User:Anthere/Vide poche

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Hi, I'd be happy to but I think only one is small enough to email (and it's no fun getting big attachments). I think I'll set them up online somewhere and you can visit at your leisure.

It's good to see you around too, in spite of the Gaia/RK problems. ^_^ ... Maybe he'll visit TUF-KAT sometime and they can discuss plants. I'm sure it would help one of them.  ;-) Koyaanis Qatsi 19:34, 28 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Much good comes from discussing plants. :) Martin
Eh, I noticed Jose's comment, but it wasn't my conversation and I din't want to butt in.  :-)
TUF-KAT changed his username from Tokerboy, which has to do with a certain plant one can be said to 'toke.' Koyaanis Qatsi
Oh yes. I remember him explaining what is name meant on the ml. Of course, I had no idea :-)
Ok, I set it up and sent you the URL. Now I'm going to make dinner.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Ethics is now updated to better reflect the issues of scientism and Gaia philosophy. Our friend attempted to add a big chunk of one-religion-centric crap on the Bible, and then a section title, "Ethics in the religion" (*THE*!!) but was repelled by a troll, who did an admirable job adapting his second pass. The article may now need some defense against attack. Also, a French translation would be timely about now. On the Marxist and feminist issues raised, there may be more wisdom en francais than in the hain-Glitch.

On a different matter, CBC ideas has an interesting talk on "the civilization of difference" on it somewhere. "The problem of how we deal with those who are different than us... " - Beverly McLaughlin

Also simple view of ethics and morals needs work and some mention of feminine and environmental reality, to keep it compatible with ethics. EofT

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[edit] Divers

a couple of links to keep around, not to archive again


an article about BAV1, a bacterium that can decompose vinyl chloride, which otherwise lasts for hundreds of years in the soil. You might know where to stick the relevant info.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi 16:04 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sysop reading list is the only pre-emptive action we can take to prevent Wikipedia:troll war.

m:twelve leverage points

http://www.nature.com/nsu/030804/030804-2.html Koyaanis Qatsi 19:40, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Apparently light pollution can interfere with the natural cycles of ecosystems. (I had some notion of this myself, being a mammal who formerly worked at night in overlit environs--no amount of daytime sleep would compensate). Anyway, this article brings into the discussion bits about urban development, circadian rhythms, and unsuspected lynchpins of various ecosystems.

http://www.discover.com/July_03/featlights.html Koyaanis Qatsi 00:50, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the isolated sunflower. Now I'll see if I can do something useful with it -- got to get the atrophied visual regions of my brain working .. --Eloquence 17:05 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

OK, here's the resulting logo: m:International logos (26-50). What do you think? --Eloquence 18:54 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

EoT is not banned. I didn't think to put back in the comments when I made my comment to RK. I should have done but it is 5am so probably just too sleepy to think! Thanks for sorting it out. Have you noticed you are on EofT's list of lamps? Angela 04:37, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)

How common are air-conditioners in France? We deal with 30-40 °C temps every summer where I live (got up to 44 ° for a day or two this year). Of course north-central California probably isn't as humid as much of France, but parts of the US mid-West are as hot as Central California but with a great deal of humidity. Just curious. --mav

Thanks for the long reply. The whole thing is very tragic. --mav

Wow! What fantastic pictures, Anthere! I'd love to help out more with the ecozone project, but I'm so ridiculously busy these days that taking on more work is just out of the question. As you may have noticed, I'm not getting many edits at all in over this last month or two. Real (i.e., paid) work aside, this new bird photography obsession of mine is chewing up almost every spare hour I can find. No matter - I am enjoying it immensely. Doubtless it wil wear off eventually and I'll get time to do some more wiki-work. (BTW, if my tinkering with the links to correct case has messed up your scheme (linked to the wrong things), feel free to revert me as needed.)

Best -- Tony (Tannin)

I'll try to help. I don't know how useful I'll be but I can look out for vandalism and things. Angela

Hey Ant! :) Je ne comprends pas le prob... il me semble bien:

Image:Tournesol(L).jpg

C'est déjà resolu ? Si non, j'ai besoin de plus d'information... --Brion 06:52, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hi, the second one had a slightly different ending but I extended it to mix it with the beginning of the next song. The lyrics at the end give a sense of inability to draw any conclusions, but of course the music doesn't have to follow suit.  :-) ... Unfortunately, I can't do much about the singing on the 3rd. She doesn't end each word precisely, and as it is there are a lot of drum hits covering other pops caused by cutting her off.

Thanks for the feedback. I've been told before that the ends of the songs just seem to drift off, so that's something I should work on. Those are all I have now, though, unless you want to hear the old embarassing ones.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi 23:28, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Well on the 3rd one it was originally a cappella; I chopped up the vocals and rearranged them slightly, then added all the music. On the other two, I downloaded all the original tracks (cello, piano, guitar, drums etc.), rearranged it all, threw away about 3/4 of the music, and added what I thought it needed. No, I don't sing, or at least I don't when I'm around people and fully self-aware. It's not recommended for me to sing.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi 00:18, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

In response to your question about the translation of board I looked at the Canada Business Corporations Act to see how it handled the matter. Both the French and English versions are official in Canada. This particular law governs the operation of corporations. Where the term, Board of Directors, is used in English, it uses conseil d'administration. I hope this helps. ☮ Eclecticology 21:46, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I'm not sure why I should be sensitive about "tickling" someone who says things like:

fuck your "second warning", MAKE A CHOICE, Mr. Wales

...but I have tremendous respect for you, Anthere, so I will do just about anything you ask! --Uncle Ed 17:33, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipédia:Donations

Hi Anthere, I just saw that the french Article Wikipédia:Donations is not protected. Would it not better to protect it (or create a subpage with the details that is protected)? I don't like the idea that someone can redirect the money somewhere else... Fantasy 08:49, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians I think. User:Angela.

Salut Ant, on a un petit problème : Ellsilk est de retour et il commence déjà a f....e la m...e. -- Looxix 20:15, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Fausse alerte, j'panik trop vite.


[edit] Empty page

Ha Ant, why did you empty your page? I have the feeling, you are kind of giving up some things "Removing from Ambassador", "blanc page"... I hope you did not interpret my "Support" line in Eloquence's page as "I am against Anthere". You know what I think of you. I was supporting Erik in general, and especially I did not like the "voting for voting", therefore I thought, maybe it would be good if he knows that some people are on his side, even if they don't say so.

But you also know that you have a lot of people that have a high esteem of you and respect your work. It is difficult to write because I don't know what is going on... I am just guessing... I hope I did interpret your latest actions (removals) wrong. I look forward to hear from you, Fantasy 12:41, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Yeah Anthere - what's up? Wikipedia needs you. Please don't go. --mav 13:59, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I am not gone. But I will certainly drastically reduce some of my contributions to that project since they are not welcome. And I am in a very VERY BAD mood. But thanks to you both for your concern :-) Any cheers up, bad sexist joke, stupid picture, fun drawing, crazy website address is welcome.

  • I agree completely with what mav said. Please don't feel your contributions are not valued. They are - very much. Angela 23:14, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I hope you do stick around and do those other things even if you are not doing the international co-ordination stuff. And it would be great to see you at Simple too. :) Angela

It's not unheard-of that a user be unable to edit his/her own pages when that user is a known vandal. - Hephaestos 06:24, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

The known name of the vandal is User:BuddhaInside. This is the account which repeatedly tried to reinstate a page which had been deleted by overwhelming vote in VfD, with the same material in it. This person probably has another account here, but that's not what really matters, it is the actions under this account. - Hephaestos 06:33, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean; no, it is not commonly practiced that someone on the Wikipedia who has been doing nothing but causing trouble for an entire day, to have his or her demands met at a whim. But maybe that's just me.  :) - Hephaestos 06:41, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi Anthere, I noticed your comments about protecting user pages. I think anyone should be allowed to edit their own pages. And also to have their own pages deleted if they want to. See Wikipedia talk:Personal subpages to be deleted. Angela 07:05, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I replied on my page :-) Fantasy 09:22, 7 Sep 2003 (UTC)

again :-) Fantasy

Si seulement mon anglais était aussi beau que votre français... Et quelle dans le ciel ou l'enfer est cette chose sur le bloc de hachage ?

Well its kinda gruesome looking--belies the beauty of the beautiful flowaz. Good luck with "the diet." As someone familiar with eating, and eating habits -- Id like to (ifI may) point out that the term "diet" is best thought of in the wholistic sense--not that you are on "a diet" (even the Round Table Pizza man is on "a diet"), rather that you have decided to make changes to your overall "diet." Eating less meat is certainly a way to do that, but you need to be realistic. Forget the weight thing--its not a good enough reason to mess with your cycles, and your body will disagree with you. Less meat really means less heavy and hard to digest material to sap your body's energy with. -Sincerely

List of ecology topics could use your attention. A few topics like damming, e.g. such issues as arise with the Mekong, or micro-climate do not exist yet, and must. Others it's important to differentiate from more localized biology or human-driven environment and medical concerns. Let's restrict "ecology topics" to what can actually be discussed and investigated using the scientific method - I leave it up to you how to treat the Gaia Hypothesis stuff.

If it's about how humans should behave, or how what is done to ecosystems affects them, then, we really need to hive it off to list of environment topics and list of ethics topics and list of economics topics.

If it's about how only certain species work or behave, it's for the list of biology topics. I think the main things that you must understand to comprehend ecology are on the list of ecology topics already - but if I missed any, add them.

Ideally the list should be maybe about 100 items.

[edit] E-waste

I honestly have no idea at all why e-waste has a VfD notice on it. I have just looked through the history of the VfD page and as far as I can tell, it was never listed there. The article has nothing wrong with it so I wouldn't have wanted to delete it.

17 August was the day that mav started telling people they had to put the VfD notice on things so I went through VfD checking that the pages listed did have one that day. I must have put one on the e-waste page by accident thinking it was one of the pages I was meant to be doing that to when really I had opened the page for another reason.

I have removed the notice now. Sorry for any confusion. Angela 22:25, Sep 12, 2003 (UTC)


Good :-) That will avoid me fighting for it :-)
be careful when you listen to Mav :-)

I will. Could you first sign your comment on my talk page, please?-戴&#30505sv 04:53, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

Merci. First of all I was going by my recollection of what was supposed to be reason -- the final curtain call, to my knowledge was in private discussion (with Jim) -- this is still all speculative. I only commented with what I knew of that dispute -- and added to that my understanding of her waning positive sentiments on other issues -- ie. "high academic standards." This is not a complete picture, but maybe we can ask a general question on the WP:VP, just for sake of Wikihistory. Bien à vous,-戴&#30505sv 05:28, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

Heh. I didn't realise you wanted a response to that message. Uh, yes, it was. :-) Evercat 13:46, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Thank you for the cricket. I hope it scares these people off my page. I'm starting to not like Wikipedia. Vandalism in progress is a pointless page. There is always vandalism in progress and I'm getting sick of it. :'(

Thank you for the advice. I am going to put it on my user page so I don't forget. MB and Stevertigo already said this to me as well so I suppose I should take the advice. It was nice having an evening away from Wikipedia with no silly people. Angela 00:43, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)
You just forget all the nice messages you have had because of the nonsense mixed in with it. Go through your archives and only read the good stuff. I remember seeing lots of people saying lovely things to you, like Ed Poor and mav. Angela 01:12, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

"You" is whoever wrote the previous comment--"Protecting page is usually used to protect the encyclopedia from being damaged. Could anyone explain to me how blanking a user talk page is damaging the encyclopedia in any way?" Since it had no signature, and the tone was defencist of the blanking of the talk page, I logically deduced that the comment was by Buddha inside. Thus my comments were directed to him. -戴&#30505sv 05:40, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

It occurs to me that youre an extremely sensitive woman, with slighly problematic English, who perhaps has difficulty distinguishing between an attack on a particular behaviour and an attack on her person. I want to be clear, I think your work is first rate, and that the value of your contributions is beyond measure. That said, your extreme sensitivity can also be percieved as a persecution complex--which in turn tends to accuse people acting within reason, of the crime of persecuting you. I dont accept this as valid. Im not going to treat anyone with kid gloves simply because of their gender or particular ethnic sensitivities. You should assume the better of people, if youre going to assume anything at all. At least its better than assuming the worst, which by your comments about "ostracizing" --you seem to mean.-戴&#30505sv 06:35, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)


[edit] JacquesD complaint

I read your comments on the Wikipedia mailing list regarding copyright and fair use. What I don't understand is why you deleted the photos of Emmanuelle Béart and Sophie Marceau on the French Wikipedia but did not delete them here on the English version.

anon

I did not really follow the initial matter as regards deletion of the two above mentionned pictures, except for the fact they were properly listed on votes for deletion. After a decent time on votes for deletion, these images were deleted. Then, JacquesD raised the question of the disparity of "rights" between some editors and others, in terms of fair use images uploading.

I decided to first understand the matter better before taking any further position. I do not believe direct deletion based on *my* personal perception is OK. I also know that image deletion is permanent, hence I think it was wiser to wait till we understand more and are perhaps more able to judge what should be done with these pictures.

We were three people yesterday, spending most of the night, trying to translate policies in french, and trying to decipher what fair use was. As soon as this is set, I hope french people will try to be much clearer in terms of information (source and cp status) given.

If the two above mentionned picts are said fair use, I will personnaly put them back on the french wiki, mentionning their status at least. If french people say they are not, I will personnaly list them on votes for deletion here.

Then, I will take care of something else, because I am more interested in fixing up a consistent policy and fair behavior between contributors, than hunting copyright infrigement.

Does that answer your question ?

[edit] I am older - so, perhaps wiser; more perspectives

Happy Birthday Anthère! Sorry it's a couple of days late. I tried to find a picture of a birthday cake to put here but Wikipedia doesn't seem to have any. Angela 18:56, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks Angel. It is curious there are no birthday cake...I was always amazed by the looks of typical american ones; Tomorrow, I will make three for one of my kid, who will turn 7 on thursday. This summer, I made a huge one for my sister in law and husband. I tried to put one candle for each year. Huge number. And huge mistake. It was during the heat wave, and between the outside heat and the heat released by each candle, they all entirely melted on the cake, which ended enterely coated with pink and blue wax. That was plain awful. I was ashamed :-))))


Hiya, Happy birthday! Great to hear from you. I don't much about Ducker but we do have and have had people who specialise principally in editing rather than article writing, including Zoe and Michael Hardy. I think there work is very important in keeping things together. Ducker's reversion of BuddhaInside's page was part of a general reversion by plenty of people. I don't think there is a problem with blanking talk pages on their own. Evercat blanks his after reading his comments; he shows he reads them by his reactions to comments else. In contrast Buddha makes controversial changes, recreates deleted pages, and then when plenty of people want to comment on his behaviour he just deletes their comments en bloc, saying 'I'm not listening. Go away.' It is showing gross disrespect to people like you, me and everyone else who wants to contribute, if only to tell him 'please understand the way you are doing things is wrong'. Reverting the blanking is not trying to show him respect but to force him to listen to people. Talk pages are there to help people learn from everyone else's advice. I think Ducker is well intentioned in what he had doing. If only Buddha listened to people he migh well turn into a valued contributor.FearÉIREANN 18:11, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Here is a birthday present to all who must grow up in this century/millenium. Hope you can help, extremely fierce criticism welcome: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Body,_Cognition_and_Senses

It's ambitious, not even God can do it alone. But with the help of many trolls, it might get done.

  • This* is more than ambitious...
I moved it to User:EntmootsOfTrolls/WikiProject Body, Cognition and Senses. Angela.
See perspective, point of view, visual perception, subject-object problem, gate control theory of pain, cognition and morphogenetic field for now - more coming.
Bonne Fête Anthère (en retard)! My internet connection was broken most of this whole week and I haven't had much access. That french Fair Use page has really come along. You should also have a look at this case that may have some bearing on the interaction between French droit d'auteur and US copyright law as far as Wikipedia is concerned; Russian law was applied to questions of ownership before a US infringement analysis was done by the court in that case. If it raises any issues in your mind let me know. BTW how can an anonymous sysop unprotect a page, is that a joke? Hope you are feeling better. Alex756 22:00, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Stevevertigo mantra

Well, either way, In how I express myself I neither want to be unclear, nor wrongfully antagonistic. Respectfully --戴&#30505sv 22:40, Sep 18, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Norway and unhappy people

You have protected a page for a person (Gustavf) who is inserting wrong and political (not NPOV) information on Norway. Maybe some Saami fanatics will tell you that Saami is an official language of Norway, but most people will not. It's just co-official in a few municipalities and is written by the Saami people - 6000 persons out of 4,5 million, and should therefore be written as a footnote (see for instance Denmark, under Official language)


It is not mine to decide whether Gustavf is right or not. Nor you right or not. I just did my role in protecting a page because someone ask. Please settle your problem in the talk page, and if needed, find someone you think neutral and perhaps knowledgable on the topic. Not me :-) Best luck. Anthère

You should probably also have a look on the German, French, Danish, Swedish etc. wikis. Why are the English wiki telling you that Saami is an official Norwegian language, when none of the other wikis (and other encyclopædias at all) are? The answer is Gustavf.

Do you have any knowledge about islamism ? Si so, let's make a deal, come over to help make that article a decent one, with more than 2 authors with a strong american pro-israel bias, and I will take time to look at your pb. As for what is written on the french wiki, since it was a translation, and so far none of the authors is knowledgable on norvegian, I am sorry, but can't draw conclusions. Anthère

Really what's required is for Islamism to be unprotected so it can be redirected to Islam as a political movement. Then militant Islam can deal with the relatively small strain of violent groups with their own thread of modern Islamic philosophy. The problems with "improving" the Islamism article are listed at Talk:Islamism. An Islamist does not advocate a thing called "Islamism", he advocates Islam as a political movement in itself. The idea that there is a unified "Islamism" doesn't deal properly with Liberal Islam or Islamic parties and is POV - in fact it is a Empire POV.
What is really really REALLY required is to get more actual Muslims at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Islam.

[edit] Do you use the standard skin?

Thanks for your comments. I think the nostalgia skin does not have the "Post a comment" link on the left, but I use the standard skin. I can't imagine why you would not have it, I think I read somewhere that it was only on the standard skin which can be set on the user preferences page. Alex756 05:20, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I just double checked, on the standard skin it is right under the link to the left that says "edit this page". It is only on the talk page, not the user page, but I checked a few user pages and it always shows up on my browser. Could it be browser specific? I just use a plain vanilla IE6. Alex756

[edit] Mailing list spam

It looks like our address got into some spammer's database; it's a common evil tactic to use one of your victims' addresses as the "from" address, so bounce messages get sent to us instead of them. (Gee, thanks.) I've set the spam options to reject bounce messages to the list, since all real bounce messages go to a separate address (wikifr-bounces). --Brion 17:09, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Thanks !!!! Evil evil evil people... Ant

[edit] Islam in France

Ant qq voies pour ton article:

  • beur = arabe en verlan (via a-ra-b-e -> be-ra- -> beur).
  • Je ne sais pas si c'est le cas en France, mais en Belgique le terme plus 'politicaly correct/neutre' pour arabe (dans certains sens utilisés dans l'article) est 'maghrébin' (vu l'origine en général).
  • on ne parle pas du fait que un certain nombre (grand? moyen? minoritaire?) de 'arabe/musulman/...' en France/Belgique/Europe sont très bien intégrés (dans le sens socio-culturellement peu ou pas distingables des indigènes).

