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[edit] One of the most important anti-Canadian groupings was missed

If you take a look at the NOT CANADA site, for example, you'll find harsh critism of the racism and xenophobia endured by new (and not so new) immigrants. Those who have moved to Canada to find a better life only to have their dreams shattered and their savings depleted due to not being able to find suitable employent in their fields. The excuse usually being that their qualifications are not recognised or that they don't have "Canadian experience". This is inspite of the fact that the Canadian government requires theses qulaifications as a prerequisite for residency. 213.130.123.28 (talk) 09:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Humourous Anti-Canadianism

how can this section not mention the southpark movie and the song "blame canada"? i'm flabbergasted. Tschroeder 22:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Canadian? hahah, I would bet money that this entry was started as a joke and some victims of their own brain-drain decided to get serious. Canadians are all cute and cuddly and sound funny....everyone should have one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.74.110 (talk) 06:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Taking the heat

Most of the lines that seem to have created controversy here were written by me, as any quick check of the page's history would have told you. So why are you all so mad at Ceasar?. PS I think the Harper quote needs to come back, it shows how Canadians are much more likey than other peoples to question the value of their own home country. Kevlar67 08:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brain Drain?

According to Statistics Canada, the so-called "brain drain" in Canada is a myth. It is typically used by neo-conservatives looking for yet more reasons to cut social spending. I just had a little look through Google and while I can't find the StatsCan figures, I have found many articles which cite the figures. Does a citation need to be direct, or can it come second-hand? SmashTheState

[edit] Brazil

The whole Brazil-versus-Canada story has been pretty much forgotten in Brazil. I bet most people don't even remember it. It was more a joke than anything else, as most things go in Brazil (for the good or the bad of it).

I was in Brazil in June 2005, and saw ads prominently using Canadian flags. Sure looked to me like nobody there remembers (if they are knew) of any trade spat with Canada.

[edit] Ann Coulter

"She has often proposed extreme solutions to Canadian dissent, such as a military invasion of Canada[2], and has said that Canada should be grateful that the US "allows" it to exist on the same continent."

First she's crazy. Second Canada doesn't exist because the USA allows it to. Thirdly, and finally, unless Canada turned into a third world country where it's Leader wanted to destroy and/or conquer the Earth(DEFINETELY WILL NOT HAPPEN) would there be an invasion.

I agree with the above statement

[edit] Soviet Canuckistan

The current wording misleadingly links the phrase Soviet Canuckistan with Pat Buchanan, and I'd go so far as to say it implies he coined it. Clearly this is not the intention of the article, so it needs fixing. --88.109.230.172 07:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me where it says he invented the term? Can you prove to me he didn't? Even if he didn't, the article, by using the term first and then saying he used it, would, if anything, create the impression it existed before; this looks like a case of stretching an article well beyond what it actually says. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 08:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The article says "Soviet Canuckistan is a phrase used by Pat Buchanan". How does that not imply his ownership of the phrase? I've moved the introduction to the phrase to the previous paragraph to provide some separation. I'm sure you're going to revert it.
(A simple Usenet search shows it being used as far back as 1996) --88.109.230.172 17:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
See, now "Soviet Canuckistan" is an unreferenced term, and the article doesn't say Buchanan used it. "Used" and "invented" and "Ownership" are very different concepts. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] is Fred Phelps worth mentioning?

Phelphs isn't particularly anti-Canadian any more than he's anti-anything-else. Sure, someone who hates all western countries therefore also hates Canada, but that's a pretty trivial sort of "anti-Canadianism", so I'm not sure it's useful to mention him here. --Delirium 20:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This article is interesting because everyone wants to remove everything from it. He's a notable- not trivial- figure and his brand of anti-Canadianism is fairly distinct, making it an interesting note. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opening paragraph

I hardly see how Taliban attacks in their own country, on Canadian soldiers can be viewed as anti-Canadianism. More like anti-colonialism. I think another example should be put in. --Mista-X 03:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Only if you think Canadians are there to colonize Afghanistan, not exactly an uncontroversial idea. Anyway, terrorist attacks on Americans, outside of the US, are often cited as evidence of anti-Americanism, so I don't see how this is different. Furthermore, I made it clear in that paragraph that the Taliban don't single out Canada in particular, but are just anti-Western in general. If you can think of a better example of that, but which still involves Canadians, that's fine. I'd have no problem with that. Kevlar67 00:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
The difference is that attacking Canadians soldiers in their own country is a bad example of anti-Canadianism, when their country is under attack/occupation. IF, for example, a Canadian journalist was kidnapped Iraqi resistance style, then one could argue anti-Canadianism (though it would most likely still be anti-western then specifically Canadian). I just don't see how targeting a soldier should be included. War is war and soldiers should expect to be attacked. --Mista-X 01:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
To say that Canadians are trying to colonize Afghanistan is a gross mischaracterization of the situation. Vranak
In your opinion maybe, but I'm not sure what else you call invading, occupying, terrorizing, killing, plummaging, forcing a certain socio-political system on another country, etc. Anyhow, my point is still that fighting a foreign soldier on your own turf is a bad example of discrimination. Would Soviet Soldiers be anti-German because they were fighting for their land in WW II? No, they were anti-Nazi. They recognized Germany was the enemy but not all the people. Same shit. --Mista-X 18:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Don't be naive. Vranak

[edit] Lamest Anti-article ever?

