Talk:Antero Niittymäki

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To-do list for Antero Niittymäki: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Expand Finland career info to Finland Project standards
  • Find more information on him outside of hockey to help with Biography Project
  • Find missing stats (EHL postseason, EJC, WJC) - still missing after using what was published on NHL.com!! Is there any hope? :(
  • Find archive source for broken links in references section (mostly boxscores)

This page has been moved around and discussion exists on Talk:Antero Niittymaki as well.

[edit] "Merkin bastardizations"

While it's useful to add measurements in both European and American units, I consider it highly inappropriate to substitute centimeters for feet/inches in a derogatory manner. Antero is, after all, a player on an NHL team in the United States, so both measurements are equally appropriate. You'll also find that practically all NHL player pages give the players' height and weight in feet and pounds because, well, they're playing in North America. In a nutshell, your units of measurement aren't better than anyone else's. -Elrith, 16.8.05

I know that the US is one of the few, if not the only, country not to use the metric system, but since Antero plays in the US it is appropriate to have these measurements in US units. I do not mind having the other measurements since he did play in Finland for a while, and the rest of the world can understand better, and I appreciate the edit for that, but the way it was worded was very offensive. "Added metric measurements" would have been a much more appropriate and polite way of phrasing your edit. Maybe you should think before you type next time. --Hazelorb
"Merkin bastardisations" mainly referred to the wildly inaccurate "phonetic spelling" of his name, which would have sounded unintelligible to a native Finnish speaker. JIP | Talk 12:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Did not have to be phrased that way, still. Besides, not everyone knows IPA and it was more accurate than the one that was on the Flyers website back in 2004. It's good that it's in IPA now, so that's why Wikipedia exists - to better the articles! Not to insult those trying to add information, you know? Hazelorb 20:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English Wikipedia

Why is Nittymaki's (I know he's a Finlander) name being spelt with Finnish diacritcs. This is the English Wikipedia, are Angolphone names being placed (without diacritics) on the Finnish Wikipedia? Seeking information, rather then an argument. GoodDay 21:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You really missed all that? :) Its on going debate that ramps up every couple months. I'm on the non-diacritics side personally. ccwaters 21:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I didn't miss it. In fact I've posted earlier at that discussion, I'm a non-diacritics backers as well. GoodDay 21:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
This article should be moved to Antero Nittymaki, to conform with concensus of NHL player bio pages. See Jaromir Jagr, as an example. GoodDay 19:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
As usual I don't believe this should happen. I can understand on team pages not to use them as jerseys don't use them. But for the article about a player it should be left the way it is. We don't change Pavel Bure's name to Paul Bure even though that is the english spelling of it. --Djsasso 21:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

:::::See my compromise proposal on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format. If we can't have ALL euro/french bio articles the same, perhaps this compromise is a better way. My main interest, is to end the Diacritical debate/dispute once & for all. GoodDay 21:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I've scratched out my compromise proposal, it wasn't under Rfc (my mistake). PS- This article should match the NHLPA version of NHL bios. GoodDay 22:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
As long as Nittymaki is an NHL player, his article should be simillar to his NHLPA bio page: English title, Diacritics in bio content. GoodDay 23:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Get this now, his name is NITTYMÄKI. He is not owned by the Philadelphia Flyers, he is not a slave and they don't decide how his name should be spelled. His birth certificate does. He is a finish born hockey player, with a name spelled with a Ä, not an A. The Ä makes the pronunciation very much diffrent from the name spelled with an A. Be proud over that there is cultural diffrence in this world, other languages use diacritics, finish language doesn't. NHLPA, and all other databases don't decide how a players name is spelled. Not using diacritics is for keeping it simple so search functions work. --Krm500 09:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll be glad when these Diacritical disputes are over, one way or the other (diacritics or no diacritics). GoodDay 18:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
At least you're not like the troublemaker who purposely moved pages to non diacritical forms, just to get attention to his argument, without any consensus, ie this one and Selänne, etc. The war is annoying, but that was just un-goodwikipediaediting-like.
Since the redirects from the non diacritical versions exist... It is kind of like saying that pi should never be written as a symbol, since that is a Greek letter, or that the entirety of the "special characters" section below every edit box on every English wikipedia page should not be there. I mean iso-8859-1 is default for a purpose...
But my arguments will obviously not convince you, and yours will not convince me. This war is never ending. And in the end it does not matter. Well, except to maybe the players, in the broadest sense. As in, when I had Niittymäki signing stuff, he was pretty happy when some of it had the ä. I am sure many players feel like that. It is not you who is ruling the world and how they spell their name... Ohh whatever I cannot whine about this anymore it is so pointless. Hazelorb 07:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
See Krm500's compromise proposal for NHL Euro/French Canadian bio articles, at his talk page & mine. GoodDay 18:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stats

Niitty's NHL.com stats should be incorporated with the wiki current stats. Hazelorb 04:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Done as of today. My next question for anyone actually reading this is this old archived version of the page: [1] a lot of the information was removed back when the page was moved to the non-diacritic version because it resembled a "teen beat article" I think was the phrasing - now that this article is only B-class and lacking in personal information, as raters told me, would any of this be good to put back in? I am the one who tracked it all down so I would know which references to get back and as you can see they're all there. I am very meticulous with that sort of thing. He also had a daughter recently (I believe he has another child as well) so maybe that kind of thing could be put in as well. Thoughts? Hazelorb 08:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)