Category talk:Antisemitism
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This category was nominated for deletion, renaming, or merging with another category on 2007 April 26. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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This category was nominated for deletion, renaming, or merging with another category on 2008 January 3. The result of the discussion was keep. |
- So are all the subcategories going to have to be renamed now too? I'm sometimes amazed that the absurdity of this place can still surprise me.--T. Anthony 04:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Apologies, I should have looked this up more thoroughly earlier. On learning more I see that the B'nai B'rith and Simon Wiesenthal Center prefer this spelling. I got thrown off by the statements about "scholarly concensus" which make no sense to me. However the people who have reason to care most about this now predominately use this spelling so I withdraw any complaints. Again, I'm sorry if I'd been insensitive.--T. Anthony 05:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Antisemitism template
The Anti-Semitism template is confusing and potentially misleading. Check out for instance the Host desecration page which has the Antisemitism template. It lists organizations and writers such as the Anti-Defamation League, Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, Deborah Lipstadt etc who are scholars and organizations involved in COMBATING antisemitism, i.e. they are Anti-anti-Semitism. To include them in the antisemitism template would make an unfamiliar reader think that they ARE anti-semites. It should probably include Anti-Semitic organizations like Neo-Nazis, and people like Hitler, the Protocols of Zion etc instead. Perhaps someone can correct the template to include a clarifying that Jonathan Sacks and Deborah Lipstadt are scholars who are NOT Anti-Semitic...maybe something like Organizations/Writers FIGHTING ANTI-SEMITISM would be more appropriate—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.199.177.246 (talk • contribs)
I know this is not considered polite, and i don't very well know an alternative, but i think the german word jude in the antisemitism picture is not quitte apropriate. (only a j perhaps like many europeans versions of the symbol. This one suggests the german stereotyping of jews is the most clear, when i would rather make the point it is actually the least clear, albeit the most obvious.) Ofcourse I trust (what is that called? judaic? israeli? ) historical analyses, but i think this invites surplus anti-germanism, hardly a way to sincerely counter discrimination , and the resent of the poor suppressed masses in general, perhaps. Neither is it representative, for what actually may have been the root cause of this anti-semitism: The general contempt of jewish and other minoritys(!?) human life. I don't mind, i don't want to be naughty either, i will try to forget of the hypocracy of this german word immediatly, (More russians died in german camps then did jews , they died there for rasist reasons.) If billions of ppl can't have it but this way, okay for me, but i think it helps not to trouble history. The J is much more representative because it was the lax rasist and antisemite attitude europewide and over many centurys that facilitated nazism and especially the jewish shoa/holocaust. Not specifically the german variety of it. If not that is the point made, what is ?77.251.179.188 09:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Probable misuse and misapplication of this category
OK -- perhaps the deletion of Category:Anti-Semitic people was a mistake because it seems that many/most of the names formerly found in that category have now made their way over to this more general category, and now this category is positively overflowing with individuals that may or may not be personally anti-Semitic (many of them are still living; thus the potential for libel al la John Seigenthaler, Sr.). We have obvious anti-Semites rightfully categorized like Hitler & the major Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, Holocaust deniers, and Neo-Nazis, but others are certainly more ambiguous ('anti-Zionists,' etc). For instance, in regards to ambiguity, I just removed the controversial American academic Kevin B. MacDonald from the category because it has never been definitively 'proven' that he is indeed an anti-Semite, and I have placed him under the more specific Category:Scholars of antisemitism (because he has written scholarly books on the subject of anti-Semitism). I think that it's fairly correct to say that he indeed harbors some anti-Semitic views (or views that are thought to be anti-Semitic by most), but it is not up to us here on Wikipedia to INFER things like this, but yet he continues to be wrongfully placed in this category. There is a disclaimer that states: "Adding this category to an article is in no way intended to imply that the subject of the article is antisemitic," but in all reality adding this category to an person's article is indeed tantamount to labeling a person/group/event as anti-Semitic. Others individuals in this category include Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Gilad Atzmon, Charley Reese, Lenora Fulani, Horst Mahler, and a host of others (just scroll through the category and look for individual names). Again, I think that we must be VERY CAREFUL about adding this category to the articles of living people lest Wikipedia be damaged by even more controversies that involve mislabeling/miscategorizing living people through the spreading of potentially damning information (even if it is not true!). It's best to let history decide stuff like this, I think. --Wassermann 12:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
- The presence of the Category:Antisemitism tag on a biography article does not imply that the subject of the article is antisemitic. It simply means that antisemitism is significantly discussed in the article. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 06:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
