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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) tigers are not larger than lions, and i`ll explain why. i check out a reliable source that states that bengal tigers in the wild grow larger than siberian tigers, due to the fact that siberians have a hard time finding prey in their harsh invirnment while bengals have lots of prey to eat. but what i want to talk about is an average weight, rather than something based on how well fed or underfed an animal is. tigers average about 416 lbs, the same as african lions. their have been reports of tigers pulling 400lb animals a distance of 1000 feet. the tiger would need to be as strong as 10 men to achieve such a feat. lions have been known to drag a 1000lb animal a distance of 416 feet, which also requires the strength of 10 men. to be that strong, lions and tigers would need 250 lbs of muscle. both big cats muscle mass is about 60% of their full weight, which would have to be about 416 lbs. if tigers weighed more on average, they would be as fast, or slower than lions. it is true that tigers are faster than lions. tigers are normally shorter and have longer spines, meaning the big cat is more stable on it`s feet and has longer running strides. it`s a fact that shorter limbs produce more power, which is also why tigers are faster and slightly more agile. tigers evoled this way for excellent hunting ablity, but that wouldn`t make a difference in a fight. a tiger can strike faster with it`s shorter limbs because short limbs have less distance to travel to reach their target, as longer limbs travels in a longer arch. tigers also climb slightly better, again due to the fact of it`s shorter limbs and longer spine, a characteristic common to all expert tree climbers, such as the squirrel. lions are expert fighters. living in groups lions are more likely to be exposed to fighting then would a tiger. also lions have to guard their territory against other males who might take over and kill their cubs. that`s why lions have manes. it serves to intimidate, which is also why it`s taller. lions also roar louder than tigers. tigers, living alone, wouldn`t want to attract too much attention with a louder voice, however, in lion society, a louder voice keeps intruders out. lions also have more force in their paw strikes. longer limbs have longer distances to travel so has enough time to gather a lot a speed and force. tigers have longer teeth and bigger claws, because this suits a solitary hunter. lions on the other hand hunts in pacts so don`t need as big a tool in hunting. group living is also a better survival strategy, which is why their are more lions then tigers. lions spend most of the time protroling their territory and guard against rivals, and they occasionally help out with hunting the larger animals. lions sleep a lot more than tigers because they are usually exposed to a lot more heat than a tiger, and if conserves their energy for the hunt. lions are also more aggressive than tigers, because they are more exposed to fighting, and fighting another big cat is far more life treatening than hunting. tigers in the wild would also want to avoid fighting, as an injury could prevent hunting. and indeed, they have evoled this way, with their less intimidating roar. lions have more experience at fighting. that plus the animals aggression, could make all the difference in a fight. in my opinion, lions would win 7/10 times.

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Contents 1 What the heck happened!? 2 Biased result 3 More Episode Pages 4 Reformatting the results? 5 Bob's Animal Fights 6 Bald Eagle vs California Condor 7 Other Episodes 8 References 9 Animal Face-Off Episodes 10 Results.... 11 YouTube links 12 Vandalism

[edit] What the heck happened!?

This show just vanished, apparently. I loved watching this back in `04, but it seemingly vanished since. Does ANYONE know if it still comes on? I`m missing this show desperatly!

Not that I know of. And believe me I would know, I love this show. Though it dosen't come on anymore you should be able to by a DVD of it at DiscoveryStore.com Toa of Gravity July 17, 2007 i

in the animal face off the lion was a lot bigger than the tiger which wouldn't make any sense —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.230.99.60 (talk) 01:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Biased result

