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Contents 1 Manifesto 2 Rosicrucians 2.1 The Rosicrucians' point of view 3 Point of View 4 Quick summary of Wikipedia's antimilitarism page

[edit] Manifesto

There should be included an external link to the international "Manifesto against conscription and the military system" (with a list of all signatories between 1993 and 2007), official website: http://home.snafu.de/mkgandhi/manifest.htm. Chrbartolf 13:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)Chrbartolf

[edit] Rosicrucians

I move this here for discussion on inclusion. IMHO, it belongs rather to pacifism: antimilitarism is against military forces, which by definition are state-forces. It is not simply a peace doctrine. Beside, its understanding of the concept of "just war", which has historically been used to justify wars, is far from being a common viewpoint for an antimilitarist. Tazmaniacs 23:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Rosicrucians' point of view

Rosicrucians have publicly expressed in the early 20th century that no enduring peace can ever be achieved until militarism is definitely put away, meaning that the manufacturing of arms, according to them, must be abolished and instead arbitration processes established everytime conflicting issues arise, whether among individuals or nations (Heindel, Max, Letters to Students (The Purpose of War and Our Attitude Toward It, ed. 1918), ISBN 0-911274-09-X) . Rosicrucians, in the same sense as the popular quotation "Educate the children so you won't have to punish men" attributed to the philosopher Pythagoras, emphasize that it is through educational efforts that the world may achieve the basis for living permanently in peace. Nevertheless, Rosicrucians have also their own views, based in principles of spirituality, regarding the complex issues of just war and the concepts of the philosophy of war (Max Heindel, The Rosicrucian Philosophy in Questions and Answers - Volume II (The Philosophy of War, ed. 1918), ISBN 0-911274-90-1). Antimilitarists in general, however, strongly oppose the concept

[edit] Point of View

This article has point-of-view problems, to say the least. While it is accurate to say that antimilitarism is an outcome of critical theory which questions nationalism, the link between questioning nationalism and promoting communism seems pretty tenuous. I'm flagging this one for POV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by El Ojo (talk • contribs) 08:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quick summary of Wikipedia's antimilitarism page

Antimilitarism – A doctrine critical of nationalism and imperialism, often found in the anarchist and socialist movements. An explicit goal of the First and Second Internationals. Whereas pacifism is opposition to violence in general, antimilitarism is opposed to inter-states war and militarism. Antimilitarism is based on a critical analysis of the military state, the military-industrial complex, patriotism and nationalist concepts of sovereignty. Antimilitarism was commonly found alongside anti-clericalism, since the Church and the Army both represented repressive institutions. Antimilitarism, as a specific doctrine distinguished from pacifism, is not opposed to violence in general, but mainly to the state's monopoly on legitimate violence, represented by its control of police forces and the military. Antimilitarism is often a logical consequence of anti-statism, and vice-versa. There are different types of violence, some of which are legitimate and not. Capitalism has often been thought to be a major cause of wars. The military-industrial complex "pushes for war" because of private economic interests.--71.234.69.28 (talk) 01:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)