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[edit] Gabriel Fahrenheit

I would like this page to be unprotected and returned to the state where me and IntimateCarbon have aggred to a compromise. Kommiec 02:10, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I would like you to revert to the following edit:
05:14, 8 Oct 2003 . . InanimateCarbonRod (ok)
Kommiec 02:29, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Thanks for telling me. :-) Evil saltine 02:50, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I was not sure where I was supposed to post information regarding this type of issue. I later realized that I made a mistake and Evil saltine had in fact done nothing wrong. user:Ap merged the other articles(created by vandals). Sorry for the trouble. Alexandros 12:45, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Mother Teresa

Thanks for the message, Angela. The reason I contacted you is that I have considerable respect for your ability and neutrality and think an outsider's observation on the article, particularly one of your calibre, would be invaluable. I understand and respect your decision totally, but I would urge you to think again. lol FearÉIREANN 04:34, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)


[edit] Voting Rights

Is it time to bring back the conversation about allowing only folks with M number of edits and N days of existence to vote in VfD? It was discussed just recenty but has fallen off the radar screen. Fuzheado 03:10, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Perhaps we should use this time also to introduce 5 days instead of 7, as the vote went? Fuzheado 07:37, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

We have crossed the Rubicon... I've put the bold policy in place and let's see the arrows fly. Fuzheado 08:57, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Angela the angel

Dear Angela; Thank you for the mergering the Gia pages. For someone who has been accused of vandalism you sure are an angel!

I also wanted to say you live in England, I wanna go there badly, its a dream of mine to visit England someday. I have never been there but I know about aviation a lot so, what can I say, I love London Heathrow and Manchester airports, the only thing is Heathrow doesnt have my favorite airline, Delta, Delta uses Gatwick. England to me seems like one of the mpst beautiful places in the world. I see why Madonna lives there and not here!!

Well, thats it for now. Thanks and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Looking for an angel Martin

[edit] Back!

There was never any danger that I was gone for good. The danger is that my Ph.D. supervisor may find out that I spent a month and a half editing Wikipedia for 8 hours a day instead of doing research. Oy. I think I've managed to break that habit, anyway. -- Cyan 22:51, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] A request for help/advice

Angela, I'm sorry to drop this here but I really don't know what to do in situations like this. I respect you and the work you do highly, which is why I'm leaving a note here. I'm in a little tussle (perhaps it's over now) with Alexandros over Mother Teresa. I think you and I both have successfully avoided the scrap that's built there between Eloquence and Jtdirl (and many others), so I'm hoping you can provide me with a neutral perspective. Do you mind looking at Mother Teresa's page history and the note I left at User talk:Alexandros? I'm still a little nervous as a sysop, and don't want to abuse my power, but I think what Alexander did today was really a harsh violation of Wikiquette, and I hate positions like this, where I want to know if I acted properly and if I should note Alexandros' actions, for example, on Wikipedia:Problem users, or if that would be too harsh. If you've no time, I certainly understand. If you do, though, I would appreciate your perspective on things very much. Thanks for all you do here! Best wishes, Jwrosenzweig 23:29, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your words--I think you're absolutely right that no real damage was intended, and I'm certainly planning on avoiding this page if all goes well. I appreciate your willingness to provide the second opinion: happy editing, Jwrosenzweig 00:01, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Friendliness Theory

Angela, within 6 minutes of the creation of a new article called Friendliness Theory you voted for its deletion. Don't you think that's a bit unfriendly? It is a specialized but valid and important topic. And it's importance will certainly bear forth in the future as more-or-less friendly AI's are created. Love, 207.112.29.2 03:01, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, I am moving the discussion to Talk:Friendliness Theory. 207.112.29.2 03:38, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Gdansk Edit

Hello, Since you seem to be an admin please check Gdansk and see my reasoning of removing the boldface from Danzig. I do not see why this city needs two boldface names(even though in English it is Gdansk). I do not see another city having the same problem on wikipedia. I cant change it since I am a known "Vandal" supposedly. 24.2.152.139 03:03, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I got confused as to who was tyring to do what on Gdansk, so I just went back to Wik's last edit, because I thought it was probably the best. I wish it hadn't been unprotected. RickK 03:49, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Criticisms of Mother Teresa

Hi Angela, and thanks for taking care of the VfD entry of the Criticisms page, I was wondering how this should be handled, it's a new horizon for me and the deletion policy page didn't make it obvious IMO. But it is obvious once you show how...! Your continued hard work appreciated. Andrewa 09:26, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Bold (but not too Bold)

Hi Angela, Thanks for smoothing out that earlier matter on you-know-where. I've decided to be more circumspect about listing people there (only genuine Vandals and Visigoths ;-)).

Normally, I try not to read other peoples' mail (!), but my eye caught the exchange above with Jwrosenzweig. I had a similar experience yesterday; made some dramatic deletions to Socialism twice (which I restored twice). He is very new and very young (16) and has absolutely no sense of his own limitations (he described the Socialism article on his Talk page as "shockingly ignorant". (Yikes!) I am trying to rein him in a bit and get him onto the True Path (!) but I am not sure how successful I am being. In any case, I reviewed what Jwrosenzweig wrote to Alexandros and posted a similar message to I know we exort people to Be bold in updating pages but I want add a qualifier: But-not-to-long-articles-on-complex,-controversial-subjects-with-many-contributors-and-long-histories. Whew, what a mouthful!