This show does not reflect the real world. First, in Amazon forest, Anaconda cannot handle a jaguar, let alone beating it. Then, grizzly bear brings down Siberian tigers, which is also not true. In Siberia, where tigers and brown bears coexist, brown bears will often try to steal or rob the tiger's kill, but the success rate is low, and the large brown male will choose to take on much smaller female tigress to avoid becoming another tiger's diet item. In Siberia, some tigers feed regurlarly on bears, and one male tiger named Dale is documented for this behaviour in the Siberian tiger project. Now, lion vs nile crocodiles. Crocodiles are known to have digested leopards, but a lion is too much for them, especially a male. In Asia, tigers often kill crocodiles which dare attack them or steal their kills, lions and tigers are about the same size, so this is unlikely true, and in the stomach of nile crocodiles, there has never been a lion reported. And lastly, lions beat tigers. It takes a pride of lions(at least 3) to bring down a buffalo 680kg - 900 kg. It takes a single tiger to bring down a gaur or water buffalo 1000kg - 1200kg( a gaur can weigh even much more, and water buffalo horns can span more than 2.5 metres tip to tip). Tigers sometimes attack elephants, and they show no fear toward them. They have been documented to single-handedly kill a mother rhinoceros. Lions mostly avoid elephants, when an elephant comes across, a pride of lions often have to give way, or the elephant will chase them away anyway. This is no opinion, but observed fact, you can consult naturalists about lion-elephant relationship if in doubt. So clearly, in the wild, tigers have more of an edge, both in strength, skills and courage.

This show is just for entertainment purpose. they simulate the attacking force of the animals, but not their skills, courage nor intelligence and potential, and hence the result.

Yeah, I don't agree with the lion vs tiger one either. But I have heard that crocodiles do beat lions and anacondas do beat jaguars occasionally. Not sure 'bout tiger vs bear...211.72.108.18 02:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah they really went with the whole fairy tale Lion King of Beast BS when they made this conclusion. They didn't take in consideration that the Tiger has the largest canines out of all the Big Cats. This would have played a major role in the fight. During the middle of the fight when the Tiger had the Lion pinned down for the kill and the Tiger bit it's throat and it did absolutely nothing to the Lion is complete BS. SO they are saying that a Tiger having the largest canines in the cat family and a bite force of over 1000 pounds could not bite through a few inches of hair around a Lions neck. That's another thing what cat goes for a through bite during a fight???? I mean this was nothing for than fairy tale crap.

Not to mention that they didn't take the Bengals superior strength and agility into consideration. Complete BS!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want some real Tiger vs Lion action here you go

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=Tiger+vs+Lion&search_type=search_videos&search=Search

There are about 15 fights on this site between a Tiger and a Lion and the Tiger wins 12 of them, you tell me whose the true king of the Beast.

In the Wikipedia anaconda page, it is stated anacondas may eat jaguars. In the Nile crocodile page it is stated that no African land vertebrate is safe from Nile crocodiles (supposing the vertebrate went near water of course) except full-grown elephants and hippopotamuses. Even rhinoceroses are attacked.61.230.72.211 00:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

But who proves that it's true? To tell the truth, I never saw a nile crocdile of any size take on anything larger than a zebra. On the wiki tiger page, they say croc's bite strength is 2 tons, but after being bitten by a croc, an adult zebra or a wildebeest sometimes still getaway almost unhurt ( I just watched another TV show on national geographic: the real serengeti, in which this is the case). So, I suggest: believe what you see, do not believe something you are told but sounds unrealistic.

Yeah, I REALLY don't agree with lion vs tiger. Dora Nichov 11:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

YOU never saw a Nile crocodile eat a lion. Are you a guy who studies crocodiles? If not, YOU can't prove anything either. About tiger vs lion, I've heard that the mane is no protection from tigers when tigers and lions were forced to fight. The tigers simply crunched the backbone. Dora Nichov 10:28, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

You don't know what your talking about, how could a crocodile attack a fully grown elephant(which it can't). Crocodiles take on Wildebeasts and zebras all the time, I know I've seen. The Anaconda won fair and square,the tiger could've beat a lion, but as shown in the movie the lion wins thanks to it's mane. Idiot, read the articles!!

