Talk:Ankur (film)

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An entry from Ankur (film) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 11 August 2006.

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Contents 1 Plot of Ankur 2 Dalip Tahil 3 Debuts 4 Details 5 Hindustani vs. Hindi

[edit] Plot of Ankur

The plot section of this article will initially be long. I might summarize it later; however, the details of the plot are important in this film, and many references will be made towards the plot in other sections of the article. For example, I plan to make a section on the motif of the seedling, another on irony, another on cultural implications, etc. --Kuaichik 22:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. I realize now that it would probably be impractical to go through such a strange process. Instead, I plan to summarize the plot, discuss details of the plot, use a "Spoilers End Here" template, and finally, discuss aspects of the film not concerning plot (e.g. hiring Shabana Azmi). Nevertheless, I'll keep the original text on my User Page --Kuaichik 00:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I have moved the original text to my subpage. Let me delete the text on this page. I will add new text later, when I come up with a good summary from my sandbox. --Kuaichik 01:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dalip Tahil

Does anybody know what role Dalip Tahil played in Ankur? I keep finding websites that claim that he was one of the actors, but no one says what role he played. I saw a picture of him somewhere, but I still can't figure it out. In the film, was he Surya's father? Sheikh Chand? Pratap? Or was he some minor character, like Swami or one of his two companions? --Kuaichik 04:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, obviously Dalip Tahil did not play the role of Surya's father. That was Kader Ali Beg's role, as specified in the article. --Kuaichik 01:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Debuts

It was the first feature film directed by Shyam Benegal and the debut of multiple Indian actors (in fact, Sadhu Meher was the only actor who had previously acted in a film).

Is this true ? From imdb, one gets the impression that Shabna Azmi had already acted in films. ('Actor' covers actresses too by modern usage) Tintin (talk) 05:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Her first movie was Parinay, but Ankur was the first to be released (http://www.asiasource.org/news/special_reports/azmi.cfm ) So I guess it is (sort of) okay. Tintin (talk) 06:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

nEraane Tintin! I really should modify that part of the article. Besides, I don't even know whether Sadhu Meher was the only actor who had been seen acting in other movies. I can't tell whether or not Kader Ali Beg had been seen onscreen before. Athu nyaan eluppam edit cheyyaam. --Kuaichik 11:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Details

Could any experts who have seen Ankur please help me with some of the details (however minor they may be)? For example: What does "Damdamdora" mean? (If it is simply a greeting, what kind of greeting is it? When and where is it used?) Just what card game are Surya and his "friends" playing (in the scene where they are shown gambling)? The examples listed here are cultural, but I'm sure there are other details that Wikipedia users could help me with. Thanks! --Kuaichik 15:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, just what festival is in progress at the beginning of the film? It appears to feature one (half?)-naked moustached man raising a rope, possibly beating himself, as he makes his way to the temple. --Kuaichik 23:55, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindustani vs. Hindi

Two people have so far changed the word "Hindustani" to "Hindi." The first changed it back (and I am grateful); the second has not yet done so. I want to settle this issue once and for all.

I personally would use "Hindustani" rather than "Hindi." I have various reasons for doing so:
1. The title is provided in both Devanagari and Naskh scripts in the credits.
2. As far as I know, linguists generally prefer the term "Hindustani."
3. Some of the vocabulary used in this movie is of Persian origin, though there are very common "Hindi" words that could replace them. For example, the word used for "husband" is marad (from Farsi mard which means "man") rather than pathee which is (or appears to be) more common/standardized.

Does anybody have comments about this? If so, please discuss them here. Please refrain from simply changing "Hindustani" to "Hindi" and participate in this discussion. Thank you and...shukriyaa! (By the way, that's a common word of Arabic origin, too!) --Kuaichik 02:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I think using hindi-urdu would be better than calling it a movie in hindustani...this is a page about the movie and not for language purists.

OK, we can call it "Hindi-Urdu," then. But since that word doesn't link to a particular page, can I at least change "Hindi-urdu" to "Hindi/Urdu"? What do you say? --Kuaichik 02:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)