Talk:Animals (album)

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"to George Orwell's anti-communist novel "Animal Farm": In the book various animals (mainly pigs, sheep, dogs, etc.) represent different roles assumed by individuals in a communist society." - i'm not sure it's correct. 'animal farm' represents modern totalitarian society which includes capitalistic society also.
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[edit] Songwriting credits

I edited the paragraph on the creation of the album, and removed and changed the claims about the songwriting credits. Everything I wrote can be found in Nick Mason's book "Inside Pink Floyd", but I'm fairly new to Wikipedia editing and don't know how to put in references. Hopefully someone else can do that. Alterationx10 (talk) 20:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Waters playing guitar

I've never seen any sources for Roger Waters playing rhythm guitar on "Pigs (Three Different Ones)" except live performances. Actually I've red somewhere (can't remember where) which states that Roger Waters didn't play any instrument on the song besides vocals and vocoder. Floyd(Norway) 06:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mary Whitehouse

I removed "was making considerable efforts to censor PF's music because of its political overtones"

It's not mentioned in the MW article, and sounds very unlikely as her whole focus was against sex on TV, certainly not music censorship. If anyone can find a reliable reference, put it back in, but I would be very surprised if this was the case.

Someone added this back in. It either needs to be cited or removed. The only references I can find are web pages where an American is explaining that Whitehouse is kind of like a British Tipper Gore, which would exlain why they make the jump to music censorship... as far as I know, she was concerned with TV only and would hardly be aware of PF, let alone any attempts to censor them. 88.107.60.41 16:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
The above user is correct. She became prominent in the UK by claiming Doctor Who was the most violent show on British televison (i'm paraphrasing) and was not suitable for children, and the fans of Pink Floyd were fans of the show...don't know her opinion on "Pigs", tho... Doc Strange 19:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What does this mean?

Can some one fix this or delete it: "The album had custom picture labels with drummer Nick Mason's writing for credits."

I havent a clue what it means to try and fix it.

Fixed. Andy Mabbett 21:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference in "Children Of Men"

in the movie "children of men", one of the characters comes into posession of battersea power station, and is seen to have had a giant inflatable pig installed in an effort to emulate this album's artwork, i thought maybe this might be worth a mention on this page, and maybe even a screen grab?

[edit] Two cover images?

We seem to have two images of the cover of this album:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PinkfloydAnimals.jpg - This one is used on the article for the album
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pink_Floyd-Animals-Frontal.jpg - This one is used on the article about Pink Floyd
I really prefer the one used in the Pink Floyd article, the other one is kinda yellow. If no one has anything against it, I will replace the image on this article for the one in the other article. Imadofus 00:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factually incorrect statement

Many wonder if "Pigs (three differnt ones)" (a song dedicated to the highest class) was a political message to the ultra conservitive Brittish Prime minister of 77 Margret Thatcher.

Margaret Thatcher didn't become Prime Minister until 1979 Margaret_Thatcher


Yes, she didn't but she was rising in stature in Britian. It wasn't like she was an absolute unknown in British politics in '77. It mentions it in the song's AMG review, which is as good a source as any Doc Strange 19:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I've seen this mentioned in a few guitar magazines (sorry, no sources), but it's usually in connection with the 'bus-stop ratbag', who is actually identified in the song as Mary Whitehouse. I think the confusion just reflects the fact that Mary Whitehouse is not widely known outside the UK, while Margaret Thatcher obviously is. 219.89.2.59 06:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Hunkin designed or built the pig?

According to this interview [1] the polymath Tim Hunkin was involved somehow making the pig? If true it deserves a mention. Richard W.M. Jones 21:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

He didn't make the big, inflatable pig, but paper pigs and sheep which were fired over concert audiences to parachute down. I've ever been able to track down pictures of these. Andy Mabbett 21:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I believe it was Thorgerson and the folks at Hipgnosis who created the pig. Would make sense. Doc Strange 19:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
On my old vinyl copy of animals, on the sleeve it says "Inflatable pig designed by ERG", though who that refers to I do not know (I'd always assumed it was some company). 79.64.45.1 14:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Songwriting credits

Someone please source the disputes about songwriting credits or remove them. Rick Wright has outright said he contributed little to this record (and said that on those few times when he did try to contribute something, Roger Waters shot it down), and I can find no reference to Dave Gilmour laying claim to "Pigs (Three Different Ones)," though the Saucerful of Secrets book does imply that he, at minimum, feels a great deal of pride for "Sheep." Nick Mason, in fact, outright calls "much of the material," explicitly both "Dogs" and "Sheep," "songs that Roger had previously written." Carolus 17:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Waters as a dog

"the final line suggests the singer admits he is/was once one of the dogs"

Sheep contains the line "...we fell on his neck with a scream...", suggesting him as a sheep. At best, the evidence is contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.58.253.55 (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Pigs on the Wing part 2 suggest heavily that the singer (Waters in this case) has put his life as a dog behind himself. This is especially confirmed in the lines "Now that I've found somewhere safe / To bury my bone". He also appears to be talking about the love he has for another and how they will care for him, "So I don't feel alone Or the weight of the stone" The stone is mentioned as a trait of the dogs in the dogs song. --75.68.36.81 04:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Orwell's Animal Farm?

While the album does use similar figures to that of Animal Farm, Animals is targeted at the flaws of capitalism while Animal Farm is targeted at the flaws of Communism. I don't see how Animals can be said to be based off of Animal Farm other than a basic idea of representing society through a farm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.36.81 (talk) 04:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

  • id say that animal farm is more of an attack against totalitarianism, than an attack against communism, thats at least how i always took it.74.192.12.135 (talk) 06:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I added that the album had similar themes, but not the exact same as "Animal Farm". I think a mention of it deserved to be in the article, but I agree that the album isn't one big tribute to Orwell.--Gen. Quon (talk) 01:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why not change the image?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pink_Floyd-Animals-Frontal.jpg this one has a better resolution. Maybe there are some restrictions I don't know about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.248.181.67 (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC)