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I need desspitly to know what classification benztropine is under, thanks!

1. Benzotropine is an Anti cholingeric, if I am not mistaken. -Anonymous (IP logged obviously)

its spelled benzAtropine!

Medially the term anticholinergic is a misleading misnomer.... the correct classification of benzatropine, benedryl and other "anitcholoinergics" is cholinergic antagonist These types of chemicals bind to cholinergic receptors on the cell in the same, or simmilar way, as acetycholine does; however instead of initiating a response, they simply stay attached, without eliciting a response, inhibiting (preventing) the receptors activatation. When the antagonist is pushed off the receptor, a acetylcholine (or other cholinergic agonist*) molecule can then bind and activate the cell.

    • For the same reason, a substance such as acetylcholine (or black widow venom, curare and atropine...) would be classified as a cholinergic agonist--a substance that mimics acetylcholine and activates the cell. Refering to said substances as simply cholinergics is extreamly missleading. The term "cholinergic" simply denotes that the substance affects the cholinergic receptor sites. Thus the parent group "cholinergic" referst to both cholinergic antagonists (a.k.a anticholinergics) as well as cholinergic agonists (a.k.a cholinergics like acetylcholine).
Curare and atropine are antagonists, not agonists. Aenar 10:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

NOTE: This should be corrected on the wikipedia pages of <<anticholinergic>> and <<cholinergic>> perhaps by redirecting visitors to pages with the correct titles and replacing some of the terminology within.

Second, while Benzatropine is clasified as a cholinergic antagonist (=anticholinergic) that discription is extreamly broad--benzatropine would be more accuratly defined as a DOPAMINE REUPTAKE INHIBITOR (with cholinergic antagonisim as a side-effect). TMany pharmacuticals have chololinergic antagonistic effects, such as trycyclic antidepressentes or benadryl; however one would not primarilly referr to these as cholinergic antagonists (aka anticholinergics) they would be more accuratly reffered to tricyclinc antidepressents, or in the case of benadryl--an antihistamine.

I am not an expert in this field so you may want to do some research on your own and determine for yourself what is true.

Hope this helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.191.190.66 (talk) 00:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Another mnemonic

I didn't want to add this myself in case it's too crude, but my pharmacology professor taught us this: "Can't see, can't pee, can't spit, can't s***, and tachycardia." That describes the symptoms of blurred vision, decreased urinary output, dry mouth, constipation, and of course a fast heartbeat. Kat, Queen of Typos 01:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Is anticholergenic something different or just a gross misspelling of Anticholinergic? A google search for the former returns some results but all seem like they really want the latter? Can anyone that knows better shed some light? - Taxman Talk 21:35, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

1. In reply to your question, I should assume that the two are different because I wasnt aware that Benadryl (Diphenhydramine) was an Anticholinergic drug. The reason I involve Benadryl is because the first result of a google search on Cholergenic returns http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20031021/msgs/271639.html. - Xer0X 12:35, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

2. I believe answer 1 is in error. Benadryl is an anticholinergic, anticholergenic is a misspelling of anticholinergic. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.125.162.83 (talk • contribs).

I agree with 2. And I was wondering why antihistamines (H1 receptor antagonists) aren't listed in this article. But I'm not sure if all of them are anticholinergics, or only some. Diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate are, at least, but the antihistamine article doesn't seem to be very clear on this. --Galaxiaad 09:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

==3. I am not sure if this talk is about Benedryl or anticholinergics? I am interested because I have just read an article about anticholinergics decreasing functionality in the elderly (eg.anti reflux, incontinance drugs, etc.) this would then include ssri( anti depressant) drugs surely? Can anyone advise about this 'slowing down' effect on the elderly if not dementia per se?== Liz== —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.243.75.172 (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

Should this article be merged with deliriant? --Thoric 16:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] useless for the uninitiated

i have just been prescribed this drug and was hoping to find out a little bit about it here. i don't know if it is intentional, but unless you are versed in medicine the information here is pretty much useless. just thought i'd let that be known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.64.44.85 (talk) 21:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree. At least the introduction should be accessible to ordinary people. What does all the technical pharmacological terminology mean? Is there anyone who can prepare a translation into English? (Sorry for the sarcasm. I just mean the problem is serious.)
Some guidelines: Add explanatory remarks to all the technical terms in the introduction. Give some main examples in the intro. Explain in lay language what the technical definition means. Zaslav (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)