Be careful of that Antonio -- he has a Sweet & Seductive way with words!!! ;-) -- Viajero 11:07, 29 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi again Angela,
I added some text to Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages. I hope it doesn't seem too negative. I've noticed that certain long-timers remove text from such meta-pages that they consider "gives the wrong impression." (!?!?) Anyway, have a look, and, um, be bold... -- Viajero 11:01, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Polish problems

Hi Angela, I posted this on Village Punp earlier but have had no direct response. Could you consider it?

Following Angela's advice, I created a new page History of Poland (1939-1945), and redirected the old page General Government to it. An anonymous user called 145.254.117.188 keeps un-redirecting the article, plus making edits to both articles which reflect a Polish nationalist POV and are in bad English. 145 has now taken to accusing me of being anti-Polish at my Home page and Talk page as well. I therefore request that General Government be deleted, and a new, empty, General Government be created and redirected to History of Poland (1939-1945), so that 145 can't restore the old text.

I gather this person has been causing trouble for anyone who writes on anything to do with Polish history.

Adam 06:01, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] George Bush

From Ark30inf's response to me re the attempt at a rewrite at Talk:George_W._Bush, he seemed to be clearly upset with the article even as it existed before the nickname information was settled in. This was the exact message he wrote me:

Wiwaxia, Here's what I think. I think this article is a monument to how bad Wikipedia can get and I urge you to continue adding crap to it until it bursts at the seams. Hopefully various news magazines will use this article as an example of what a Wikipedia article is and we can all be proud of the coverage. The page already makes it clear that Bush never did a good or non-controversial thing in his life. I am not touching this, not reverting this, not NPOV'ing this, I'm just LMAO at it. Maybe somewhere there is a liberal who can write for the enemy and likes tilting at windmills. Until then, keep shoveling it in.

From what I read, he sounded actually glad that something that would destroy an article was put in because the article was so terrible it needed to go! He seems to think that George W. Bush portrays George W. Bush as a man who "never did a good", or at least "non-controversial", "thing in his life". When I look at the article, I do see mentions a lot of things about him that most people would place in the "bad" category, but some of them would obviously at least need to be mentioned in a complete article on George W. Bush. But I don't see what makes it "a monument to how bad Wikipedia can get". Ark30inf, what makes it sound like Dubya never did a good or non-controversial thing as (or before) president? I don't exactly see that. If you can think of any glaring omissions in the George W. Bush article, bring them up. Wiwaxia 08:02, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

No, I don't think he was glad. I think he was being sarcastic. The issue is that you are focusing purely on adding negative information, including trivial information about nicknames which most people wanted deleted. Have you even thought about trying to make the article NPOV or are you only interesting in promoting your own viewpoint? Perhaps there are some ommissions you could find to add to the article as you are more interested in it than me. Try writing for enemy as Arkinf suggested and think about whether the nicknames stuff actually adds anything to the article or whether it deteriorates it into something below the standard you would expect to find in an encyclopedia. Angela 17:16, Oct 30, 2003 (UTC)
yes, wiwaxia, in answer to your question on my talk page....I see this comment. I'm no longer contributing to the project nor arguing about article content.User:Ark30inf
:) you can't stay away though. Not tempted to come back yet? Angela

[edit] Recreation of previously deleted pages

Hi Angela,

I was not aware I was inadvertantly violating any rules by my actions you alluded to at my talk page. I regret my error and sincerely apologize. SD6-Agent 22:23, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

Thanks, you beat me by a few seconds listing PENO on Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 01:53, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] 142 and the GFDL

The attribution can be made in the edit summary or on the talk page. But really, he's editing out as an anonymous IP, and I'm not sure what that means for attribution. I'll update my post to the pump to note these issues. -- Cyan 02:03, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Also, I'm not a sysop on simple; in fact, I'm not familiar with it at all, so I wouldn't know where to start. If you give me some pointers, I'd be glad to help out. -- Cyan 02:12, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

How can I tell which contributions are his on simple? -- Cyan 21:23, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I don't know if hard-bans apply across Wikipedias. I guess that's an issue for Jimbo to clarify. Until he does so, I'm going to go with a "narrow" interpretation that this hard-ban applies only on en. I was just going to go through his policy pages and post some boilerplate like, "This page is not official policy, see [1]." I'll do it sometime in the next week. -- Cyan 21:33, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion

Hi Angela! Can i have your opinion on what is going on in todays section of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/foreign language? Muriel Gottrop 22:06, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

  • Thanks, this 67 guy/girl is a bit rude! Muriel

[edit] Where to discuss edit

Angela, I am surprised by your edit of an intro I wrote and would like to discuss it with you. Should I bring it up here, or on the "discuss this page" page? Moriori 20:20, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Anniversaries

Please take a look at Wikipedia talk:Selected Articles on the Main Page. The "week in history" label was a compromise Mav came up with, since he doesn't believe in listing events until the actual anniversary has passed. Keeping the "Anniversaries" label, yet not listing actual anniversaries is just misleading. --Jiang 05:37, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)


[edit] Media Coverage in Bahasa

Hi. I just want to say that today (Sunday/02/11/03 Indonesian time) I've written and publish an article about Wikipedia on Indonesia's online news site (detik.com).

So, to those Wikipedians who is able to speak Indonesian, you might want to take a look. I hope I didnt make any mistakes in it.

