Talk:Antakalnis Cemetery

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Comments	no refs. --Lysytalk 07:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saulės Cemetery

What is the English name of the Saulės Cemetery ? In Polish it is "Cmentarz Słoneczny", meaning "Sunny cemetery". --Lysy^talk 21:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

there should be no English name for the non-English cemetery. Let's stick to the official name and not to bother anymore. Iulius 06:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It would be interesting to know the origin of the name, though. The cemetery is in the woods on the hill, so it's rather "shadowy" than "sunny" today. But maybe the trees were not there 100 years ago. How old is the official name ? --Lysy^talk 07:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It is interesting for me as well, as I even did not know about the existence of such graveyard at all.. Its Lithuanian name is really uncommon for cemetery and sounds strange. I doubt whether it is of any historical significance. Iulius 09:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

besides, there is Saulės Valley in Antakalnis Iulius 10:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

An several Polish sources (rather reasonable ones), including the guide by Kłos, actually this cemetery is referred to as "Anatakalnis cemetery", and described in more detail, not the other one, so I assume it is rather significant, historically. --Lysy^talk 10:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

i meant the significance of the name Iulius 10:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I see. Maybe the name is rather new, as no older sources seem to mention it other than "St. Paul&Peter parish cemetery" or "Antakalnis cemetery". One hypothesis could be that this cemetery is of rather Polish than Lithuanian tradition and therefore Lithuanian authorities were not very interested in promoting it ? Frankly, if you go there, it seems very nice and historic but rather neglected. Many tombs fall apart. --Lysy^talk 10:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the name is very well recent. Most older Vilnius cemeteries are of Polish tradition more than Lithuanian, so this is not an exception. The fact is that almost all old cemeteries are neglected - that's the sad reality and it has nothing to do with Polish traditions indeed. Iulius 10:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but this could potentially explain why this cemetery was rather prominently mentioned in older sources, but is almost unknown in Vilnius today. I wonder when the "Antakalnis cemetery" name was transferred from the old ("the sunny") cemetery to the new ("the military") one. --Lysy^talk 11:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I might guess that that thing happened around the restoration of independence, and especially after the Lithuanian freedom stuggle victims were buried there. What I have just checked: in the propaganda style Soviet Vilnius guide (in Lithuanian) published in 1965 the cemetery are referred as Soviet Soldiers' and Partisans' Cemetery (which is very biased). Although in the 1977 guide the Antakalnis Cemetery is called simply Vilnius Soldiers' Cemetery with no specific emphasis. In fact, still no Anakalnis Cemetery.

Another hypothesis then: maybe the Saulės name was invented in lack of better name, when the "Antakalnis" name was needed for the former "Vilnius Soldiers' Cemetery". Isn't it located at Saulės street maybe ? --Lysy^talk 13:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)