-- Looxix

[edit] American copyright law? Perhaps but torts & delicts the world over...

Dear Anthere,

I am sorry you are exhausted from the complex process that is going on regarding the evolution of Wikipedia policies and procedures. Some of it has been confusing to me too, as you know. Are we discussing banning someone or him being a problem user? Regarding the interaction of French and American law I first must say that while it is generally true regarding copyright law that as Wikipedia is being published in California that US copyright law will generally rule (though there is an exception that the case I told you about above applies). Regarding other laws there are differences. If we are talking about a tort (usually in Quebec we translate this as a "delict" into English because the law is not exactly the same) the tort (or extracontractual delict) occurs in a different place than publication, it is the place of publication that is at issue, not merely where the tort was written down (I hope this is clear, it is an important point that I have tried to stress before). Under this rubric of tort are all these things such as privacy, personality and publicity rights. In civil law jurisdictions they are usually called "right of private life" or something like that, since ther are no real English civil code countries sometimes the translation is difficult (though remember that Scottish law is basically similar to the civil law as it is still based upon the uncodified ancient Roman law). Can one defame oneself? I don't think so, because one makes a statement about oneself and publishes it there is the concept of consent that stands in the way. Unless one can show that he did not consent to the publication by himself of the defamatory information then maybe he could sue himself. In other words, one can write whatever one wants about oneself and one must face the consequences afterwards.

Is criticism defamation? No. if someone is being criticized reasonably then such criticism cannot be considered libel or any kind of delict, it is only statements that are wrong, wrongful or malicious (and there may be differences bewtween jurisdictions that might make such a determination difficult) that then might be considered defamatory.

Regarding that comment on David's talk page, I hope it was seen as tongue in cheek, Americans say the same thing about Canadians. Americans don't realize that they are often arrogant and rash, Europeans are often very sharp in their criticisms. That makes Wikipedia exciting, because all these different kinds of cultural differences are being thrown together. Interesting? Yes. Frustrating, definitely! Vive la difference! Alex756 02:44, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] A cricket is vegetarien, a "sauterelle" is carnivorous

Thank you again for the cricket. It ate it's first vandal today. The history of my talk page shows the vandal did not appreciate this. :) --Angela

"eaten by Anthère's Tettigonia viridissima" doesn't sound as good though. :)

[edit] Well, thanks Lir

i like your user page pics. LirQ

[edit] Hard to sleep

I'm just awake now, bored, trying to get sleepy. I'm not intending to spend much time here; it's best to email. Take your time, though--no rush.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi 00:57, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] I do not want lists of goatse images around

I would prefer that you do not take out the list of mirror sites in the Shock sites article. Even if the content is the same, the goatse website does not mention them, and the article must say that those mirror sites exist and are used to trick people into going to the website. WhisperToMe 01:09, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Yea, im sorry that I got so angry in the Talk page of the article mentioned above. WhisperToMe 04:10, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] RK

Note User_talk:Eloquence/non-process. You are mentioned. So are some articles deleted out of process, which might be undeleted. Those who oppose RK also really should be talked to about all these issues. There is a chance now to create some democratic alternative way to do these things...

[edit] France-US legal squabble

Anthere is there a page on the French Wikipedia about this France-US legal squabble: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/is02/readings/yahoo-order.html see also http://www.lapres.net/yahweb.html ? If there is such an article could you point me to it? I'm not quite sure where to look for it. it should be noted when people are discussing the power of French law in US courts related to free speech issues. Alex756 23:46, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)