Are you talking to ME? If you are, let me say that I never said that crocodiles can kill elephants, and that I agree anacondas can beat jaguars. In real pit fights, tigers beat lions by biting the spine, not the throat. Dora Nichov 09:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with the results. Lions are the only cats which live together. There, they can practice fighting more and probably learn a thing or two from parents, aunts, or uncles. However, tigers are solitary, therefore the young learn more of the hard way. Radical3 04:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... But that would also mean lions are more accoustomed to fighting in a pack/pride instead of fighting alone. Though it is a close match, I'd still say tiger in a one-on-one match. But if you're talking about a lion pack vs one tiger, I have nothing to say. Dora Nichov 09:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

But I do disagree with some of the other scenarios. For example, polar bear and walrus, are you sure the walrus wins for one my friends told me the bear won the battle. Also, I disagree with tiger and brown bear, and alligator with bear. Radical3 17:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with tiger vs brown bear (unless the tiger ambushed) but not loser: American alligator vs winner: black bear. Dora Nichov 10:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, anacandas have been known to prey on jaguars if they can suprise them from the water's edge (though if the snake is drug far enough from the water it can turn out differently). Grizzly bears will chase (and occasionally kill) tigers over a meal. Normally, crocs and lions avoid each other but if the chance presents itself a large male croc will fight a lion over a kill (and occasionally kill them for food.) and vise versa. The reason the lion won in its fight with the tiger was because the lion was a more skilled fighter the the solitary tiger. Size and power aren't everything. Toa of Gravity July 17, 2007

Recent research says the lion's mane doesn't provide protection at all, the reason the tiger lost is that it couldn't bite the throat. But because we now know the mane is no protection, the tiger should have won. Dora Nichov 02:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Not if the long mane fur gets in the tiger's eyes. In the program, they say the mane deflected its aim, not its bite. Toa of Gravity July 17, 2007

The tiger could also attack the backbone, not the throat. Dora Nichov 03:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC) the lion was bigger than the tiger which didnt make any sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by bdggsdggdgg74.230.99.60 (talk) 01:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Episode Pages

Sorry I have to request pages.

• 1. I can't create a page
• 2. I haven't seen Animal Face-Off, though I do know the results.61.230.72.211 02:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
• Moose vs. Cougar (Winner: Moose)
• Starfish vs. Elephant Seal (Winner: Elephant Seal)
• Herring vs. South Polar Skua (Winner: Herring)

Those episodes aren't even real. If they were, everybody would know. Radical3 15:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

This whole topic is interesting but silly. It is so unproveable & in any case depends on so many variables. I ended up here when I was looking for the psi of various animals' bite forces. Also a grey area it seems. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.215.3.82 (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reformatting the results?

Does anyone else think that it would be cleaner if the results were on the same line as the episode rather than a separate list?

e.g. Saltwater Crocodile vs. Great White Shark (winner: Great White Shark)

Rayasmith 03:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree. Dora Nichov 09:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bob's Animal Fights

I know this is a bit off topic, but has anyone seen a website called Bob's Animal Fights? It's completely and utterly absurd. MUST be fake. Just look:

• "Bob" supposedly gets animals from these "zoo keeper friends". How would a ZOO agree to let people borrow animals for FIGHTING!?
• Polar bear vs swarm of wasps: Polar bear farts, wasps die. Stupid.
• Cat vs alligator: Cat kills alligator with gun. Who'd beleive THAT!?
• Giant panda vs some-kind-of-shark-I-don't-remember: Giant panda does this Dorsal Fin Lock and shark dies. Whatever that is.
• Electric eel vs army ant colony: "Bob" apparently puts the electric eel on land and the army ants swarm and kill it. Silly.
• Gorilla vs ostrich: Ostrich "gets some stamps in but the gorilla was just awesome!" (Quote). Why'd they fight in the first place? Gorilla and King Kong are not the same. Sure a gorilla would probably win this fight, but what a strange combination!
• Great white shark vs yak: "Bob" puts yak in water and great white chomps it. Huh.
• "Bob" even has a link to "How To Confuse Animal Rights Activists".
• "Bob" calls himself "professor". As if! *Snorts*
• There's "pictures" of the animals fighting, but even a baby could tell they're fake. Don't believe me. See for yourself then.

