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[edit] Gameinfo2 template

When you recorded the consensus to delete, you remarked "I don't know what Furrykef was talking about; this template was not modified after being nominated for deletion." That's true, it wasn't, but the template it was calling upon was. Many of the votes were based on "Not a sister project", referring to the box that was in the template before (which made it look like a sister project). There was only one "delete" vote, arguably two votes, that was/were relevant to a single-line version as opposed to a box. I'm not necessarily saying the deletion was wrongful, but just explaining what I meant. - furrykef (Talk at me) 18:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay; thanks for explaining. Angr/talk 18:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scottish Gaelic profanity

I would appreciate your input on the AfD for this article. --MacRusgail 18:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Cot-caught merger.png

Hi,

I'm concerned about your diagram of the range of the caught-cot merger and northern California. I don't think the Labov et.al. evidence shows that any part of northern California has not participated in the merger except for a handful of speakers who are actually in the city of San Francisco itself. I haven't seen what they published in their printed phonological atlas, but from what I saw at [1], I don't think the single anomolous blue point in the City of San Francisco itself is sufficient to draw such a large transitional area in your map.

I can tell you from personal experience that I have never met anyone who was born and raised in the Bay Area who does not have the cot-caught merger. And my personal experience is not one of merely passively observing, but I actually ask people about it. All the time—somewhat to my friends' consternation. Anyway, I think the way your diagram makes a large swath of Northern California around the bay area as a transitional or incosistent area is a bit misleading, as comments on Talk:California English show. As far as I can tell, everyone in the Bay Area who grew up here has the merger. Of course, I'm not discounting the possibility that there are exceptions—as obviously Labov et.al. have found—but I just think it's a bit misleading to characterize an area of thousands of square miles as being a "transitional or inconistent" area when I think the only evidence for people who don't have the merger is in the City itself, which is only about 50 square miles, and culturally completely unlike anything around it for thousands of miles. Looking at [2], I think it is odd that there are no red dots in the Bay Area, because I could personally send them at least 10-15 examples of such people, but I think the fact of the matter is that they have only 3–4 data points for the bay area, which represents around 7 million people, and not one of them is anywhere south or east of San Francisco, where most of the people live. San Jose has been the most populous city in the Bay Area for more than 15 years, but they have not a single data point from San Jose or anywhere near it? Anway, there are tons of people in the area who grew up elsewhere and who do not have the merger, but I'm actually honestly curious to find an example of an unmerged native, but I have had no luck. They must have stumbled upon some real anomolies in their data gathering. Anyway, I don't know exactly what you would do to fix the diagram given that I'm just unpublished anecdotal me, and they're published and presumably well-researched, but I just wanted to mention that I think it's misleading that there's something anomolous in the distribution of the cot-caught merger for that large a swath of Northern Californa. Nohat 17:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I see your point, and the main reason it's such a large swath in the map I made is that I don't have very good graphics software, and it's hard to draw isoglosses by hand with a mouse in Microsoft Paint. As for the data, it's true that ANAE didn't interview subjects from anywhere in NoCal except SF, Sacramento, and Fresno (if that counts as NoCal), and the latter two are firmly within the merged territory. So I admit my map is misleading in suggesting that everywhere from Mendocino to San Luis Obispo and as far inland as Stockton are in the transitional area, when in fact ANAE is completely silent about everything in that area except SF itself. On the other hand, the caption does say, "Unenclosed areas are where speakers are transitional or inconsistent, or for which there are insufficient data", and the latter does apply to the region in question. I doubt that they hit six anomalies in their data-gathering, though, because they were so fussy about who could be a subject (they really looked hard for people who had not only born and bred in the town they were representing but whose parents and grandparents were born and bred there too, if possible). I do notice in the database, however, that the youngest S.F. informant was 39, two were 45 and the other three were between 66 and 72 at the time of the interview, so they might have gotten different results if they had happened to get younger informants. (Contrast this with Bakersfield where there were three subjects, aged 16, 20, and 21 -- that sort of puts the Bakerfield island of the pin-pen merger into perspective.) Anyway, about the map, I could try to re-draw it, or if you or another editor you know has good map-drawing software, someone else could re-draw it, or we could remove it and just link to the map at [3]. Angr/talk 18:16, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Each colored dot represents 6 people? Huh. If I have some time, I'll try to redraw your drawing but making the exceptional area in California more locally confined to the city of San Francisco. It's always a pleasure discussing linguistics on Wikipedia with you. Cheers! Nohat 04:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
No, each dot represents one person, and all six were in S.F. itself, even though the map makes it look like there were people in Marin County, too. Angr/talk 11:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anomalous monism

I created that article and there is only one person that has edited it along with me (User:Lacatosias). I will ask him, but he probably will agree with me that "monism" is not a word to be upper-cased and the incidences of "Anomalous Monism" (upper-cases) are only in titles of articles where every word is in upper-case. If this is not enough for you, try a google search. -- Kripkenstein τ κ

