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==Kurds==

Ansar al Islam is listed in Kurd ss a Kurdish group? Are they?

Ansar al-Islam is a Kurdish islamic group ! see * Mullah Krekar Interview

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[edit] Erna Solberg

The Foreign Nationals Directorate of Norway and the Security Police of Norway utilized this page as one of their sources in a case when the norwegian authorities wanted to expel Ansar al-Islam leader Mullah Krekar from Norway... S

To clarify, Norwegian officials used this article as a source on behalf of Solberg (who is the Norwegian minister of the interior). When asked if she knew what Wikipedia is, she said no. See [1] (in Norwegian). Haakon 11:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Right, thanks for filling in information, but it's not customary to edit other people's entries to discussion pages. Haakon 08:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Turn towards those who are on Haq.(AlQuran)

if you are on right path pl answer these questions. 1-Why you were helping sadam when he was making worst attrocities on Shia & kurds. 2-What is meant by the ayat to the prophet(SAWAW)that convey this message & if not done the task of prophethood is not done & Allah save you from enemies.After this the Prophet Said mun kun to mulahu fahaza aliyun mulah. narrated bu many sunnah books.Hazrat Umer & all muslims congratulated Hazear Ali(A.S). 3-Why Hazrat Umar stoped the prophet in writting last testimony to save umah from going astray. 4-Why usama was selected in the presence of such big sahabas at the last moment of prophet (A.S) 5- Why the prophet ordered everyone to go for Jihad under usama except Hazrat Ali (A.S) 6-Why no one went for Jihad inspite of curse from the holy prophet (SAWAW) 7-Why Hazrat Abubakar was stoped by God orders from proclaiming even one ayat of Sura Barat and God's ordered that either the prophet (SAWAW) should go himself or send member of his family.(Ahlaybait). so the prophet sent Hazrat Ali (A.S) narrated by many Sunnah books. 8-According to Bukhari even Hazrat samia (PBUH) was more superior than Hazrat Umar. 9-If Hazrat Abubakar in the eyes of God is not entitle to got implement even one Ayat of AlQuran how he can be selected to enforce the whole Alquran & shariyat. 10- Why hazrat Ali refused to accept the khilafat after the death of hazrat umer. 11-Why the holy prophet took hazrat Ali hazrat Fatima hassan & hussain (A.S)for mubahila when others including his (SAWAW) own sons were present & were more superior to them according to your faith. 12-When the Alquran clearly said who are the rulers for muslims why you rejected God's orders. 13- hazrat Abubakar & hazrat Umer both left the holy prophet & ran from battle uhud but hazrat Ali (A.S.) Did not instead Hazrat Ali (A.S) prtected the prophet at every critical stage of life. 14-During jungay Khaibar Hazrat abubakar & hazrat Umar were given the leadership for conquerring khaibar but both ran.then the prophet said tomorrow I will give the flag to that person who loves God & God loves him too so next day he gave the flag to Hazrat Ali (A.S). This narration is in many sunnah books. This proves that God does not love those who were sent before.

Kurdish Islamic Organisations and Groups is not necessarily, there is already a category (Kurdish organization)

[edit] salafism

Does this lengthy piece really belong in this article? --Vindheim 07:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kurdish views on Ansar al-Islam - Hussein link

Do we have any sources for the statement that local Kurds beleive that there is a link between Ansar al-Islam and Hussein's government? (Not saying that they don't, would just like to see verification...) crazyeddie 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Several people in Halabja were quoted as holding this view in a recent Norwegian book ("Reiser i krigen skygge", Inger Østenstad and Hawdam Salih Jaf). I am reluctant to take such rumours as fact, but it is true that commom enemies some times makes for strrnge bedfellows. Saddam and Ansar both hated the PUK. And of course Ansar al-islam never fought the baathists. --Vindheim 02:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I had exactly the same concern about this claim; I'm actually surprised there's not more discussion about it, as it goes to the heart of the question of a Al-Qaeda/Baathist link. I'm not claiming it's false, though if it's true, there surely must be an English source if there's a Norwegian one. Also, "several people in Halabja were quoted as saying" is not identical to "local Kurds largely accept the link". --Saforrest 20:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree, this claim needs a source, as it is an important and controversial one. Should it be removed or edited to reflect the uncertainty?

MeDoc 19:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion: The "link section" needs own article

hi this is just a formating suggestion and doesn't concern content, i think the first paragraph is well written and should be presented as summary of a seperate article as the section is getting too long. feel free to come up a better title for that article, the title name i wrote is just a suggestion.Burnt-sienna 15:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged Links to Saddam

I think the section on alleged links should be organized; what we have is a random list of quotes from articles. This is good raw material, but an organized discussion of the alleged links and the evidence concerning Abu Wa'il, Mullah Krekar, etc. would be useful. I have added a few sentences about Powell's speech since it is cited in a manner that appears definitive even though it is well known that Powell changed his position dramatically on the issue. I also added the point that the consensus of experts and of the intelligence community is that A-I does not establish a Saddam al-Qaeda link. The way it was worded made it appear that such a link was still quite probable, whereas very few even believe that it was plausible. csloat 18:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Commodore.
IMO the "connections" between Saddam and AaI are so sketchy that they don't belong in an article called Ansar al-Islam. We do know that a few AaI personnel got in and out of their compound in Kurdistan via the Baghdad airport, but it doesn't follow that Saddam's chaotic regime was involved. Saddam was irreligious, jealous of power and publicity, and afraid of everybody. LDH 01:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origins

The Ansar al-Islam did, however, never engage Baathist forces...

How do we know this to be true? According to a captured former Iraqi official, his government "blamed Ansar al-Islam for two bombings in Baghdad." (2006 Senate Intelligence Report, p. 93) This unnamed official described to the FBI how he traveled to Saddam's presidential palace to refute accusations made by then Secretary of State Colin Powell. smb1971 19:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

very interesting. in the light of this I'll remove the sentence you quote. --Vindheim 21:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Split

I think that the article could be split, however, we could keep some of the suggested split material and just put a main article link. Thoughts? Eric Wester 16:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)