' and look at all the Top entries, if any are still remaining. Let's just say I often hit a rich mother load (sic). Shenme 02:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kusma's RfA

Hello, Antandrus! Thank you for your support in my recent successful request for adminship. If you ever have problems that you could use my assistance with or see me doing stupid things with my new buttons, don't hesitate to contact me. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 02:06, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weight loss

Watching recent events on the page, do you think sprotect is necessary? Let me know and I"ll take care of it. — Scm83x hook 'em 05:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Probably yes. He moves on to another page then, and then we have to figure out which one. We can keep shooting proxies until we run out of ammunition ... :-) Antandrus (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Great! Don't forget to list on the protected pages list. — Scm83x hook 'em

[edit] question about protection of articles

hello Antandrus,

it has been pointed out to me by nathanrdotcom here that the article Australia national football (soccer) team has lately been constantly vandalised by users such as here [1]. My question: shouldn't the article be put under a protection in that case? I noticed that you are a sysop as well, but I was wondering why you haven't done so yet or if there is a proper procedure or hurdles that need to be overcome first before locking? I am new to sysopship, that's why I would appreciate your help and insight, thank you. with kind regards Gryffindor 14:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC) ps: could you take a look also at this case here [2] and let me know what you think?

pschemp and I have commented here about the latter issue, just so everyone can follow conversation ;) — nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 15:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war at kriging, geostatistics

Hi, Antandrus. There's been somewhat of an edit war at kriging and geostatistics with User:JanWMerks. I noticed that you chimed in early on, but I seem to be the only person trying to communicate with Dr. Merks.

I've been trying to point out the central tenets of Wikipedia: NPOV, verifiability, no original research, but it hasn't seemed to help much.

  1. Are my edits and comments reasonable, do you think? I've been trying to find verifiable material to try to represent Dr. Merks' views, but doesn't seem to be enough --- the same original-research material keeps getting rephrased and inserted again and again.
  2. Would it help if someone else tried to communicate or help out? Could you help?

Thanks! -- hike395 21:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S., for more background, you can see Dr. Merks' web site at [3] hike395
Thanks! Any help you can provide will probably make things less stressful for both myself and Dr. Merks. -- hike395 22:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Help! I don't think I can stay cool much longer, if I have to do all of the reverting and explaining by myself. Should I go to a general WP:RFC on the articles? I hate to make a big scene, but this is really adding enormously to my Wikistress. -- hike395 18:03, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

P.S., see my latest explanation at User talk:JanWMerks. -- hike395

[edit] The proxy scanner

I know its down, the server is down, (well, at least its not responding) - hopefully it'll be back within 8 hours or so -- Tawker 05:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Update: It should be back up now, I'll triple scan those two though I think its best to AGF there too :) -- Tawker 23:10, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup invite

Thanks for the note, but I had a prior commitment that day. Maybe next time! Jokestress 18:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guillaume Costeley

Do you know what are the historical source about à birth in Fontanges en Auvergne ? I have always heard and red that Costeley was born in Pont-Audemer (Normandy) - that is, the same town where I was born myself ? Thank you. Gérard 22:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "NOTOC"

Do you know what "" is for in the Wiki source code of some pages? I think I've also seen "__NOEDIT__" or something of that format. I've gotten to know most of the markup in Wikipedia but there are some that I'm still not certain. Thanks in advance.—GH 22:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, does " 
__NOTOC__
" blank out sections? I just noticed it blanked the title and the word in my question.—GH 22:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks—GH 00:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lady musicians

A good looking essay on the Ferrara chicks (with Boobs!!) [4] by Mary Springfels, who's cool. Mak (talk) 04:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any reason to prefer the title Concerto di donne over Concerto delle donne (or Concerto de donne for that matter)? They seem to be roughly equal in popularity according to google and Grove. Is one archaic and one modern Italian? Mak (talk) 05:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm leaning towards Concerto delle donne as well. No particularly good reason. Mak (talk) 05:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Concerto delle donne probably needs better cats and fewer references (they're longer than the freaking article!). G'night. Mak (talk) 07:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Hey, thanks for the quick catch on my user page :-) --Calair 04:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of "Open vs Closed Encyclopedias" - Thank You

Dear Antandrus,

The article "Open vs Closed Encyclopedias" was a test project for our school. We (the students in the advanced current events) were claiming Wikipedia is very reliable and nearly as much as Britannica. Our teachers liked the old books on the shelves more and wanted us to conduct a test to see how it work would, we saying That they have people deleting articles, saying this is desputable, etc.