There's many more! But I can't remember. Like I said, go see for yourself! Dora Nichov 11:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen it , but it does sound very very stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.109.18.15 (talk) 13:23, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

He's clearly just doing it to be funny. You really think he would do that and be serious? --98.193.61.220 15:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Um I'd have to make fun of you for actually believing that Bob is telling the truth. if I knew you I'd just have to slap you. Um. Next time you open Pandora's box, don't let common sense leave . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.110.8 (talk) 04:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

You obviously haven't been reading my post. Do I sound like I believe him!? Dora Nichov 05:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bald Eagle vs California Condor

Was there really such an episode? Dora Nichov 00:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC) (Winner: Califonia Condor) (Loser: Bald Eagle)

[edit] Other Episodes

Last time I read the article, I found WAY more episodes. Were they fake? Radical3 04:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

YES! I keep reverting but they persist. Wait until I get my "paws" on them... Dora Nichov 09:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Bald Eagle and California Condor? I thought there was something fishy. Man, I do hate it when people vandalize. Radical3 17:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. And it seems there's LOTS of people doing it, not just one... They're done for... *looks at ball* *howls* Dora Nichov 10:01, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

O.K. then. Radical3 20:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Someone edited the article and wrote "Zinadine Zidane vs. Marco Matterazzi" (you know, he headbutted him) and it said "Winner: Red Card". THAT WAS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID!Radical3 21:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what that means but I deleted it anyway. Dora Nichov 06:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't get it? Never heard of Zinadine Zidane? Headbutt? Fifa 2006? Man, you really need to watch the news!Radical3 18:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Uhh... Still don't get it, don't watch TV much, especially news LOL. Dora Nichov 09:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References

Nobody has apparently cited a source for the episodes or winners before now. I found one and removed the {{unreferenced}} template. Any further additions that do not provide a citation can be considered vandalism. --Ginkgo100^talk 20:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Animal Face-Off Episodes

• Saltwater Crocodile vs. Great White Shark (Winner: Great White Shark)

• African Elephant vs. White Rhinoceros (Winner: African Elephant)

• Lion vs. Tiger (Winner: Lion)

• Hippopotamus vs. Bull Shark (Winner: Hippopotamus)

• Gray Wolf vs. Cougar (Winner: Cougar)

• Polar Bear vs. Walrus (Winner: Walrus)

• Tiger vs. Brown Bear (Winner: Brown Bear)

• Lion vs. Nile Crocodile (Winner: Nile Crocodile)

• Anaconda vs. Jaguar (Winner: Anaconda)

• Gorilla vs. Leopard (Winner: Gorilla)

• American Alligator vs. Black Bear (Winner: Black Bear)

• Giant Squid vs. Sperm Whale (Winner: Sperm Whale)

[edit] Results....

• Great White Shark beats Saltwater Crocodile.
• African Elephant beats White Rhinoceros.
• Lion beats Tiger.
• Hippopotamus beats Bull Shark.
• Cougar beats Gray Wolf.
• Walrus beats Polar Bear.
• Brown Bear beats Tiger.
• Nile Crocodile beats Lion.
• Anaconda beats Jaguar.
• Gorilla beats Leopard.
• Black Bear beats American Alligator.
• Sperm Whale beats Giant Squid.

[edit] YouTube links

I would like to remind editors that we do not link Wikipedia articles to YouTube videos unless the particular YouTube channel can credibly claim that it isn't infringing someone's copyright. The clips that had been inserted should not be readded. See Restrictions on linking for more information. --Sturm 20:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

This page is getting vandalized a lot; I see people altering the results frequently. 70.58.172.195 (talk) 06:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

--- I fixed all this stuff as best as I could; all the fabricated episodes are gone now (according to my SOURCE, that is--now there's a novel concept!). AdRock (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)