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  1. March 2003 to December 2005
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Likely hood that Russia or the U.S. will claim Ant. in a hundred years time?

Is there any information that either nation has plans to incorporate Ant. into another state or territory? If not, who is more likely to obtain it?

-G

Australian stations

Felt the need to make the names of the Aussie bases less ambiguous. They were all named after explorers, so they are naturally ambiguous from day one. Davis already has a disambiguation pages due to the US place names. - Gaz 12:38 Mar 18, 2003 (UTC)

No problem, Gaz. You and I will disagree about some place names, no doubt, but these (I think) are clearly better for your change. Tannin

...and I am (after some research) about to rename them again. Seems the word "station" is appropriate in their names. See AAD home page. As a generality, I much prefer unambiguous names throughout. ie I would love to move [[Paris]] to [[Paris, France]]. I'm just not spoiling for a fight right now. (one day though...) - Gaz 13:30 Mar 18, 2003 (UTC)

Birth

The opening paragraph of this article claims that only one person has been born in Antarctica, but the "Demographics of Antarctica" article says there have been three. What do you think?

(William M. Connolley 16:38, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)) I don't like this piece of info being there, so prompted by your comment above I've removed it. It was wrong (the demog article lists names so is presumably accurate). And that kind of info belongs in demog anyway. But worse: the births-in-antarctica stuff are distasteful (and also completely pointless) political stunts designed to bolster political claims. So its best not over-publicised.
I've heard a succestion, that the first birth would have been already around the late 40's, with a member of the Soviet whaling fleet being the mother. Anyhow the claim about Palma sounds like Argentine propaganda. When there's no scientific success, it's the only way to get to the records with such nonsense. Could be removed as such.

Politically nonsense or not it is a na event that hold meaning in Antarctica and to the world. You people are a bunch of wanna be intellectuals with no common sense.

Copyrighted map?

The map appears to be from National Geographic magazine. I'm pretty sure that magazine has a copyright policy. Can someone verify or refute this? (And remove the map if necessary.) --Eitheladar 06:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Outposts of Antarctica

This is bad grammar. An outpost of something is a small area offset from the larger, named area. Guam is an outpost of the United States. Any outposts of Antarctica would have to be established elsewhere by Antarctic citizens. I'm thinking of moving the category to Outposts in Antarctica. --Yath 07:07, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Little America

I just created a page for this, but don't really know whether it's already listed on Antarctica under another name... if somebody can help... [[User:Rhymeless|Rhymeless | (Methyl Remiss)]] 10:32, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Time Zone

I wonder if someone was to ask you "May I have the time, please?" What would you say? Maybe this is a stupid question but, what's the time zone for Antartica? How's time being calcualted down there? --Garlics82 19:52, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

So far as the Australian stations go:
See [1]. I'll integrate this into the article. -- Chuq 01:12, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Officially, it's GMT, although McMurdo Station uses Christchurch, NZ time. -- Dave Cohoe 06:37, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Link suggestions

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I would like to request a Tourism of Antarctica article, but I don't know where I would. I'll post this on the Economy of Antarctica talk page too. Theaterfreak64 00:40, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Missing Picture

At some point I saw a picture on Wikipedia (or maybe the Commons) of a mountain in Antarctica, and a field of bluish ice in the forground. The caption explained somethign about how the ice was blue from layers melting and refreezing, I believe. I have searched like CRAZY but I can't find the image again. Anyone know what I'm talking about? --Brian Z 04:57, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sounds like Image:Lake_Fryxell.jpg I reckon. Worldtraveller 00:29, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
(William M. Connolley 09:23, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)) I think you're talking about a "blue ice area" [2]. I thought it was formed when the overlying snow blows off (not by melting), but the ref I've just found says both occur.