We therefore put together a really nonsense article, that made absolutely no sense, with the object in mind to get it deleted or marked in someway that showed it wasn't a reliable source.

Thank you - I believe this will allow us to continue to use Wikipedia as a student body, which every student in the advanced current event class said he or she used.

I would also like to know, is there a project that looks out for these types or articles, or are there a group or administrators who look out for them?

Sincerely, Kerry

Hi Kerry,
These kinds of articles are relatively easy to spot, and we get most all of them. I do a lot of "recent changes" patrol, and caught the edits by User:GLEE. as well as by 71.116.147.160; I looked at both the article and talk page, and after having a chuckle at the idea of 18th century Ancient Greeks, deleted the article. I think overall Wikipedia is fairly reliable. There are errors in it, of course, but the probability of running into deliberate misinformation is not all that high.
There's hundreds of people here who look out for "test articles" and vandalism; some are administrators (like me) and many more are not. Thanks for your note! Antandrus (talk) 14:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another User:Breaky McWind

Hi. User:Broken Winds seems to be an alternative incarnation of User:Breaky McWind, who you banned indefinitely[5] a few months ago. "Broken Winds", though inactive, probably should get the same treatment. More importantly, his user page should be deleted, or at least blanked, being an offensive (albeit indirect) attack on another Wikipedian. (I came across that user page via a defective search, was annoyed enough to investigate, and ended up here. I hope you don't mind.) —Chris Chittleborough 20:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes, I remember that one. Blocked as requested. It's an obvious attack account; I wouldn't be surprised if there were more around somewhere. Antandrus (talk) 20:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. "More around somewhere"? I'm sure you're right. Sigh. —Chris Chittleborough 22:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fighting Vandalism

Are there any other templates besides the ones stated on Wikipedia:Vandalism? I see that you've used a different one than the test templates there...or I might be wrong...

Anyway, I'd also like to inform you that Dieting has been vandalized by 64.40.62.159. I noticed that that ip has vandalized before.—GH 01:30, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blowing off steam

AAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAAaaaaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaaagggggghhhhhh!

sigh

There, I feel better now.

-- hike395 04:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at some cited material [6]. It's clear that this is a scientific feud that dates back at least 14 years, possibly more. I'm really uncertain how to handle this. -- hike395 06:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I've tried to reach out to Dr. Merks and ask if we can reach some sort of compromise. Let's see if that does anything. This editing back-and-forth is not accomplishing much of anything. -- hike395 06:32, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Ailip

Hi. FYI, I have blocked User:Ailip indef, as another sockpuppet on Piła. -- Chris 73 | Talk 18:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent: thanks. Antandrus (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Now that I have your attention

I'm a nice guy really. But getting blocked and banned for no reason by Heah is making me nuts. I have told the truth, followed wiki policy to the nest of my ability, but had to yell for help somehow. Is this how wiki treats new users? I'm very willing to discuss this with you, but this nonsense with blocking for no reason has got to cease. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.199.22.85 (talk • contribs) .

Vandalising his user page and talk page is not justifiable. Please stop it. Thanks. Antandrus (talk) 23:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] He is Risen!

Jesus Christ is risen today, Alleluia!
our triumphant holy day, Alleluia!
who did once upon the cross, Alleluia!
suffer to redeem our loss. Alleluia!

Hymns of praise then let us sing, Alleluia!
unto Christ, our heavenly King, Alleluia!
who endured the cross and grave, Alleluia!
sinners to redeem and save. Alleluia!

But the pains which he endured, Alleluia!
our salvation have procured, Alleluia!
now above the sky he's King, Alleluia!

where the angels ever sing. Alleluia!

-- Psy guy Talk 06:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Temporary halt to Kriging and Geostatistics edit war

Hi, Antandrus. Thanks for your help! I appreciate not being alone in trying to instruct people about NPOV.

Sadly, I think my attempts at trying to convince Dr. Merks to edit in an NPOV way have probably failed. See User talk:JanWMerks#We're just going in circles and User talk:JanWMerks#Gridlocked.

I'm not sure how to proceed. I think that the main articles at Kriging and Geostatistics have reached a reasonable NPOV state. (Can we remove the POV flag on Geostatistics, do you think?). Dr. Merks has made a couple of very POV articles: Spatial dependence and Sampling variogram, which I've labeled as such. I interpret his comments to mean that any attempt to make these articles NPOV would be reverted.

I could leave these articles as-is, becoming a strange POV wart in Wikipedia, labeled as such. I could try to list these on VfD (but personally don't like the VfD process). I could try to get more community input. What do you think?

