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[edit] Original name

what about the story that his surname was Quintanilla?

I heard it was Quiñones or Quiñónez.--Rockero 20:08, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Quinn's grandfather was Irish and his father was half Irish and his name was indeed Quinn. No need to start an urban legend - just look it up in Quinn's autobiography.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.63.68.177 (talk • contribs).
I too had long thought that "Anthony Quinn" was a nom de Hollywood. But Quinn's memoir, The Original Sin, is rightly decisive in this matter.202.36.179.65 21:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Acting: No mention of "Barabbas (1962)"

Kind of surprised there's no mention of the film "Barabbas(1962)" Millions of people got Quinn's image burned into the memory as the face of the man who was spared cruxifiction by the Jerusalem mob who chose to spare him versus Jesus, according to the Bible. I'd think that the film is notable, irrespective of the movie's box office performance, or reviews of Quinn's performance. It is widely screened on TV every year during the Easter season, and that must make it one of his most watched films, not only in the United States, but in all predominently Christian countries. Scupper 13:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why I rewrote much of this entry

I often consult Wikipedia on show business matters. Nearly always, the entries all well-written, and I would guess that that is the case because they are written by professional publicists. This entry is a curious exception; while I cannot dispute the facts, the prose was in need of a lot of polish, which I proceeded to supply. I revere Quinn as a Hollywood giant and as a manly man, but have not seen all that many of his films (e.g., I have never seen Viva Zapata). My favorite Quinn role is the title role in The Magus. I did not know that Quinn was a rogue in the bedroom until I read this entry. I suppose the idea of bearing Anthony Quinn's child must have thrilled more than one pretty woman.202.36.179.65 21:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tonight show

In an earlier appearance on The Tonight Show hosted by Johnny Carson, Quinn remarked that people were coming up to him and saying, "ZORBA", carrying on in Greek in a vain attempt at conversation. I think he was being modest because he said, "I don't speak a word of Greek. I'm Mexican." I recently saw him in a Fellini film, speaking what sounded, (to me), like perfect Italian. Granted, competency in Spanish, English and Italian do not a Greek speaker make.--W8IMP 03:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guns for San Sebastian

Missing from movie titles. 72.47.9.64 (talk · contribs) - 06:37, 3 July 2007

[edit] The Shoes of a Fisherman

Missing from movie credits - 12.178.74.70 (talk · contribs) - 03:58, 5 July 2007

[edit] Opening Paragraph Rewrite - 5/23/08

Quinn was both an actor and "movie star" of considerably greater note than the former lead indicated. The article as a whole does a decent and well-intended job of skimming through Quinn's career but misses several essential points - that he was a massive presence in the films he made, that he was a major box office draw, and that most of his films prior to 1970 were A level major studio releases that were widely discussed and frequently very popular.

The shortcomings of this article are reflective of a broad problem in Wiki articles on popular culture: since computer/internet use in the U.S. still skews rather younger than older, articles tend do give undue weight to living subjects and relatively recent phenomena. The median age in the U.S. is now 36.5 years or so, which would put half the country born in 1971 or after. That could account for why cinema lightweights like James van der Beek and Jennifer Aniston among many others get as much cyber ink as a figure of far greater significance as Quinn was and is. (A related outrage - one of hundreds - would be to compare space given to Gary Cooper to Tom Cruise - other heavyweight vs. flyweight examples abound.)

The rewrite of the lead is a first step. The rest of the article provides, as noted above, an acceptable framework on which to build an article more worthy of its subject. Sensei48 (talk) 05:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

"...he was a massive presence in the films he made..." POV?
"...he was a major box office draw..." CITE?
Tom Cruise's box office receipts flyweight??? Compare his receipts as a percentage against production cost of the film, and as a percentage of that years gross, versus Cooper.
The bottom line what is "hip" at the moment will get the most "ink" (then) / "webspace" (now). It is called Pop Culture. IP4240207xx (talk) 06:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
...he was a massive presence in the films he made.
Supportable from critics, but of course virtually any statement about a film can be.
''Tom Cruise's box office receipts flyweight??? Compare his receipts as a percentage against production cost of the film, and as a percentage of that years gross, versus Cooper.
The clear sense of my rewrite and comments are about the artistry of the actor, not about the receipts s/he generates. Surely you are being disingenuous on this point. I know of neither any major serious critic nor any reputable film historian who takes Cruise seriously as anything other than a pretty boy movie star; Cooper, Gable, Tracy, Fonda, Stewart and a few others are iconic figures in American film acting - need a citation? [1]
The bottom line what is "hip" at the moment will get the most "ink" (then) / "webspace" (now). It is called Pop Culture.
My point exactly. And there is nothing more fundamentally antithetical to the nature of an encyclopedia than that. There are plenty of editors out there in hosts of articles who are striving to make Wikipedia something more than a message board for pop culture - or pop perception. Sensei48 (talk) 09:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
If it is from a credible source, that is what is needed, doesn't matter if you or I agree with it, at least it takes it out of Wiki:POV & Wiki:OR. That is the point. It doesn't matter what you or I think. No Original Research; No Point of View. We are not writers here, we are the editors with the red pencil gathering sources. Cruise v. Cooper: You don't say what criteria in your original sentence, you just say: "(A related outrage - one of hundreds - would be to compare space given to Gary Cooper to Tom Cruise - other heavyweight vs. flyweight examples abound.)" So, I was trying to make a point, On What Basis? You have no idea about how I feel about Cooper or Cruise, and if you take WIKI Policy to heart, you never will. I am just the guy with the red pencil trying to get you to be a better contributor. But, if you are really smart, and check the edit history's, you will find that I have spent a lot more time with Quinn and Cooper than with Pitt and Cruise, and that should just be about all you need to know about me and what I think. But, lets just dot the "T's" and cross the "I's" shall we. IP4240207xx (talk) 10:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello again IP4 - I neglected to add this page we've been discussing to my watchlist and hence missed your comments of 24 May until now. The first and really only significant response I would make is that I wouldn't at this point disagree with your revision of my sentence in the lede - until and unless I gather what you or another editor would find to be acceptable sourcing. Even as revised, it still works better than what I replaced in terms of establishing WP:Note.
Please note that I have restricted my other comments and observations to which you take exception to Talk pages; they are observations inviting just such response as you made and to which I have counter-responded. Cruise vs. Quinn is not a real issue, and I didn't intend it to be anything more than a Talk page note - not a significant point in an article requiring proper sourcing.
The functionality of working on Wiki articles is a somewhat different point, however. As I'm sure you're well aware (note that I am not questioning "if you are really smart" - please add a smiley here), even creditable objective sourcing can be found for a broad range of apparently POV statements regarding art and culture. Richard Schickel might well love a film or actor that Kenneth Turan hates, yet the stature as critics of both would make either an acceptable source.
The consequence of this is that on Wiki the function of editing transcends that of red penciling, which is actually more the province of copy editing. A better example of editing might be found in what Ezra Pound did with T.S. Eliot's The Waste Land - in suggesting edits that amounted to removing about half of the original text, Pound helped Eliot create what amounts to a different (and in general critical consideration, a better) poem, leading Eliot to dedicate the poem to Pound, referring to him as "il miglior fabbro" - "the better maker" or "the better craftsman." The fact that Wiki has a qualitative rating scale for articles and that administrators often demand extreme revisions to existing articles before they are promoted to a higher level on that scale puts the act of editing here on a different footing than one of merely of finding sources for points already expressed.
And if you understand that - and look across the broad range of my edits on a host of other subjects, characterized by careful sourcing and civility in language and attitude - then you will be a better contributor. Sensei48 (talk) 19:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)