Thanks for your help! -- Kripkenstein τ κ

benaiah74 asks - why the deleting of my postsBenaiah74 21:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Northern Irish Formula One drivers

Category:Northern Irish Formula One drivers was deleted in accordance with the decision at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 September 9#Northern Irish. Please do not re-create it under that name. The problem is not with having a category for Formula One drivers from Northern Ireland, but rather with the adjective "Northern Irish", which consensus holds should not be used. Angr/talk 19:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. I have no intention of re-creating the category, but thanks for the personal notification on its demise.
On another, not unrelated note: I very much disagree with the lack of use of the adjective "Northern Irish". Its fair enough that consensus was reached. However, I was not part of the debate (which is my tough luck I suppose), and I notice that there were a grand total of three votes - two for and one against - for the renaming of all categories relating to Northern Irish people, places and things. I do not see what the problem is regarding the proper nomenclature and, being Northern Irish myself, I have never known of anyone to object to the adjective.
I do not have a clue as to your personal preference. However, as an admin, I'd like your advice on how to go about creating a new debate and vote to rename all the categories. In such a vote, I will put forward my (logical) reasons for such a change and, as an attempt to remain reasonably objective and fair, I will attempt to make a list of alternatives (obviously including keeping the status quo). I do not think this matter has been given the fair hearing it deserves. To be quite honest, I'm perplexed as to why anyone would object to the term "Northern Irish" in the first place. I feel I have to tell you that I am sincere about this, and not simply trying to start any kind of 'war', or upset Wikipedia. I consider the categories "Northern Ireland" as opposed to "Northern Irish" akin to labelling me a "Northern Irelander", both of which are incorrect usage of the description, and defy Wiki guidelines. I know the guidelines mention exceptions, but I cannot understand why or how this has come about. Anyway - I'll stop blathering now, and look forward to your advice on the matter. Thanks in advance. --Mal 00:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I chih shivan

hi im doing a project for school on airsoft, and in particular, the company I Chih Shivan (More commonly known as ICS) but it seems you deleted the page from the site.

2 things

1. i was wondering why

2. i was wondering if you could please send me a copy of the article (if your not going to put it back on the site)

thanks

Vince

[edit] Tassimo

Could you please delete the Tassimo page so that I can simply start over without all the controversy? Thank you. DLC3172 22:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alex White

Thank you for protecting the Alex White article, can you please also do the same for the Scott Crawford one. DarrenRay 01:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I've deleted the {{deletedpage}} tag from Alex White, as there are some valid incoming links to that page - as I understand it, that tag should really only be used for titles that are unlikely to ever be used for an article. I will keep it on my watchlist for the foreseeable future, though, to watch for recreation of the old content. — sjorford (talk) 17:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC

Please comment on my rfc Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jersey Devil--Jersey Devil 21:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings/German wiki

I am aware you've been kind of busy (and obviously still are:)); did you ever get around to go to one of those German-wiki meetings?

And what would you think about perhaps opening up a English-wiki branch meeting in Berlin? There are some more Berlin-based users around besides us.... Lectonar 17:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Article Backup?

Hi. I authored most of the Diablo III page, and I was just wondering, is there a way I could find a backup of the source in some kind of log of deleted articles? I promise not to ressurect the article, I just ended up putting more work than I expected into it (I have a passion for such things) and I hate losing information... so I'll keep it in a text doc on my hard drive or something, if possible. Is that okay? Tyciol 14:48, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for putting it in my user page :) I look forward to when the game is actually released, then it'll be cool. Tyciol 14:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer reivew

Can I interest you to browse through Wikipedia:Peer reviewers and Wikipedia:Scientific peer review? Maybe you have something interesting to add? --HappyCamper 19:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Omar_Mokhtar_arested_by_Italian_Fashists.jpg

Could you please move this picture to Commons? I'd like to use it in my article in Polish Wiki. Thanks in advance. --Man pl 21:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought that I was not permitted to do it self. Thanks a lot. --Man pl 22:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] this article is aboat Canadian English ant not about Australian

I was not disputing this, it is simply my expierence, that they pronounce, for example, <knife> as [næɪf], not [nəɪf].Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian):-(

Oh okay. Nevertheless, all the published sources I know of use the transcription [əɪ], so we should stick to that. Angr/talk 11:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think you should see this page, and listen to the sound clips and judge for yourself.Myrtone (the strict Australian wikipedian)(talk)

Using a transcription based on how it sounds to you or to me amounts to original research. We need to use the transcription found in published accounts of the phenomenon. Angr/talk 12:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted user images