(Personally, I feel like I've spent far too much time on this in the last 2 weeks.)

-- hike395 11:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

xx Sigh xx. Now Dr. Merks is blanking my comments on Talk pages, even after I've explicitly asked him not to on his talk page. See history of Talk:Tolstoy syndrome.

Isn't this considered vandalism under Wikipolicy? :-(

-- hike395 21:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Our friend is up to his old tricks, see history of Kriging and Geostatistics. Is it time for RfC yet? -- hike395 04:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't realize you were on Wikibreak. I should take a break, also -- I'm spending all of my time either 1) reverting vandalism or 2) reverting NPOV edits. WP seems to be going to heck in a handbasket.
One step that we can take before RfC is to post a comment to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, explaining what is going on (in neutral terms), and appeal for more expert editors to help reach a consensus. We would have to do this for an RfC anyway, so this can be considered a partial step. What do you think? Would you care to write it? (You may be able to write about it more neutrally) Or, I can write about it, either way. -- hike395 05:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sierra hiking

I, too, am looking forward to the hiking season. Although, we've had an enormous amount of snow in the Sierra --- we recently had a huge spring storm. I suspect this is one of those years where June hiking will be on snow, and July will be full of bugs.

I haven't been on the High Sierra Trail for years, and only the first 7 or so (west end) miles. Hamilton Lake looks pretty, I want to go there some time (although the years keep flowing by!). Alta Peak also looks fun.

-- hike395 20:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Heh, thank you. I figured it was time to clean house, but, no, I'm not going anywhere :). Thanks for your message , it cheered me up :).--Sean Black (talk) 02:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Ex-Yugoslavia

Talk:Kosovo#2 Administrator for Ex-Yugoslavien articels in Wikipedia- The voice of Kosovar

[edit] Request

Hi, I listed a 3RRvio, but no one replied. Would you be able to do the block? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 03:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

thanks for reverting my userpage Betacommand 03:14, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old Skool Esperanzial note

Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. --Celestianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Checkuser

Do you know what is a checkuser?—G.He 01:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

(Tawker told me already)—G.He 01:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attacks on "Naturist Christians" wiki by 152.163.100.74

There appears to be vandalism by 152.163.100.74 on the "Naturist Christians" wiki.

He/she keeps appending untruths about the "naturist-christians.org" web site, or deleting references to it.

Can anything be done to stop this?

Thank you, Nathan Powers

Natman55 19:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Check Yahoo

Something's wrong with Yahoo... can't seem to revert...—G.He 00:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

My bad...Yahoo! seems to be blanked.—G.He
Or is it just me?.....—G.He 00:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, something in that article is definitely stopping me from saving... I just tried to use <pre> to show you the message it showed when it "refused to save" and it didn't allow me to save this page...—G.He 00:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 68.97.134.5 Personal Attacks

I have a problem with 68.97.134.5. 68.97.134.5 claims that he/she's an admin, but it's probably untrue. Then 68.97.134.5 vandalized my user page and now my talk page with inappropriate images. Please look into this matter ASAP...I really don't want to see these images continue.....—G.He 02:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 03:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks.—G.He 03:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User 207.165.130.252

This user; don't know how to refer otherwise to user pages. Everything is spam/vandalism. He's vandalized Waukon, Iowa twice. I think it's a kid.

Similarly, User Hellomyppretty [7]has been similarly vandalizing Iowa town articles. This is probably the same kid.

Has he/they been blocked? --FourthAve 03:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It could well be the same kid. I left a blatant vandal warning on the logged-in version, and the anon hasn't vandalized for nine days so I left it alone. You can also post at WP:AIV if he comes back and I'm not around. Antandrus (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attacks on "Naturist Christians" wiki by 152.163.100.74 CONTINUES

Vandalism by 152.163.100.74 on the "Naturist Christians" wiki is ongoing.

He/she keeps delting references to the "naturist-christians.org" web site.references to it.

Can anything be done to stop this?

Naturist-christians.org is a legitimate 501-C organization that takes donations, not payment. It contains a wealth of information pertaining to Christian naturism throughout the world and history.

I did go to the WP:AIV that you mentioned. The problem as I understand it is that he/she is coming through AOL and the warnings are apparently ignored.

Also, I do not want to break any rules by repeatedly reverting the page.

What is the next logical step?