Image:Lake_Fryxell.jpg was the one! Thanks so much Worldtraveller!. --Brian Z 04:30, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Altered Picture

Why is an altered version of the Lake Fryxell picture used? The original (http://photolibrary.usap.gov/AntarcticaLibrary/LAKEFRYXELL.JPG) shows a lovely sky with a few small clouds, while the altered version puts a larger expanse of obviously fake-looking digital blue sky gradient over everything. Based on my technical expertise as a reader of a Kim Stanley Robinson novel, I get the impression that little clouds are important down there, or at least, I think they make for a nicer picture. Would you agree? Mike Serfas 18:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Area?

This article does not mention the size of Antarctica (surface area, km²). — Timwi 19:08, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, found it on de :-) — Timwi 19:14, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

External Links

Does the South Shetland page need its own Educative Links section? How is this different than the other external links, which appear to be educational as well? -- Dave C. 19:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can I claim Antartica?

So, is it possible for two young navigators to claim the slice between 90 degrees and 150?

Can you donate some of your pictures of Antarctica to WP? We need more pictures of ice. Oh, and some snow too. (SEWilco 15:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC))
No, you cannot, it must be a country that has dne something important there. ive been there (Argentinian Air force gave a little help) it is completely unusable and far from all countries (far from both Australia and South America) Argentino 11:55, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello Everyking, Government of Dominion of Melchizedek has official recognition from UN member states so its claim has more authority, and its claim is much older than yours. Melchizedek's Ambassador, Dr. Dewey Painter has actually spent 6 months there. Please return the reference to the article.

DoM also claims a large section of Antarctica. None of these claims is recognized by any established government.Insert non-formatted text here

I, Nachomania, wish to claim 1000 acres of Antarctica, maily for camping/exploration/barbeques. The land will be owned by Canada, with me as its premier, and probable sole resident. Just want to make sure everyone knows. Ok? :) I wish! Also, I wish about the barbeque. I'll be in my backyard...anyways, you probably couldn't, becuase you're not a country, and, if you were, I don't think it would go to well in the world today. Land claims are more...BNA era at the latest, really. Ooh! Triangle character!Δ! I hope that answers your question! User:Nachomania 19:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

And I, Jimbo, contest your claim. I also claim ALL of Antartica for Canada, with ME as its Premier. Ohh, and I did so like a week before you did. So there, what are you gonna do about it :P

Literature, Cinema, and TV set in Antarctica

Why do we have a huge section that's just a list of non-important films and anime, that is almost as beg as the rest of the Article? --Mariano July 5, 2005 08:05 (UTC)

Fair point. I bet "Europe" doesn't have such a list. Trim it to just the important ones, or delete entirely? William M. Connolley 2005-07-05 10:53:19 (UTC).
Another alternative would be to put it in a separate article. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 5 July 2005 12:03 (UTC)
A hole article about things that name Antarctica? I think there's nothing important in the list to preserve. Perhaps some Paper or Article about Antarctic climate, fauna or anything like that, but it doesn't apply for any of these examples. -Mariano July 5, 2005 13:22 (UTC)
Yes, I think it's useless and should be deleted. Argentino 5 July 2005 18:46 (UTC)
I don't see anything similar in Africa or Europe. Delete it. (SEWilco 5 July 2005 19:05 (UTC))

OK, I've removed it. For possible use, its pasted below. William M. Connolley 2005-07-05 21:03:57 (UTC).

"Pop culture references" was latest incarnation, pasted below. (SEWilco 18:27, 23 August 2005 (UTC))
Well done! William M. Connolley 21:43:16, 2005-08-23 (UTC).

Literature, Cinema, and TV set in Antarctica

Pop Culture References

  • Antarctica is the subject of a Duran Duran song, "My Antarctica".

Prehistoric Antarctica

Why isn't there a section in the article about the history of the continent throughout pre-historic times? It has not always been Earth's freezer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.33.111.21 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 17 July 2005.