It seems to me that most Anti-Canadianism is either extremely trivial and generalized such as applies to all Western Nations, or is an example of over sensitivity. All neighboring nations (and most non-neighboring nations) have certain stereotypes about each other. Canada's tends to be overwhelmingly positive.

I don't think they even deserve an Anti-article. Though, Quebec might. Since to be honest, the only real Anti-Canadian sentiment in this article, stems from...other Canadians. All of which issues are covered in other specific articles. I don't think every nation that Fred Phelps ever bashed (the psychotic Westboro crazy that he is) deserves a wikipage about it.

I also find it rediculous that it notes Canada defiantly embracing self-deprecating humor, when the worst example is stereotypes about Hockey and Soviet Canuckistan. It hardly serves to draw a parallel with say, Jewish self-deprecating humor. Since unlike Canadians, there is a history of virulent mainstream anti-semitic messages. So to compare them (even subtly) is insulting.

Beyond that, Canadians are probably the least self-deprecating people on the planet. They are extremely sensitive.

In any case, any nation whose flag some liberal Americans use to sew on their backpacks while hiking across Europe, can hardly be a martyr worthy of a page devoted to it. Also, that 'few acres of snow' comment was misattributed. It was referring to a specific tiny area, I think, Victoria island or such, but Canada seems to love that quote regardless.

Beyond that, the popular culture examples are if anything, affectionate parodies without an ounce of actual anti-canadianism. Half of them were written by Canadians. Look at any other Anti-whatever article to see the difference. Come on. The examples are from Michael Moore, The Simpsons, South Park and Mystery Science Theatre. I'm sure there is an SNL skit somewhere or a Boys in the Hall skit that they can find to add.

I agree it's not a heavy issue; I was mystified by how upset this article made one person. But it's well-known stuff; that's really the threshold of inclusion. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 20:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
It's just odd that we have articles devoted to Anti-Americanism, Anti-Islamism, Anti-Semitic...All of whom have had real and devastatingly unhappy consequences, from the mild loss of opportunity to death, sometimes on an mass scale. Yet alone of them, we have Anti-Canadianism, that uses as its main examples, affectionate parodies from cartoons, a rant by a madman which would be better included under Homophobia and an reiteration of the Quebec debate that is already extensively covered in another article. So it just seems that the inclusion of this article has no real merit beyond a sort've perverse pride. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.169.233.53 (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC).
I believe the "few acres of snow" is from Voltaire referring to Acadia (now Nova Scotia). Sepeatist Quebecois who are anti-canadian aren't the only ones in regards to a particular region. Calgarians are known for some of this sentiment but particularly Newfoundlanders as some in that province are openly still for separation. Oh yeah, and if the "I am not Canadian" reference is going to be said for the "I am Canadian" commercial, mentioning "I am a newfoundlander" should also be written. In the parody commercial, the commentator speaks about his grandfather being "pissed off" at confederating. Canking 00:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

This article is complete nonsense. The article cites Ashton Kuchner in the Movie "Dude Where is My Car?" My brother and I were laughing like crazy at this article - I suppose we preferred to believe that there was an intelligence behind the absurdity. This word has absolutely NO currency except for wikipedia - no one is concerned about it - etc. But the word and this article are worthwhile because they reveal the absurdity of this type thinking and point implicitly to that other phantasy word "anti-americanism". And by the way unsigned above "anti-americanism" is not generally accepted as referring to anything. Canuckistani 14:43, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Who the hell hates Canadians?

As a rabid Anti-Canadian,I vote this article stays.I'm aware that Canadians like to think they're the most loved people on the planet,but it needs to be known that not everyone holds them in high regard.

No signature, eh? Pendragon39 18:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
I also hate how they drive. Passive aggression anyone? Surely this should be in the article. 70.112.5.35 (talk) 13:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

So you are saying this article should stay up because your anti-Canadian and you want this article to make Canadians feel bad? Wow. I'm so glad your priorities are so straight. Are you American, by chance? Americans seem to be the only people who say this type of stuff. Not anti-Canadian stuff, im sure other countries dont like us either, but only Americans go onto the internet and bash Canada. This discussion isn't about your personal feelings towards Canada though, it's about if it is a relevant article.

Hey, Canada, I just wanted to say that this American Wikipedia contributor stands on guard for thee! Love to the true North strong and free from the Pennyroyal region of Kentucky. Alan Canon (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move

Does anyone mind if I move this to Anti-Canadian sentiment? We're inventing a term here. Marskell 12:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

No we're not [1] but it wouldn't be that drastic a move. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 17:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Well this is a garbage word that has no currency among those who speak english - who cares what you do with it. My vote would be that this article get erased.Canuckistani 15:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Canuckistani (talk • contribs).

How about "Canada bashing"? Pendragon39 18:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] refimprove

I tagged the article as 'refimprove' after stumbling across this page in a reference to Soviet Canuckistan. Anyhow, I tagged the whole article. It should be clear which sections are wholly unreferenced and which are okay. Use of the 'fact' tag on each unreferenced sentence would be too distracting. - Aagtbdfoua 17:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article is an unnecessary one

As everyone knows, Canadians are Americans so we just could relink this site to refer to Anti-American -article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.192.112.249 (talk) 14:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)