Thanks for your reply on ANB. Is there any possibility you could restore the two images (I'll then tag them CC or GFDL), or will I have to re-create them from scratch? Thanks, --Janke | Talk 11:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you'll have to re-create them from scratch if you didn't save copies on your own hard drive or a CD or something. Deleted text can be restored, but deleted images are gone forever. Angr/talk 11:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
OK, no big problem. Thanks for letting me now. Over and out. Signing off from the watchlist of your user page... ;-) --Janke | Talk 13:09, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] User image speedy deletion request on commons

Hi Angr, I saw your speedy deletion request. I am sympathetic to your wishes but the image is being used in articles in a non-vandalistic way. Um... you could list it on commons:COM:DEL but here's another idea... you could just upload a different image over the top of it? (As long as your commons account is at least 4 days old). what do you think? cheers, pfctdayelise (translate?) 05:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC) (same name on commons)

Um... I was kinda thinking you would upload an image that served a similar function to the old one, or at least matched the title ("Sunglasses"!). But whatever. :) pfctdayelise (translate?) 03:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] manichaus deletion

You did not have enough information to warrant a deletion of manichaus. You did not request deletion or investigate its regional importance to south texas art. I feel you should fix this misjudgment. Thank you. —This unsigned comment was added by 129.113.24.55 (talk • contribs) .

The article was proposed for deletion and the tag had been in place for five days. In that time, no one objected to its deletion, and no one expanded on the article to demonstrate Manichaus's importance to the regional art of south Texas. Angr/talk 19:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC

[edit] Hugh Deasy AFD

REGISTER COMPLAINT

please direct me to the proper authority to register a complaint against you for wikepedia libel. On an administraor's noticeboard you accused me of meat/ socket puppetry. I have looked that up and it appears to mean impersonating another person with fake IP or onlline name in order to promote a product or to falsely influence a vote. A google search under Will314159 would have shown I have have posted thousands of US posts and I have a NC USA I.P. Moreover, All my posts in the Hugh Deasy delete forum came from a NC IP. Hugh Deasy is a European.

Below are the comments made by you and Deizio " Would somebody consider closing this AfD? It's become a farce and having just been personally attacked I'd rather the temptation to respond was removed. The creator of the article isn't going to stop until the debate ends. Cheers, Deizio 11:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC) I for one am not prepared to close it a day early, despite the meat- and/or sockpuppetry going on. If you want to avoid the temptation to rise to the bait, just take it off your watchlist. Angr/talk 11:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC) " Take Care. —This unsigned comment was added by Will314159 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC).

I did actually look up this user's IP (he posted as an anon IP on occasion) and it resolved to the USA as he states. The IP of the article creator also appeared - but not as Will314159, and taking the opposing view - and resolves to the ESA in Germany. I can therefore confirm that to the best of my knowledge Will314159 is indeed an American user and not the author of the article. Further comments and recommendations on the Admins noticeboard. --kingboyk 11:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Bridal Gala AfD

Hey, thanks for closing; though you missed that The Bridal Gala was nominated for a second AfD while the first was still open; which now also should be closed. Thanks! Andy Saunders 13:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the tip, I've never seen an article have two simultaneously running AFDs before. Angr (talk • contribs) 14:02, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bananas, lawyers, and mangoes

In trying to pronounce ahuacatl, the Spanish who found the fruit and its Nahuatl name in Mexico came up with aguacate, but other Spanish speakers substituted the form avocado for the Nahuatl word because ahuacatl sounded like the early Spanish word avocado (now abogado), meaning “lawyer.” American Heritage Dictionary --Dforest 15:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OrphanBot's message

Hi, I see that OrphanBot's message includes the sentence "If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate copyright tag, it may be deleted some time in the next seven days." That suggests the image will be deleted in no more than seven days' time, which isn't the case. The image will be deleted in no less than seven days' time. Maybe it should read "... it may be deleted after seven days." Angr (talk • contribs) 15:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

OrphanBot doesn't always notify the user as soon as the image is tagged as "no source" or "no copyright". Consequently, there could be as little as five days between when the user is notified and when the image is deleted, or even less if the bot is offline for some reason. --Carnildo 18:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please, help

Hi, Angr! I rather hoped this day would never come, but it looks like I am stuck and all my usual research channels are failing me, so you are my last resort :) As I probably already mentioned a couple million times in the past, I'm learning Irish. My main "textbook" is the Irish People web-based course, but I am slowly (very slowly!) working with the Ó Siahdail's Learning Irish, and am now on Lesson Five. This is where I got stuck. I do not know why, but Lesson Five is where Ó Siahdail introduces future tense for the first time. You know, beidh/ní bheidh/an mbeidh..., beifear/ní bheifear..., etc. The concept is, of course, quite simple, but I am having helluva time trying to determine how these constructs are pronounced. Ó Siadhail does provide pronunciation, but having seen how significantly Cois Fhairrge's dialect can deviate from Standard Irish, I am rather skeptical. You mentioned in the past that you'd be willing to help me out should I have a question that relates to Irish, but not really to Wikipedia. I am wondering if the offer still stands. Pronunciation of the constructs above, as well as of bhíothadh/ní rabhad (past tense), is what I need. Thank you!--Ag Foghlaim 18:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

