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[edit] COPYRIGHT

[edit] Possible infringement

Can anyone explain the remarkable similarity of this article to the Microsoft MSN Encarta article at http://encarta.msn.com/text_761573948__1/Antelope.html??? — DIV 2006-11-01

That was an unbelievable infringement that lasted almost a whole YEAR (January 14 - January 1)! I've removed all of it. Thanx for the notification via {{copypaste}}. 68.39.174.238 21:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

How about someone rewriting the gist of the old text (in a way that doesn't plagarize Encarta)?--GRM 21:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English usage and technical terms

[edit] Antelopinae don't always mean Antelope

If I am right, the "Antelope" doesn't include only "Antilopinae". The "tragelaphus" (kudu) is not an Antilopinae but actually is an Antelope!!! Someone should correct this mistake!

--Suhardian 20:53, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why is the taxbox gazelle?

The taxbox has the title gazelle and a picture of a gazelle. This article is about antelopes not gazelles!

Ive changed the taxbox because is was wrong.

[edit] Formulation nits

The remark about species purity (and nature being far more flexible) and 'Believe it or not, there is no such thing as ...' are style bugs and unbecoming of an encyclopedia article.

[edit] cleanup-english

The article requires a lot of work to get it to a decent standard. Archfalhwyl 15:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plural

Isn't the plural of antelope antelope?

It could be both antelope and antelopes. Any decent dictionary will tell us that. 153.2.247.33 (talk) 08:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I've heard it both ways, but most common usage seems to be (based on conversation with biologists, not any actual convention) "antelope" is preferentially used over "antelopes" unless specifically reffering multiple kinds of antelope. "Antelope" is used when referring to all antelope, as a group. Of course this is entirely based on my experience, I don't believe there is a hard and fast rule. (If there is, someone please inform me!) Bovidaeloony (talk) 02:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bull and cow or buck and doe

What are the correct terms for antelopes?? Internet sites appear to disagree. Georgia guy 01:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It depends on the species. Cow-like (large) antelope use cow/calf, sheep-like (small antelope) use ewe/lamb. I've seen doe/fawn used by hunters and other individuals who are more familiar with deer than antelope. Bovidaeloony (talk) 02:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vagina

Is this the correct term for this section, or is this some sort of wiki-vandalism? I have not found a definition of this word that means anything other than female genitalia. 71.140.144.29 00:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC) Unregistered User JGH

[edit] Miscellaneous questions

[edit] Hybrid Species Section

Is there a reason this section is included? It seems to be highly specific and somewhat esoteric for an otherwise general page. The list seems to be more or less directly from "Exotics in the Wild", which is cited. Perhaps it would be better suited as a paragraph under "species" or "classification" that species readily hybridize in captivity and include a few of the most common examples? Bovidaeloony (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the list, but left overview paragraphs. I can't point to a specific source, but it feels very similair to something I've read (the first three examples especially) which makes me uneasy. If anyone feels it should be restored, please feel free to do so. Bovidaeloony (talk) 01:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Behaviour

I've heard that antelopes will shake violently after being chased by a lion, which helps them manage potential traumas. It's a stress-response. Is this true? Anyone have a link? --npr

[edit] Species

We have plenty of native antelope in North America -why don't they get mentioned? (where the deer and the antelope play, etc.) And do all antelope have spiral horns? --rmhermen

How closely related are these antelopes? Oryx are in the subfamily Hippotraginae, Duikers in Cephalophinae, and so on. In particular, Kudu are more closely related to cows than other antelope. With that in mind I will note that the group is a human construct as opposed to a taxonomical one. Furius

Not all antelope have spiral horns. The American pronghorn is not a true antelope but usually considered the sole living member of the family Antilocapridae (though some have classed it in the Bovidae). 153.2.247.33 (talk) 08:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speed

By what criterion is the antelope fastest? The cheetah is slower, and it tires faster. -phma

[edit] Hoof Structure

Someone is looking for information on the following point: what does the skeleton of an antelope look like? Specifically, what is the structure of its hooves? "Is the nail of a hoof lobe just a thin wall? Could you nail a piece of rubber or something to it?" The issue is something about hypothetical "horseshoes" for antelopes. --Kris Schnee 09:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Species subsection

It seems a bit "strong" to have this whole section deleted. I am not even sure that the perpetrator is not some sort of vandal, but I'd rather know the logic behind the cut before being judgmental! Can the originator advise?

Is there any sort of reason behind the species list? It appears to be a list of randomly selected antelope (some types, some species) without any appearant organization. I think a more representitive list may be preferable to outright removal. Bovidaeloony (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and organized by subfamily. Bovidaeloony (talk) 01:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Good job, Bovidaeloony. However, I think the placement up top makes the article unbalanced. Might be better to have a template to cross-reference all spieces at the bottom of the article. Note emphasis on all, I think the current incomplete list inadequate myself. What thinks you?—GRM (talk) 16:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Serious rewrite and upgrade required

Now that the Encarta stuff has been removed, is anyone going to volunteer to rewrite this important (candidate CD) article? Unfortunately, I do not have all my references to hand..., but maybe I could make a start sometime...—GRM 18:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image: Black Lechwe

Does anyone have a photo of Black Lechwe that could be used on the Lechwe page?
—GRM 20:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey All, just a peculiarity - this article was quoted in a very interesting place, here. Volland 22:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are blue wilderbeest antelopes?

it says on this page that antelope is a generic term for bovidae who arn't goats, sheep or cattle, but arn't wilderbeest cattle?

No, wildebeest or gnus are antelopes related to the impala and the hartebeest. 153.2.247.33 (talk) 08:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citation Tags

Whoever marked this page as needing citation and cleanup, please indicate where, specifically the citations are needed. Some citations are given, so it is not clear which areas in particular need references.--AaronCarson (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)