Thank you, Nathan Powers Natman55 17:32, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for fixing the vandalism on my page! Cheers! -AED 05:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Happy to help. Antandrus (talk) 05:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In re User:Veyklaver

None of the other identities (Ukiemob, etc.) believed to be sockpuppets of this user were ever banned: I posted a summary of the sockpuppetry/attacks to WP:AIV and no one ever touched it, and the vandal was temporarily quiescent. Maybe a checkuser is in order, with banning of confirmable sockpuppets of User:Veyklaver? Choess 04:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. See Wikipedia:Requests for CheckUser#User:Joestieg. What's the best place to report this, BTW? Ukiemob (talk · contribs) has precisely two constructive edits to his credit; the rest, and all the stuff from Joestieg (talk · contribs) and the other sockpuppets, is either promoting coca tea or harassment, but I didn't get any response posting to WP:AIV at the time. Choess 05:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page! Dismas|(talk) 15:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

And mine!Timothy Usher 21:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted redirect

Hello Antandrus. Please note that I've deleted the redirect from [[Insert text]] to MediaWiki:Badtitle. The phrase "Insert text" is quite common and should be reserved for a future article. Further, it is easier to find vandalism if it contains redlinks, and readers may be confused by the error message if they click through.

If you disagree with the deletion, feel free to restore it and I'll RFD it instead. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 17:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks for letting me know. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 20:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the comment

Antandrus- I appreciate the input, just getting started with the whole wiki scene, quite exciting. I hope I managed the redirect appropriately for the Halevy article, let me know if I need to change anything. Once again, thanks. MartinFloyd 00:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert of Schopenhauer

Did you check Talk:Arthur Schopenhauer? '129.247.247.238 01:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)'

Thank you for your quick reaction! '-129.247.247.238 02:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)'

[edit] A favor please

Hello friend, do you remember me? In the month of September 2005, your vote had made me an administrator. we all know that the life here is exciting and full of challenges. I would request you to please spare fem moments for me, and favor me with your comments and suggestions (here please) on my performance as a wikipedian. Let us continue to build the Better than the Best global encyclopedia. Thank you and regards. --Bhadani 09:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User page vandalism

Thanks again for your defense of my user page. It's been happening for weeks now. Is it possible to have my user page and user talk pages semi-protected? I never get any useful messages from anons and sockpuppets anyhow.Timothy Usher 21:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

There's only been one such attack on my talk page thusfar, but it seems reasonable to suppose that this very determined vandal(s) will concentrate his efforts there (that is if he doesn't get a clue and find something else to do with his life.) I suppose we can wait for it to happen again.Timothy Usher 21:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Antandrus. As per our previous discussion, I think it's a good idea to sprotect my user talk page - it's been vandalized several times in recent days, and it's easier than having everybody reverting it all the time.Timothy Usher 23:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!Timothy Usher 02:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to be a burden, but might you be willing to sprotect my User talk archives Archive 1, Archive 2 as well? These, too, are now being vandalized [8].Timothy Usher 12:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For cleaning my user page for me. I am on vandal patrol quite a bit around here. That's the first time I've provoked a personal attack at my own page. Let's me know I'm doing something right. Again, thanks and take care! Anger22 23:58, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Another day, another thank you! Cheers! Anger22 02:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] North Carolina vandal

Why do you remove references to that vandal, and not to any other one?

WP:DENY. Why don't you stop vandalising? Then I won't have to waste time removing your self-glorification. Antandrus (talk) 02:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In addition to SPAM at Absolute pitch

Would you mind taking a look at the similar question I've asked on Talk:Piano tuning#Piano Tuning Schools/Supplies about links like this on Piano tuning? It's been a little hairy on the talk page over there and I could use another opinion on the issue. - Rainwarrior 18:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AMS L.A.?

Antandrus -- I know it's half a year away but was wondering if you're planning on attending the American Musicological Society meeting in L.A. in November? Would be nice to meet the person who is probably among the most widely-read writer on medieval music in the world. --Myke Cuthbert 19:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Many thanks for mopping up my user page; and for the block. :) Kuru talk 21:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More thanks!

Thanks! I hope I will be busy! Side note, did you ever get the email I sent? Mindspillage (spill yours?) 23:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Searching my inbox, I never got it. Most strange indeed! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 02:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barn-Star.

Hi, Antandrus, I'm Daniel5127. I just want to award you barn-star because you always fight with vandalisms(One of my hate thing in Wikipedia). So, This barn-star is for you. Thanks, Please send me message back.