As usual, there's no one single pronunciation used in all dialects, so your best bet is to just learn one acceptable pronunciation and use that. Ó Siadhail's pronunciations aren't used in all parts of Ireland, but they'll certainly be understood everywhere. If I were teaching Irish outside of Ireland, the pronunciations I would recommend are:
  • beidh [bʲej] (bheidh [vʲej], mbeidh [mʲej])
  • beifear [bʲefʲər] (bheifear [vʲefʲər], mbeifear [mʲefʲər])
  • bhíothadh [vʲiːhəv]
  • rabhadh [rauv]
Angr (talk • contribs) 22:00, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, Angr. As always, this was extremely helpful.--Ag Foghlaim 16:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Testicles

I don't understand how it is that you fail to see anything wrong with the image "Image:MyTesticles.GIF". You stated in your edit summary "no criteria for speedy given," but I had already pointed out in the edit that you reverted that a Fake image source was given, and the image has a totally inappropriate name. You see, I find it hard to believe that these are the uploader's skinned testicles. And I somewhat doubt that he severed and skinned his testicles, removed the epididemis and vas deferens, then used a digital camera to take a photo of them, then uploaded the photo to Wikipedia to release the photo into the public domain.
Why on Earth haven't you erased the picture? Why on Earth did you instead just erase the {{d}} tag? --Mr. Billion 00:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Please read WP:CSD#Images/Media. Those are the only criteria for speedy deleting images. Unsourced image is a speedy criterion, but "I don't believe the source given is genuine" isn't one, nor is "inappropriate name". You may, however, list the image for deletion at WP:IFD, where the criteria of being an orphan and being unencyclopedic apply. Angr (talk • contribs) 00:37, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but the image clearly needs to be deleted, as it's obviously fake and obviously has fake upload information. Yet you didn't replace the speedy tag with anything. That's poor adminship. --Mr. Billion 01:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I unblocked 159.191.12.24 after an email request from an inconvenienced user. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 00:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Berlin wiki meeting

After giving it a little thought, I came up with this:

Hello, I have been mulling over this for some time (actually at least a year), and would like to propose a meeting of the Berlin-residing Users of the english wiki. Wolud you be interested at all, or do you think this a bad idea ? Thoughts are welcome. Cheers. Lectonar 20:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I know will probably not be able to join us, but all the same: after having collected some users willing to come, I created this subpage. Would you be so kind and add your ideas? Lectonar 12:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New page

Thanks for adding the soft redirect! Joe 21:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

Dear Angr,

I invite you to take a look at Christianity Knowledge Base and join our fledgling project!

I think you could really contribute a unique perspective and add a lot to our community.

Thanks in advance for your consideration!!! 70.30.57.80 06:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the form invitation, but I choose not to participate in any Wiki that has advertising. Angr (talk • contribs) 18:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linguolabial trill

Angr, I am not sure how I feel about you prodding it. Especially now that I see the little userbox that says you have a doctorate in linguistics. Anyway, I feel the article should stay. This thing is in the IPA and has a symbol. Even though it's not used in any language per se, as I am sure you know, Doctor, blowing raspberries, along with intonation etc., is a... what do they call it... extra-linguistic communication device? In any event, it carries a message, and falls within the uh... broader definition of language, if you will. Besides, there are yet to be manufactured elements at the back of Mendeleev's table, that are theoretical, but not unnotable. Anyway, I am removing PROD. I'd love to hear what you have to say on the subject though. - the.crazy.russian (T) (C) (E) 00:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm taking it to AFD. It seems to be pure original research to me. Angr (talk • contribs) 05:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My talk page

Oh come on! Surely you can understand the space those warnings take up. --curling rock Earl Andrew - talk 06:31, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Well no. As you can see, I archive once a year. The world will spin off its axis if I changed that!--curling rock Earl Andrew - talk 06:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kelly Purdue

Hey could you delete this article? I spelled the guys name wrong, as it turnes out he already had a lengthy article un der Kelly Perdew —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg (talk • contribs) 08:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll make it a redirect since you're probably not the first or last person to think Kelly's last name is spelled like the university. Angr (talk • contribs) 09:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense! Thanks. (J.reed 09:09, 30 March 2006 (UTC))


[edit] PIE project

Hi Angr. I know this was floated before and didn't rouse your enthusiasm, but have a look atTalk:List of Indo-European roots#Project proposal and tell us if you see any merit in what's being suggested there. I think you would enjoy it! --Doric Loon 05:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)