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  • i added a short section 'geological history' which is rougly a (bad) translation from the german wp. Sarefo 03:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Melchisedek claim

Quoting from Washington Post article about Melchisedek:

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En.wikipedia.org does; this isn't the article to contest its status. El_C 02:07, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I was looking for an article. Nothing much on the web, and nothing on the CIA's World Fact Book. :) -- Dave C. 05:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Nice work on Frank Zappa, I'm a big fan. Hugely underestimated guitarplayer, very fond of the instrumentals esp. (treacherous cretins).  :) El_C 05:16, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Isn't it melting?

Hakusa - Wiki addict: 19:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC) Isn't it melting due to global warming? And if so, can anyone tell me wheather it is true that scientists estimate there will be more animals on it than at can hold sometime in the future.

For most of it, no. Most of antarctica is sufficiently cold (see pix, Climate_of_Antarctica) that a small rise in T won't make it melt. In fact the prediction is that increased snowfall (warmer air -> more moisture -> more snow) outweights the melt, for the next 100 years. Apart from surprises. Only the antarctic peninsula is melting: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=146. Dunno about the animals: I'm not a bio. William M. Connolley 20:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC).
I'm sure the definition of "more animals than it can hold" is awkward. I wonder how it is predicted that animals which currently live on rock and ice would be affected by having more rock. Even if grass appears I don't expect sheep and coyotes to quickly affect Antarctic animals. (SEWilco 20:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC))

Hakusa - Wiki addict: 20:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC) OK thanks very much.

The flag

Antarctica has no official flag. Its probably impossible to have one, since it isn't a nation state. Putting a flag on the ant page, with the title "flag of antarctica", is misleading (only if you click on the link do you get told, there is no flag). Why is there any reason to put this flag on the page? William M. Connolley 19:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC).

I think it is better to delete it. Argentino 21:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • In cases where there is no offical flag, the defacto flag or unoffical flag can be used eg Northern Ireland is a good example. The Flag of Antartica is slightly different since it does not relate to a politcal entity. However I believe the one used is in use in the continent from info provided at Flags of the World. Astrotrain 14:24, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

But I see no evidence that this is the defacto flag either. Antarctica is not an entity, so there is never any need to use the flag. Where do you see it used, and for what purpose? William M. Connolley 18:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC).

See Image:Antarc-flag2.gif for info provided on its usage. It seems to be an accepted flag in many quarters. Astrotrain 19:20, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks like someone wanted to use a country template to summarize some info about the region. The flag can be mentioned in the text. (SEWilco 20:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC))

Terra Australis?

The first sighting of Terra Australis was made by Captian James Cook in his first voyage(1768-1771). His mission was to discover the great southern land(Terra Australis) and he did so by discovering Australia. He called what he discovred Terra Australis Incognita this is where we get the word Australia from. His first actual sighting of Antartica was during his second voyage(1772-1775). He quickly added Antartica to Terra Australis Icongnita after this sighting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aussiebludgerned (talk • contribs).

I dont remember the story that way. i cant remember, however, where in this encyclopedia (it is so much divided in sections!) i read that Cook had seen dust upon icebergs and had deduced that there was land, so i went to the Argentine National Library, near my house and find in a book about cook, written by a guy "Longheatr" the same fact. I realy dont know what to beelive Argentino 19:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Just report what the book says and create a citation (title, author, publisher, year) for the book for verifiability of the fact. If the library's catalog is not online you might have to visit the library again to get the information. Fill in the blanks in a {{book reference}} entry and it will be formatted for you (see the template's Discussion page for documentation). (SEWilco 21:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC))
yea, because i live to work for free for the encyclopedia, you know, maybe none of you dont work/study, but I do. The next time i go to the library i'll do it. Argentino 12:15, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Discovery

I think there should be a section talking about the discovery of Antarctica, and about the speculation that Antarctica existed before it was even discovered. -- Phaldo 16:41, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

I think there should be some mention of the Scott Expedition along side of the Amundsen one. It seems disrespectful to omit it as they lost their lives attempting the same thing as Amundsen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 167.88.201.100 (talk • contribs).

I agree -- it seems odd that there is no mention of Scott anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plesner (talk • contribs)