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I'm here to award you barnstar for fighting with vandalism. I'm so glad about you fight with vandalism. Right now, there are many people vandalize the article, owner's page etc.. Anyways, Thanks for fighting with Vandalism. This pretty Barn-Star was given by Daniel5127, 01:44, 7 May 2006(UTC)

Thanks you , I appreciate your work for vandalism. I hope you could send me message back. Cheers!! Daniel5127, 01:45, 7 May 2006(UTC)

[edit] NCV and Wikipedia:Abuse reports

I see you're trying dialog with the NCV again [9]. Both of us have tried it in the past and I recall that on different occasions he promised each of us that he would stop.

Anyways, if you're not aware, there's a new initiative at Wikipedia:Abuse reports which seems to be spearheaded by Essjay (who has checkuser rights). Although this is strictly for anon IPs (and not logged-in sockpuppets), I posted about the NCV at Wikipedia talk:Abuse reports and Essjay gave a noncommittal answer.

I have now posted to User talk:Essjay with a list of today's NCV sockpuppets and the ball is in his court if he has an interest in this. Perhaps you might wish to chime in, since you've been very active in this area. -- Curps 03:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


You wrote my own experience dealing with ISPs is less than encouraging. That's exactly what I figured, and one reason why I've never even tried contacting ISPs myself. ISPs probably won't act unless they're sure that the request is really being made on behalf of Wikipedia, and at the moment no can do so, barring very rare personal intervention by Jimbo or board members. There really needs to be some not-quite-so-exalted persons who can do this on a more frequent basis. Just like the ArbCom was created to delegate dispute resolution and remove the need for Jimbo to intervene personally in every dispute, there should be some committee or officially designated Wikipedia office person who can handle ISP abuse reporting, with the authority to make abuse reports in the name of Wikipedia. A good talking-to from the NCV's ISP and their warning him that he's violating their terms of service would probably get him to stop. Well, let's wish Essjay luck if he decides to pursue it. -- Curps 03:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

The Administrator Coaching program is a program aimed at preparing Wikipedians for Adminship or helping them understand the intricacies of Wikipedia better. Recently, changes have been made to the requirements of coachees. Please review them before requesting this service.
This would be something like the Welcoming Committee, but for people who have figured out the basics of editing articles; they're not newcomers any more, but they might want some help in learning new roles. Some might like suggestions about how to learn vandal patrol, or mentoring on taking an article to featured status, or guidance with a proposal they plan to make at the Village Pump, for example. In this way, Esperanza would help keep hope alive for Wikipedia because we would always be grooming the next generation of admins.
Stressbusters
The Stressbusters are a subset of Esperanza aiming to investigate the causes of stress. New eyes on the situation are always welcome!
Note from the editor
As always, MiszaBot handled this delivery. Thank you! Also, congratulations go to Pschemp, Titoxd and Freakofnurture for being elected in the last elections! An Esperanzial May to all of the readership!
  1. Posting logs of the Esperanza IRC channel are explicitly banned anywhere. Violation of this rule results in deletion and a ban from the channel.
  2. A disclaimer is going to be added to the Esperanza main page. We are humans and, as such, are imperfect.
  3. Various revisions have been made to the Code of Conduct. Please see them, as the proposal is ready to be ratified by the community and enacted. All members will members to have to re-confirm their membership after accepting the Code of Conduct.
  4. Referendums are to be held on whether terms of AC members should be lengthened and whether we should abolish votes full stop.
  5. Admin Coaching reform is agreed upon.
Signed...
Celestianpower, JoanneB, Titoxd, Pschemp and Freakofnurture
20:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saints Wikiproject

I noted that you have been contributing to articles about saints. I invite you to join the WikiProject Saints.

You are invited to participate in Saints WikiProject, a project dedicated to developing and improving articles about saints. We are currently discussing prospects for the project. Your input would be greatly appreciated!


Thanks! --evrik 17:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Piano Tuning Schools/Tool Manufacturers

(I don't yet have a talk page, so perhaps you can add your thoughts here - or on the discussion page)

Firstly, your insight (I presume unbiased as to the links involved) is most welcomed. I wish to ask your opinion on how it is that we can elect to delete any and all references to schools/manufacturers who specialize in this field, but at the same time allow links to websites which are oftentimes written by novices who lack proper training or experience within the scope of the subject matter (i.e.How to Tune a Piano Yourself)?

In speaking to several members of the PTG (I too have been in this profession for 25+ years) there is a consensus that bad information is much worse than no information at all. Simply put, unqualified opinions on instructional matters is dangerous (particularly given the topic). In order to assure that information is held to a much higher standard, how might you suggest to reconcile this very important issue?