(I'm posting this on Angela Talk Page because Angela had welcome me to Wikipedia... that, and i didnt know where else to post this on... :P ) SihirHujan

[edit] Richard Neustadt

As soon as you unprotected Richard Neustadt, Wik immediately reverted it again. RickK 08:34, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I thought about protecting it, but then I'd have to choose a version to revert to, and it would have to have been Lir's, and there's already bad blood between me and Wik, so somebody else should do it. RickK 08:46, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page notification

I don't think I even know what a proxy is.  :) I'm on IE 6.0 from Earthlink. RickK 08:54, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] 1Angela

it didn't waste my time. i thought it was a lowlife causing trouble. :) Kingturtle 10:30, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Just to minimize confusion, next time you want to test your talkpage functionality, just axe me to send you a "trick or treat" message >;-D~~ Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 10:55, Nov 2, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Road Safety

Dear Angela,
You are my real angel !!

I think that the change of the article title from "Road Safety" to "Road safety" is a mistake, because "Road Safety" is a proper name of a field or management system, that include much more mere "roads" as you will see when I develop further the article, for example, it include legal systems for prevention (point systems in UK). Y the case of "Road safety" the interpretation of it is that "safety" is simply to qualify the word "Roads" , like a number of other’s qualifiers like "roads geometry", Roads design" etc. In short, "Road Safety" include much more that roads ! please consider and revert, if appropriated. Milton 17:14, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Cimeran

I do know that Cimeran was deleted and that it is considered vandalism, but the new Cimeran page includes encyclopedic information that is justified. The old article was just junk. The new page includes useful information. SmartBee

The website, langmaker.com, DOES mention Cimeran several times as a model language. SmartBee

[edit] Double votes

I know that it is me, but it is a seperate user. I have been attempting to merge the two pages for a while now, but since I can't I might as well just vote as two people since the computer apparently thinks I am. SmartBee


[edit] Thanks

Thanks Angela for the encouragement and the advice. I have joined the world of wiki just a day earlier and trying to make some humble contribution. Looking forward for more advice and guidance.

Thanks again. Best Friend

[edit] A question...

Hi Angela,

thanks for the welcome and the links you just added to my talk page. And also, thanks for prettifying my Longest English sentence entry.

I do have a question. I'd already found the links, but have not yet assimilated them. Am I right in assuming that it is OK by community norms to add an entry not properly marked-up. Obviously it would be better if it is marked-up, but I am just learning how to do so. My first contribution was an extension of Alfred Tarski and I had no clue as to formatting. As if by magic, it now looks nice! I pressumed that it was OK to extend the wiki before I'd fully mastered the how. Please let me know if I am wrong.

Thanks

vanden 23:37, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] ATV copyvio

Angela, thanks much re: ATV. I've restored it for now, just to decipher what happened, as I wasn't aware it was listed on any copyright vio page, and I didn't see an ital notice at the top of it either. Give me a day to reconstruct. It doesn't seem like a wholesale copyright vio (the English in the article seems too terrible to be that) but if it's largely a copy of another site then I'll take the correct action. Thanks. Fuzheado

[edit] PiFast peer review

Thanks for moving my PiFast comment. I didn't know where to put it - I don't know all the pages in Wikipedia namespace by heart yet. -- Pakaran 23:55, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Assuming too much good faith

216.68.43.85 blanked VfD three times. Browser problems cause pages to be truncated, not completely deleted. If it happens again, I'll re-block the address. RickK 03:45, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I was just coming to say the same thing :) They did it three times, so I assumed it was on purpose. Adam Bishop 03:48, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Your Wisdom

O goddess of deletion, I seek your wisdom. :) I'm doing some research into the completeness of Wikipedia and am working with the complete list of 200,000+ article names. However, in the course of browsing through the articles, there are a disturbing number of what I would consider junk names -- AaA, AardvarK, AbboT. Are these names that should be deleted and just lost in the swamps of Wikipedia? Or are there good reasons to keep these silly permutations of lowercase/cap letters? Fuzheado 06:18, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I may be a slob in the real world, but in the virtual, database world, I'm anal. So seeing these oddball entries in there drives me a bit nuts. If you think it's not good to get "into it" then I'll leave it alone and cover my eyes. :) Fuzheado 06:35, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies

So, I (in a calm mood) reviewed the page history of Sesotho and I guess I shouldn't have accused you of deleting my contributions. I'm sorry.
Tiles' behaviour was rather unfair, however.

ZyXoas 11:00, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Angela, Polish mine detector - the part about it's construction, not the rest, the rest was rewritten by me = is not only from that one site. It's quoted in several pages in the web. I provided two webpages in which there are two identical versions, and stressed in summary where it came from. Both are quoting one paragraph from book. This is my fault that i missed the title of the book, but wonder whether putting line: From: "The History of Landmines" by Mike Croll published in Great Britain in 1998 by Leo Cooper, Pen & Sword Books Ltd. ISBN 0 85052 268 0, page 54:

Will be enough and enough with accordance to fair use rules, or not? Or just remove the paragraph altogether and leave only reference to the page? Szopen

[edit] Bugs

Okay, thanks Angel. I had look at the pb reported on le bistro, but did not see anything special. Thanks for the note. Ant

[edit] Odd reverts

Hola Angelita,

User:Niceguy deleted the listings for User:Szopen and User:Nico from Wikipedia:Problem users. Indeed, they may not warrant being listed there (perhaps just some kind of internicine tit-for-tat) but it seems odd to me that an "unknown" user should take this responsiblity into his hands (I reverted) and then "cover" the edit by subsequently making a strange alteration to something else which he called a minor "fmt" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Problem_users&action=history By the look of it, NiceGuy appears to be an account used solely to edit above-mentioned page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=Niceguy If you look at [2] you will see who NiceGuy probably is.

