Talk:Anti-Christian violence in India
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[edit] Issues with sources
A number of Christian news websites have been used to source this article. These websites have a clear conflict of interest, since they were made to raise awareness on persecution against Christians. Given their natural bias, these websites are not reliable sources. Please reference the article from neutral sources. Nishkid64 (talk) 01:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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- These sites, especially Christian Solidarity Wordwide is also used as a reference in the Christianity in India article. See this [1]. However an effort is going on to find reliable and neutral sites. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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- WP:RS states partisan sources should be avoided at all costs. CSW is partisan, its like asking Hindu Unity to interpret the world and then give them a soapbox on wiki. It should be removed on sight.Bakaman 00:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Genuine violence on Christians is being deleted by someone with POV
The sad Sister Abhaya murder case is an example of violence perpetrated against Christians. It so happens that it was perpetrated by insiders. For some reason, a person with POV keeps removing this information, which has been validated by human rights workers as a genuine violation of human rights.Ezhava (talk) 16:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I have never seen such manipulative statement. See below. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
And also assume good faith. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I am afraid your statements are a little self-contradictory. You claim that any violence perpetrated by Christians is 'criminal', but any violence perpetrated on Christians is ipso facto 'religious'. This, alas, shows a clear POV. There is the Muringoor Center incident, where 975 Christians have been murdered. You surely don't claim this is also 'criminal'? 975 people over 10 years? I am sorry, that is religious violence targeting Christians. Ezhava (talk) 16:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
No calim of mine is self-contradictory. I have never said that any violence perpetrated by Christians is criminal. In this article only those facts will remain which are Religious violence. The argument you are showing is clearly POV. In this article there is no general crime incident and general crime incidents will not stay here. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
You objected to merging this with 'Religious violence' in the AfD because you wanted to have something that was about 'Violence against Christians'. Now you change your mind and do not want 'Violence against Christians'. I am sorry, that is contradictory. You are, in effect, saying, "My POV is better than anybody else's POV". This is not in the right spirit. Ezhava (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
"Now you change your mind and do not want Violence against Christians" whoa? who changed mind? Do not try to misinterprete my statement. I objected because it is about 'Violence against Christians'. Now what 'Violence against Christians' mean? I hope any person with minimum knowledge in Religion and Religious violence will understand. 'Violence against Christians' mean violence against some people because they are Christians. Sister Abhaya murder case was not Religious violence. Sister Abhaya was not murdered for her religion, she was not murdered due to her Christian admiration. This deliberate disparging of the article's subject and misinterpretation of other's statement is not good faith. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deliberate manipulation is being done with POV
First of all maintain WP:CIVIL. Sister Abhaya murder case was an criminal incident, a rape and homicide case. This was not religiously motivated incident. It is completely absurd to claim this incidence as anti-Christian violence. According to your argument, any rape of Hindu woman by some Hindu mob can be referred to as anti-Hindu violence. Any snacting of a Hindu person by some Hindu gangsters can be referred to as anti-Hindu violence. Absurd argument. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Disputed paragraph
I double-checked the sources, and none of them seemed to confirm what the paragraph said, that this nun was murdered because of her religion by a Christian. In fact, they didn't even seem to confirm that she was killed by a Christian. Not being able to verify that the information was accurate, I removed it for now, but once the two of you are unblocked, you'll be able to discuss it in more detail, and if there's another source that can verify the information, you'll be able to add it then. -FisherQueen (talk ยท contribs) 21:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Christian centre in Kerala
While this may suggest Anti-Christian prejudice and violence, nowhere in the article does it say without question that this is Anti-Christian violence perpetrated by Hindus, instead it covers a tragic denial of justice allegedly because of some wealthy influential members of society. So at this point it is Original Research. Darrowen (talk) 05:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Probably WP:SYN. These were input by user Ezhava. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 05:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
- I have also removed some of the incidents you listed from the Vinay Lal article. Those incidents were against Christians, but in no way, does the article or the Vinay Lal piece explain how they were religiously-motivated. Nishkid64 (talk) 17:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
That is not some incidents, that is one incident, only one incident - the murder of George Kuzhikandam. I have just written it from the Vinay Lal article. I agree with you particularly in this George Kuzhikandam case. I google searched twice about George Kuzhikandam murder case. But all the references I found mention that the motivation behind the murder is not clear, some list it as anti-Christian, others say it for money. So it is better not to mention this incident. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 12:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