I submit that in order that anyone offering a treatise on piano tuning (or any subject requiring a learned skill) at least pass some sort of communal test of competency before being able to add or modify instructional input. For Wikipedia to thrive as a valid repository of information, it seems only logical that a basis of experience be the "trial" for which any scholastic or instructional links be allowed as a guide to the subject matter.

My2cents-

Your first question is a good one, and has to do with the quality of the links. The only way I can see handling it is community consensus: even if a link is non-commercial and seems to contain a lot of information, if most people don't want it (e.g. because it's by a novice and contains misinformation) -- then out it goes. As of having links to piano tuning schools and manufacturers of piano tuning equipment -- maybe what we need is an article on just that topic, one which would contain too much detail to go simply in the piano tuning article. Piano tuning methodology, Piano tuning pedagogy, Teaching of piano tuning ... I'm not sure what to best call it, but to me it's an obviously encyclopedic topic. That would be an obvious place to put such links, and it could itself be linked from the piano tuning article. Just an idea. Antandrus (talk) 03:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help wanted

After visiting Assisi, Italy, I've been working hard to raise the article Basilica of San Francesco d'Assisi from a stub to a full-fledged article, illustrated by photos taken by me and others. Since I'm not a native English speaker, I could use some help from a native speaker (and fellow administrator) who is also interested in the arts. Even if your main interest is in music, I suppose you have enough background to contribute to this article especially by rephrasing my somewhat wooden style. In my opinion the article is rather complete for an encyclopedia. But any additions by you are off course most welcome. I could have added much more about the extraordinary richness in 13th-14th century Italian paintings of this church, but then the article would have grown into the length of a book. Therefore some help would be much appreciated. JoJan 18:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why thank you

Image:WikiThanks.png Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page, and with lightning speed as well! --Doug (talk) 22:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Always my pleasure to eradicate vandalism. Antandrus (talk) 22:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you blocked the AOL IP I was using for 15 min, can you unblock it please as Im doing a edit and I hit the autoblock. Thanks :) JAbeach 03:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure: I just unblocked it for you ... if you can edit my talk page you're not blocked though :-) Antandrus (talk) 03:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deny recognition poll

(Note that this is a form notification.)

Hello Antandrus. Since you commented on the Deny recognition proposal, this is to notify you that a formal poll has been opened concerning it. If it is accepted, it will be be used as a launching pad to amend other policies such as the deletion policy; that page itself will be marked as historical, not policy. Feel free to reread the proposal and place your vote. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 07:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for the welcoming note! I am so impressed by just a glimpse of what you have contributed to wikipedia! In my short time here so far, what I have yet to find is a real sense of community - sort of what you mentioned on your user page about many people just "working in the shadows," so it's nice to hear from somebody. Let me know if you need an apprentice. MarkBuckles 15:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earle Brown

Hi Antandrus, I'm working on the Earle Brown page. I welcome any corrections or additions, but I think it's important that the page is kept alive, because he was such a wonderful man. Best, Selfinformation 21:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Antandrus, thanks for the kind message! I hope that we can work on Brown's page together. I saw the Calder mobile in E.B.'s office on a documentary. I also saw a lot of Calder mobiles in museums... They are fascinating... You can put it in the article and cite the documentary! It's on the E.B. Foundation page now. I think we can also get some rights to publish images of eg. December '52 and perhaps an example of a mobile score. Have a nice day! Selfinformation 23:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sir,

I am sure that you noticed my addition to the Al sharpton article when you revised. In the event that you have forgotten, I simply placed the communism template on it. I did so, as all wikipideans might do, it persuit of truth, or as you might say, I was "being bold." Perhaps you are aware that the honorable Al sharpton is affiliated with extremely radical leftist ideologies. Therefore I request that you remove your warning from my messages and allow me more chances, or I will know that I was convicted for something that I did not do, and that wikipedia has been abandoned for less than the purpose of truth.

Good day to you.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.194.14.134 (talk • contribs) .

I left you a blatant vandal warning after you put a "history of communism" template on the Apple Computer article. That's called "vandalism". You get blocked for doing that here. Please do not do that again, and consider contributing constructively; you might find it is more rewarding than doing damage. Good day to you as well. Antandrus (talk) 22:44, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:I,KJI block

I blocked for 48 hours just after you got your indefinite block in. Whose will take precedence? I've no problem with indefinite. (Looks like maybe of bot of some sort?) --Kbh3rdtalk 04:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elliott Carter

Yeah, I'm going to say that's bogus. People seem to think it's funny to put up fake death notices, but he's someone who would at least get a blurb in major news outlets, so I feel pretty confident it's false. Cheers, Mak (talk) 13:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karl Rove page being vandalized

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.195.77.219

That IP has deleted and vandalized the Karl Rove article several times.