Perhaps you would care to review ProblemUsers to see whether Szopen and Nico still need to be there.

-- Viajero 15:41, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi again, I left a message on their user pages (User talk:Szopen User talk:Nico) suggesting they each remove the complaint against the other. Hope that solves things... -- Viajero 17:12, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] /Delete pages

Hi, re /delete pages, I've long thought automatic protection was sensible. Martin no doubt would object as he has an 'issue' with the very existence of the pages (every so often I end up having to move a /delete page he had moved to become a plain talk page back to delete. Usually a mini-revertion war occurs a couple of times and then he stops) while GrahamN would no doubt go ballistic and talk of cabals, undemocratic yada yada yada. But it is logical and sensible.

Re the notice: the problem is that if people shoot down to the bottom of the page quickly they may not see the notice at the top. I'd suggest the page be 'top'n'tailed', ie a notice at both ends. I've put a few bottom notices in so that people cannot miss them. Feel free to use my notice if you think it suitable. Maybe finish the page with a double line at the end, again to draw attention to the fact that the page is no longer 'live'. But I do think the most sensible solution is simply to protect the page. That way it ceases to be live and no-one can claim any confusion. :-) FearÉIREANN 22:07, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Greek names of states in Wiktionary

Hi: Thanks for the notice in Wiktionary Beer parlour about Greek names of states. I agree that this is more suited to a Dictionary environment than an encyclopedic one. As it stands someone has already established articles here for most (maybe all?) countries, and others are happily putting in translations in random languages. It's just a matter of time before someone indexes the Greek names.

Our friend User:67.60.17.122 a.k.a. User:Pumpie appears to be obsessive about creating list while doing little or nothing to create content. We're also familiar with his efforts on Wiktionary where he is trying to list every imaginable given name. He's a young kid who doesn't seem to understand how much work he's generating for others. ☮ Eclecticology 01:30, 2003 Nov 5 (UTC)

My apologies for any lack of clarity. In this particular instance the matter is already adequately covered in Wiktionary, so nothing needs be done there. ☮ Eclecticology 05:31, 2003 Nov 6 (UTC)

[edit] Simple password

By the way Angel, it is very likely I know the password for sysop on simple. Do you want me to check ? Do you think there might be a need ? I do not feel like arguing over there, already too much arguing on fr to my taste, but tell me. ant

[edit] Undeletion of CH

sorry ? Doing what ?

You are cheating with the rules.

Unless I am wrong, at least 3 people want to see, at least temporarily undeleted. All three are old users. I am a sysop. I listed it on votes for deletions.

I am following the policy to the exact point. You are cheating, and not respecting the policy. So explain to me *exactly* where I am wrong and why you are right, and how is it you are quietly not respecting policies.

I think an answer and justification here would not be out of line. Or I will just know that the careful votes for undeletion I helped to set several months ago is just meaningless. Anthère

You also forgot the initial person requesting the undeletion. That makes 4. I understand you do not want the page to be undeleted, but Angel, you are a sysop, not to force (I would like a gentle word, but it escapes me) your feelings on others, but to be at their service, trusted to respect the rules. I do not care either for that page, but if others want it to stay 5 days at vfd, their opinion should be listened to. What is the big deal for that page ? It is not insulting anyone, it is not defacing wikipedia, it is not hurting anyone, so where is the problem really to let it live for a couple of days ? Why bother ? And if I undelete it, why should I just feel my opinion and my actions are irrelevant ?

You are all here making so many rules, that no one but those spending hours here appear to remember the core of them. Those just stopping by, and rooming around, they can't know all these rules; not even the sysops know all the rules, I am sure. I am more and more often tiptoeing around, wondering if I am not breaching yet another rule, doing something the wrong way. I hardly dare approach votes for deletion any more, it appears to be changing all the time. I am not even sure I still have the right, perhaps this afternoon a new rule appeared saying someone should do at least 5 major edits per week to be able to vote :-) The whole day, I have been thinking of reverting an edit I strongly disagree with, and I did not dare.

I wonder how welcoming it is to a newbie. I wonder how many sysops dare doing the housecleaning. Seriously. I am serious here. really Angel :-( (but of course I forgive you)

[edit] Polish Stuff

Angela, re Protest of Zofia Kossak-Szczucka. The Poles are working on a translation, with me helping to improve the English. (I am getting on quite well with them now despite issues of Polish nationalism etc.) I seem to recall that WP disapproves of articles being simply transcripts of historical documents. Would it be better to turn this article into an appendix of Zofia Kossak-Szczucka? Adam 02:52, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Daniel Chodowiecki

You protected the article Daniel Chodowiecki for vandelism. This article has a grammatical error in its first sentence, which I mention in Wikipedia:Protected page, and propose 2 corrections for on the Talk:Daniel Chodowiecki page. You might want to take a look when you get the chance. Thanks! -- Pakaran 00:26, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I took care of it. -- Cyan 00:31, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Out-of-process deletion

Is it an out of process deletion? Yes. Does it really matter? No. Are people going to make a big fuss? Yes. Do I want to make a big fuss? ... not really. After bonking heads with Wik, I'm all fussed out. See also my comments at User talk:Louis Cockadoodle-do or whatever it is, too many syllables and I'm grumpy. -- Cyan 00:26, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Not the real 142

Angela, I recently blocked a user whose IP was 142.177.xxx.xxx. This user, I have come to understand, is not our hardbanned friend EofT. I can't seem to stay logged in, so would you please unblock him for me? Also, the Tyranokatta guy is back ([3]. -- Cyan 04:05, 6 Nov 2003

Many thanks. -- Cyan 04:14, 6 Nov 2003

[edit] User pages in funny places

  1. Thanks Angela, I was sure that there was something else I had to do, just couldn't think of what. - user:Zanimum
  2. Thanks for fixing my link. Still trying to learn. Bmills 14:06, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Just realised I was using \ instead of/. Bmills 14:09, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Actually fixing my own typos in the Irish Poetry article was probably a bigger job than those links. That's why I was trying to create a space to work in privately. Now that you've done it for me, I'm a lot happier. Bmills 14:15, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving discussions

Hi Angela, how do you archive discussions? Over at Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context I noticed that it became >32kb, so I MOVED it to Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context/Archive 1 (and recopied some text back to the fresh page). But then the archive page starts showing up in the Watchlist and someone just replied to a message in the archive instead of the empty page :-( (I copied it back). Problem is, if you don't use Move, you don't move the Page History as well. How do you archive discussions O Wise One??? -- Viajero 20:02, 6 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Bonkers

Sorry about the overwrite there in the edit conflict on Bonkers (cartoon), just thought mine was slightly nicer. :-) Evercat 00:06, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Angela - thank you for the welcome and for the encouragement. It is nice to receive a welcome message from a real person - much better than an automated mailing. Having great fun already.

Gandalf61 22:11, Nov 7, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] SQL query

Okay, you can try your SQL query now. -- Tim Starling 02:04, Nov 8, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Land-grant

Goes nowhere, well that I can easily find...

There is (was?) a list of land-grant colleges in the history of land-grant 209.86.18.166
That's why I get so mad at deletionists/axe-murders :)
Just like I can tell you that there are probably links to Cookie-cutter shark, and that it is actually a worthwhile article, just by how it was deleted. However, I have just come to the conclusion that axe-murderers may be even more devious than I had given them credit for. Unoppossed they would make for lousy editors. However in an environment that has many people who hate that mentality, it causes them to research and write articles - just to spite the axe-murderers.
I may have to retract that statement, google finds no listing - however, I bet that Cookie-cutter_shark is listed somewhere, I don't want to make a page to be able to find out what links to it in order to find out where it's linked from however....
This leads into other debates, things like the history excuse (saying, "it's all in history don't worry about it"). That's a shabby fig-leaf when even people like you get tripped up by it.
~ender 2003-11-07 20:46:MST
The most content Cookie-cutter shark ever contained was "Steve Rules over the cookie cutter shark!". Angela 04:16, Nov 8, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion quotes

I submit this quote for your consideration. -- Cyan 02:42, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Abuse of sysop powers

Much ado about nuthin'. -- Cyan 02:42, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

P.S. I do lurk on the mailing list. -- Cyan 02:43, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] 2002 Gujarat violence

Hi Angela,

my apologies in advance for intruding into this natural habitat of yours. I noticed you've temporarily protected the page about the 2002 Gujarat Violence. Since you've done so, I assume you have a basic familiarity with the subject, therefore I'll take the liberty to elaborate.

I feel you have rewarded edit aggression by doing so, as I attempted to commence a discussion with User:Wik whereas he responded by ignoring my subsequent queries and resorting to aggressive editing. You can verify this in the page history of the Talk Page talk:2002 Gujarat Violence

I am aware User:Wik has contributed to other (unrelated) sections on his native Poland, and have no judgement to make on those contributions of his. However I do believe his knowledge about India is rather limited and he appears ill-informed to say the least. Some folks have labelled him a Marxist political propagandist, as he initially named the topic a "pogrom" which is an inflammatory title that reflects either his bias or ignorance. However I'm not particularly interested speculating about his political inclinations or the intention of his edits. My concern is solely with the content, quality and style of a given entry.

The current version you've protected clearly lacks depth, while leaving much to be desired of the style of presentation as well as the quality of the English. As you can verify by comparing both versions, User:Wik and his friends' wishy-washy effort is written in an amateurish and puerile "some say this, some say that" mould - hardly appropriate for an encyclopaedic entry. Moreover, he presents even verified facts as "points of view"(even when the events in question happen to be generally accepted by most observers and verified by organisations such as the BBC, to which I have provided a link on the talk page).

I would therefore request you to check out both versions and consider releasing the page as not doing so would be tantamount to rewarding Mr. Wik and his friends' aggressive editing.

Thanks and regards,

-conradx

Angela, thanks for your prompt reply. The current version as it stands perfectly suits Wik, as it is his version. He therefore has no incentive to have a discussion on it. Moreover, he was the one who broke off the discussion and resorted to aggressive editing, a fact you can verify from the talk page.

I'm open to the "mediation" idea, however I don't believe it can take place with Mr. Wik's version of the page in place.

Also, I can assure you there was no personal attack intended against anyone, as I stated I am only interested in the content and style of the entry, not the intentions of the person editing them.

-conradx


Hi Angela, I was out of town for a couple of days, so I'm just seeing your message, but I'm happy to help and I will do my best to mediate. I've got some catching up to do, so it may be not be until the evening (~8 hrs.) before I can get to this. Also, LibertarianAnarchist replied on my talk page in case you hadn't seen that.... Thanks, BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:34, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

NOTE: See bottom of this page for mediation proposal

[edit] VfD

Thank you for your input , it was helpful as i am a new user. BVC2000

[edit] Domesday accounting

There's quite a bit of material on the places available, so it can end up being a list of counties and towns pointing to their descriptions at the time and now rather than simply source data. I ended up doing school work about such things in high school, so it'll be useful for one target audience if it does get developed. (shrug) If not, there's seldom urgency about deleting things. We could do with a better system for saying that a page needs to be reviewed later, though, so we don't simply forget about them if they aren't dealt with immediately. JamesDay 07:13, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

A list of counties and towns pointing to descriptions of them 900 years ago is a list we don't currently have. I'm assuming that the newbie may have an interest in writing those articles. If those articles get created, it isn't going to be duplicated content. If they don't, it'll be a duplicated list and time for uncontroversial deletion, one I'll vote for. No idea yet how interested this newbie will be, but we have discouraged further participation, because a listing on VfD is a poor welcome. On the tools side, thinking about what we need to do things more efficiently is why I suggested taking a break from deleting for a while. What would help you to work more efficiently? Where do you need two clicks and waits when one could be provided? One for me is when tracking vandalism, where I look at user contributions and have to go to history and find the edit, then get a diff to see what was done, instead of clicking directly on a link to show me what was done and whether it's still there. JamesDay 08:11, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Argh

Argh. Yes, I was trying to salvage the more complete text and forgot about the copyright/history issue. I'll fix it. -- Someone else 09:32, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It occurred to me we should have a "Book of Abraham" before we have a "Book of Abraham controversies" anyway, so it's not a total loss<G>. -- Someone else 09:40, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think we're OK on the GFDL, since I wrote every word on that page that comes before "External link". <G> BTW, I tried the ext link and I get nothing, it may be broken but I won't delete it as it may be one of those temporary things that I can never understand... Someone else 09:53, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The good thing is, we don't have to worry about how things got the way they are if everyone's happy with the way they are<G>. -- Someone else 10:21, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Pow-wow split

Thanks for your help on the Pow-wow split. This was the first time I'd taken an old article and split it into two new ones, and I felt better knowing someone was looking over my shoulder. Gentgeen 11:03, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] The Brioni Family

Thanks for reverting my user page and the Transportation in Syria article from that 210.50 guy with the Frank Brioni fixation! I presume blocking by IP number expires fairly shortly, as I blocked the IP he was using about 10 days ago but he isn't still on "blocked users". By the way, the localisation file on cy.wikipedia is nearly done, now I got my enthusiasm back, so the look of the place might change fairly shortly! -- Arwel 11:22, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] List of Kings

A list of Norman kings isn't quite the same thing as genealogy. Lists of kings, senators, presidents and such do belong here. JamesDay 12:46, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Indeed, this one does seem to have quite a bit to learn. We'll see what time reveals on the subject. I won't be surprised either way. JamesDay 13:05, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Fushigi Yuugi moves

Yep, that's what I intended to happen; thanks! -- Khym Chanur 03:13, Nov 9, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For the page headings. Daniel Quinlan 07:22, Nov 9, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Taylor

Unfortunately there are two famous football managers called Peter Taylor (and you have disambiguated both to Peter Taylor (coach). I will disambiguate further. Mintguy 18:18, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)


[edit] Neustadt the town didn't die

Heh-heh, yes it was a surprise to click on it and get a long list of cities! My first Main Page edit... Stan 01:51, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving talk pages

Hola Angelita, I created a new help page: Wikipedia:How to archive a Talk page Perhaps you could look and see if anything catches your eye. Thanks. -- Viajero 16:44, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Updated Wikipedia talk:How to archive a Talk page; hope I understood your explanation. -- Viajero 18:19, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Land-grant university

Hi Angela. It seems that you have undeleted Land-grant university, and your comments in summary fields suggest that you do not understand why it is deleted.

The reason was written on talk:Land-grant university. Now, that page was deleted together when the article was deleted. The talk page remains deleted while the article is now undeleted. I would suggest you to read that deleted talk page.

I do not understand well the deletion policy in English Wikipedia - so maybe it should really be kept, or maybe not. Tomos 23:05, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] You're a sysop on meta, right? Could you take a look, I think Michael is vandalizing it?

The header pretty much says it all. If I misremember, maybe you know somene who is a sysop on meta? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 23:18, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Kwena

Well, I did mean to blackout Kwena - I replaced it with Bakoena, and since it is only (currently) Qwaqwa that links to it, it doesn't cause too much damage. Bakoena is more linguisticaly correct than Kwena/Koena - the latter is an animal name, whilst the former is a proper noun meaning "those of the Kwena". ZyXoas 06:39, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Good news

He ! the good news is that I will have more time for simple perhaps :-) ant

[edit] User:Niceguy

Hi, my conclusion when I looked at the History of Problem users was the same: that Niceguy is probably Nico. If that happens to be the case, Nico was alterted in a non-confrontational way that his actions were observed. In any case, my attempt to get the two to drop their mutual recriminations on that page has been a failure. -- Viajero 18:13, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Why's it not on Google?

Hey, I was just wondering why the Google search engine doesn't show the results for newer articles. TopCamel 18:48, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Google takes a while to get new pages into their searches. RickK 16:32, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright violations of 19th century photos

The page that the Hale image came from claims that the image is copyrighted. Do we really want to get into a legal battle over it? RickK 22:51, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I've contacted Ms. Greenberg, I will report on her response. RickK 23:17, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Adam the problem user

I'm well aware that I can't remove myself from Problem Users, and I fully expected my self-deletion to be reverted at once. I did it to show up the arbitrariness of EdPoor's decision to remove all criticism of Aplank. I was listed as a problem user for entirely frivolous and vexatious reasons, and that was why I counter-listed Aplank . If he is entitled to have all criticism deleted, then so should I be. (I actually think Problem Users ought to be abolished, since it serves no purpose other than to encourage this kind of childish argument.) Adam 01:34, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Following Angela's advice (excellent advice as always), I have removed Problem Users from my watchlist and will refrain from further such arguments, which demean everyone involved. I apologise for being, in a general sense, a problem user: I have a fairly short fuse in such matters, and I should stick to writing articles. I think also that I will have to withdraw from Mother Teresa (historiographically speaking), since that article seems beyond salvation by means of reasonble debate. Adam 04:29, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Normalizing that image

Nevermind. Daniel Quinlan 14:32, Nov 12, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

You wrote me a nice little welcome message and I didn't even say thanks, so here is my thanks. ^-^

Bye JessPKC

[edit] Trillium picture

Hi Angela. The lovely picture labelled Trillium.jpg is not actually a Trillium. I deleted it from the Trillium page, but how do we delete it from the system and replace it with a valid picture? I don't have any copyright-free pics on hand right now, but could probably find one. -- WormRunner 17:54, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio?

I have discovered that my article, Alternative Metal, was placed in the copyvio page. I request that a reason be stated. BTW thanks for answering my previous query Angela. -- TopCamel 20:45, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Illuminati Order

Illuminati Order, which you moved from vfd to vfd/copyvio, is being edited. Should it be reverted back to the copyvio notice? Maximus Rex 21:18, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)


[edit] Copyvio

I used the Internet, books, and my own prior knowledge to write Alternative Metal, but if one decides to compose, for example, a summary based on a web page, is this considered a copyvio? Again thanks for the reply, it is appreciated that you are helping a new Wikipedian. -- TopCamel 21:36, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

If you're going to remove personal attacks on Mathieugp from the Talk:Quebecois page, how about taking out Mathieugp's attacks on me and other contributors? As I recall, I've been called a moron and brainwashed. And while I have offered to work with Mathieugp on the article, even I can see that the personal attacks began with him. Trontonian 23:03, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response, Angela. I'm glad to know you weren't providing preferential treatment to the French guy. I prefer to leave Mathieugp's comments in -- you might have to be a Canadian to understand why. Trontonian 23:21, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I won't revert your deletions of Mathieugp, Angela. I appreciate your efforts. You can take out some of my comments, too, if you'd like. I thought Mathieugp's comments were an interesting example of a way of thinking peculiar to Canada, but on the whole I guess that doesn't justify breaching Wikipedia's rule, which certainly is well justified. I haven't looked at NightCrawler's comments, by the way, so I'm not saying that deletion was justified or unjustified. Trontonian 00:16, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hello. I am new to Wikipedia, but I had read the rules before signing in. I am not certain what personal attacks (by me) you removed. Could you please let me know what you removed, and why you did so on my page? I think I can admit I am the root of the problem in all this. :-) I meant no personal attacks. I just was so angry that the same few people kept putting back all kinds of unfounded and irrelevant comments bashing half the population of Quebec in a page supposed to describe who Quebecers are. In my last comments, I have suggested that Quebecois should point to Quebecers in a disambiguation page. The majority of English-speakers on this planet don't know anything about Quebecers in general and the word Quebecois is non-existent in Amerian, British or Australian English. I have open the door to Canadians expressing their views on the subject of Quebec politics in a page dedicated to this. In any case, I am sorry for all this. I am well aware that this probably looks ridiculous from the outside. --Mathieugp

What you removed deserved to be removed. I have no complains. --Mathieugp

Various ramblings from DW removed. They can be seen here if you are interested.

[edit] Khranus

Please unblock the username Khranus. I'm getting tired of generating random IPs. You apparently know nothing of the 'conflict' that's arisen over my editing wikipedia articles. It is frankly none of your business. Khranus

[edit] Intel 4004 anniversary on the 15th -- please put on front page

Yep, hi there -- subject line says it all I think; see Intel 4004. This may be said to be quite an important anniversary, insomuch as we are now all using microprocessors ad nauseam... Wernher

Hi again; regarding the to-do list you messaged me for the 4004 article -- how about its state now? I did a little fixing here and there, and will 'nominate' the article for Anniversary Main Page presence. Wernher 23:41, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks WormRunner 20:44, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Sandbox

Please do what you think best regarding the Sandbox, my concern was to get the history of the two pages intact, and I think I may have botched that. It appeared that the original author of the Raqs al sharqi had originally composed it in the Sandbox and then moved the Sandbox to the article namespace. - Hephaestos 23:19, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Good work

Keep up the good work, Angela. -- Tim Starling 23:43, Nov 13, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Mormonism

Please participate in the new meta-article Naming conventions (Mormonism). Thanks. --B 05:47, Nov 14, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Source texts

You may want to add your voice to: Wikipedia talk:Don't include copies of primary sources --mav 07:19, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] The question following the one currently asked

Howdy. Not that I want to second-guess you, but are you sure your vote "Delete. The manual of style notes that this format is not advocated. They should be deleted in order to discourage the use of this format" (on Time Dollars in VfD) ended up attached to the vote-item you intended? Or perhaps you're doing that Two Ronnies sketch where they answer the question following the one currently asked   :)    -- Finlay McWalter 13:54, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative metal

Thanks once more for the kind help Angela. I am aware that you stated that this is not a copyvio, although the previous copyvio of the SAME article that I wrote made me wonder... The article in question now has an external link to credit the reference source. TopCamel 19:24, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Head case

Thanks for the undelete. I feel much better -- kind of "validate" somehow :-)

BTW, I blocked user:HeadCase. --Uncle Ed 21:23, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

P.S. Cunctator said I shouldn't have blocked him, so I unblocked him and his IP. --Uncle Ed 21:37, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC) [4]

[edit] Illuminati

Hey, I saw your message. I was about to message you myself to suggest just protecting Illuminati Order as a redirect until the dust settles (say until midnight GMT or something); then maybe User:Illuminati would find somewhere else to contribute, and wouldn't feel like I and a bunch of others were ganging up on him. -- Pakaran 21:59, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Never mind, he seems fairly quiet now. And BTW I no longer feel that he is a return of Khranus - for example, Illuminati does not use profanity, and does not display Khranus' tendency towards opinions which are speculative, to be polite. -- Pakaran 22:02, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It's always disheartening to stumble upon messages about oneself in a negative light. I'm glad you do not think I'm this Khranus person anymore, and I will do my best to subdue my passions as not to be a khr-anus. :) But wow, if only someone would've queried me on where I get my information and schooled me on how to present it here, I might not have had such a turbulent initiation here. This was more wondering than my entry into Freemasonry! Illuminati 23:19, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Scary Angela

Heh. It seems there are those who fear you more than they fear Jimbo Wales. It seems those include Ed Poor and Stevertigo. I hope it does not rise into your head. Have fun. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 22:12, Nov 14, 2003 (UTC)

You're way scarier than Jimbo. I know that if I do something stupid, you're probably going to be the one who taps me on the shoulder. ;-) With fear and trembling, Cyan 22:36, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Suspicious page

Indirectly In connection with a recent controversy concerning a certain user, and also an allegation that he/she might in fact be the banned user "DW", I did some investigation of hits on my own site.

Please investigate. PeterManchester

[edit] Autographs

Hey Angie: Thanks for moving the page there. As you can see, my question basically ended in a tie. Some favored the page, others didnt. For that reason I guess I will hold the idea for now.

By the way, love the British accent. Lindsay Lohan, The Spice Girls, Duran Duran and many others are way among my favorite actors-pop music acts. My friend's mom is from Birmingham, and I just love talking to her too.

Hey it just ocurred to me, how about rtrading photos on our emails? I have a couple of pics I like sending out to people.

Well Angie thats all for now. Thanks for everything and God bless you!!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Raven Martin

[edit] A picture from Alexandros

image:aster.jpg --Alexandros 03:34, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Votes for deletion...

please ignore my previous post. my dyslexia really fooled me. Kingturtle 04:34, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Protected pages

Oh, I forgot about the "protected pages" page, sorry! :) Adam Bishop 16:11, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Poor cricket

Vandals can't get eaten by Anthère's cricket anymore? :) -- Mattworld 18:18, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The poor cricket couldn't eat any more. It's very ill after having had to deal with Khranus and NightCrawler amid other problematic users. Angela 18:24, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)
boooooo :-(( indigestion.
I'm not surprised it's sick. You've been feeding it the wrong things entirely. Although it's surprisingly hard to grep google for what crickets really do eat (dammit) I imagine they eat leaves, or perhaps small bugs. I'm fairly confident that you shouldn't be feeding it either dog-poop or sad lonely little men whose fathers never loved them. -- Finlay McWalter 23:35, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)
About cricket food: I haven't had luck finding it via Google either. But, at least in petstores, where reptile aficionados can buy crickets to feed to their beasts, I recall seeing crickets being fed chunks of potato. -- Chris Roy 04:30, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I see you have replaced the cricket with my aster. I didn't realize that flowers only give one wikilove. I thought I would get wikicash, although neither of those is as important as real money. Alexandros 22:25, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Freemasonry

re Freemasonry: I reverted before I realized it was a revert war, so now I can't protect. Crap. Sorry. -- Cyan 01:47, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Ditto for Freemasonry, but I haven't edited Knights templar, would you like me to protect it? -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 02:16, Nov 16, 2003 (UTC)

I think that went well, don't you? :-) -- Cyan 03:05, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Ice cream

You're right - I got an edit conflict and pasted the comment in the wrong place. Fixing now. -- Pakaran 04:52, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

The comment was supposed to be about Dolphin brain - I put it in both. Fixed now, thanks. -- Pakaran 04:54, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Actually, my concern was that the ice cream article now links to things like vanilla sex - do you think this is worth a message to calmypal, separate from the beef most of us have with the lists he tends to add? -- Pakaran 04:58, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Ok, my concern was just generic "it makes the project look bad, and I don't know what people who are more religious than I am might think about it." I'll stay out of the whole thing until I get some sleep - I think writing articles is more productive than criticizing people on the other namespaces, and I need to remember that. -- Pakaran 05:20, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Ok, fair enough. I'll stay out of it. I guess it would be more of a concern if an actual article like vanilla or ice cream linked to vanilla sex. As an Agnostic, I am always very aware I need to err on the side of caution about what might offend people. -- Pakaran 05:32, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)