I recognize that vandal (he must have done it before under a different IP). Looks like he stopped after his last warning; I'll keep an eye on it. Antandrus (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images/Media

If I take a picture (or create any media), I may release it under a free license if I wish as long as it doesn't violate any specific restrictions (I.e. No media allowed to be taken at a specific museum, for example), right? I just want to clarify these media licensing because an issue arouse today regarding one of my uploads as not fair use... and it took me a while to finally understand to what extent a copyrighted media may be fair use... But if it's a media I personally create (I.e. Photograph), then it's basically up to me to decide the licensing, right? (From now on, I'll try to stay away from random media...)—G.He 03:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Either that or I'll try to find free media... I don't think I'd want to keep risking it with copyrighted materials...—G.He 04:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user talk page. --Muchness 16:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! Antandrus (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

And on my user page! NawlinWiki 01:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

you're welcome as well ... just blocked that one. Antandrus (talk) 01:13, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GFDL

Just out of curiosity, if I take a GFDL image by someone else and modify it according to me, would it still be considered "self made" if I republish it?—G.He 00:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

So should the tag after modification be GFDL or GFDL-self?—G.He 22:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MediaWiki

Do you know what is contained within the MediaWiki namespace?—G.He 22:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you for blocking User:69.110.68.222. He was vandalising my talk page, with "You have been block messages," among other things, all because I warned.--ᎠᏢ462090Contribs 00:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I notice that too, because he was using templates, which is rare since most vandals will just blank pages, write stupid insults, or bad jokes. Anyway, thanks again.--ᎠᏢ462090Contribs 00:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carmina Burana

Hi Antandrus! I would like to create a page for Orff's Carmina Burana. It currently resides as a small section within the page referring to the 13th century Latin text. I'm not sure what the protocal for the title of the article would be: Carmina Burana (Orff), Carmina Burana (Music), or Carmina Burana (Composition). What do you think? Do I need to do anything in terms of requesting a "split" or can I just go ahead and write the new article. A few people have already requested that on the discussion page. Thanks for your help! -MarkBuckles 15:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] edit to gabrieli

I went to a prformance of Giovanni Gabrieli's music and on the program the DOB is 1554. So i dont know if this counts or not but that it.

[edit] RfA Thank You!

Thanks Antandrus,

I am honored by your support in my recent successful request for adminship. As an administrator, I am your servant, ready to help however I can. My talk page is always open; should you need anything, or should you see me making a mistake -- probably a common occurrence -- please do let me know. I will depend on the good sense of the community to keep me from making a complete fool of myself! :) In gratitude, Xoloz 15:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

[10] linkspam or useful content? Mak (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've listened to two minutes of one of the lectures so far, and absolutely no context has been given. They're just tape recordings of class lectures, which might be interesting to some people, but they're not searchable or scannable, you can't see the musical examples. And so far (at 2m 20sec.) he's just blathering on. Now, maybe his class is great, but I don't think these links are going to be that useful to most people. I think they are not probably commercial-type linkspam, probably just a student who thinks this guy is the bee's knees. I'm going to remove the links, and maybe leave a soft note on the talk page. Mak (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Persondata - "flourished"

Hi, I saw you contributed to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Persondata about adding "flourished" as a field. It looks like the discussion died off although some good points were being raised by the end of it, and I thought it may be worth restarting before Persondata is used in so many places that it would be a serious problem to change the fields. There are many people for whom "flourished" dates are known accurately (so it is not all about objectivity/subjectivity) yet birth and death can only be guessed at, so there is a prima facie case for making use of "fl." Additionally, other biographical sources also make use of "fl." It seems that you are well aware of these advantages and wondered if you thought there was a case for adding floruit as a Persondata field? If you're interested, I've started a new discussion on it here. Regards, TheGrappler 19:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smile :)

—G.He has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

—G.He 23:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quick Question

Just a quick question: Can blocked users only edit their own user talk page, or can they edit other pages outside of the (main) namespace?—G.He 00:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image talk:DMCI DMMS-Satellite.PNG

Is it possible to delete Image talk:DMCI DMMS-Satellite.PNG since the image was already deleted a while ago? The only thing that's left is the discussion about Fair Use, which was brought up when I uploaded that image.....—G.He 02:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Image Talk Page

Thanks. :)—G.He 02:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One-hit Wonders

Ah, I had not seen that. Interesting. I thought the idea of prod was that people would see it, say "Noooo!" clean it up a little, and then remove the prod. I guess it probably doesn't work that way. If you want to remove the prod, I won't in any way be offended. But, as you can see, it doesn't seem to be any more accurate or sourced than it was previously. I mean, Boccherini? Really? I dunno, and I would check the source, but there is none! Oh well, that's the wiki way. I also just hate the phrase "One-hit wonder". It's so condescending and disrespectful to many composers who had full careers a professionals. Just because people seem to only know Beethoven's Ninth (Freude schoene gute funken something aus Elysium!) doesn't mean he was a one-hit wonder, and the same is true of Pachelbel. Also, it's historically biased, simply what has been "rediscovered" in the twentieth century, not what was big in the composer's lifetime. It's not that important. Cheers, Mak (talk) 04:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, IRC? Mak (talk) 03:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pinochet article

I recently revisited the Pinochet article, as a specific incident had completely slipped my mind and I wanted to include it. I was surprised that so many people had visited and altered the material I'd written, and noticed that you kept reverting material to my original that some anonymous user kept altering. Out of curiosity, what was the nature of the changes? And by the way, thanks for your patrol work on the site. Regards, MILH. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MILH (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Lorenzo Da Ponte

Per this I have written a stub at Lorenzo Da Ponte (Grove pretty consistently gives this capitalization). Would you do me a big favor and double check me in terms of copyright issues? Thanks a lot, Mak (talk) 03:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, didja see this one? Mak (talk) 04:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that about the "married" women. I didn't want to put too much of that stuff in to gaurd from copyvios and to keep the article balanced, although I'm not opposed to a whole section on it eventually, it should be a substantial article. I wish I could compare the old one with the Columbia. By the way, the List of Classical one-hit wonders was de-prodded, but not improved in any way, as was another thing I prodded, Small Shoes (I'm not sure where this guy wants it merged to, but he's certainly not doing it). Well, harrumph, no big deal. I'm thinking about AfD'ing the One-hit-wonders, but I'm trying to decide if I want to put up with the flack. Cheers, Mak (talk) 04:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dag Wirén

There is now a page about Dag Wirén, but since there were only two pages linked to Dag Wiren (one of them your watchlist) I ask your advice whether it's worth creating a redirect at this point? Best - Schissel | Sound the Note! 03:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, butting in, IMHO it's always worth it to create a redirect, especially since it helps people when they're searching for things. I've made the redirect. Mak (talk) 03:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks both of you, Schissel for mentioning it and Makemi for the redirect! Yes, it's worth it any time there's a diacritic in the name, since people are most likely to type "dag wiren" in the search box. Antandrus (talk) 04:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

I'm new here, so I'm shouting out for help.

Please check out the Pinochet article once more. Someone has cut it rather severely, hurting the integrity of the information presented, and I don't know how to do the "revert edits" function. Look on the discussion page to see my rationale.

Also, I'd appreciate you taking a look at the article and providing a disinterested third-party opinion.

I am very concerned with the material cut — information has been lost, and it is leading to a narrower, more POV-prevalent article that does not provide clarity.

Regards, --MILH 12:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beethoven lead

Hello, Antandrus. I was impersonated (Robert_G (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log)) yesterday, s/he even copied my user page: I'm so proud! :-) Also, if you have a spare moment, can you cast your eyes over this discussion? Am I being ultra-pedantic? Best wishes, --RobertG ♬ talk 15:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Block?

I think its time you blocked 199.254.1.243. ??--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh I see you just blocked. Ok.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany

Hi Antandrus. I have a request. User:Leifern restored Occupation of Norway by Nazi Germany page according to the WP consensus (100% of the users wanted this name in a poll). However something seemed to have gone wrong and the edit history got lost (he may have copied it). Can you fix the article and its history at this consensus name? Best regards, gidonb 23:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your thanks!

Thanks! Hey, thanks!
I found your note on my RCPatrol work, It's nice to be appreciated!
If there's anything I can do to help, let me know, okay?
~Kylu (u|t) 03:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New brand of vandalism?

Is this a new brand of SEO vandalism we are seeing here with these articles and accounts? --HappyCamper 04:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Search engine optimization - ah, I see that this user has been blocked indefinitely for this. This must be something fairly recent, I wasn't aware of it before. The article of interest is probably this, I presume. --HappyCamper 04:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
There's quite a bit of history, an AFD for the article. --HappyCamper 04:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thankyou Antandrus for dealing with User:Redbluesmurf. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 04:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC).