Talk:Angel Dust (album)

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Angel Dust (album) was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: December 18, 2007

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[edit] <^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>

[edit] Rolling Stone Review

Why I am I reverting a removal of the review link for at least the third time? It's a valid review, and nobody ever says why. — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 01:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Again today. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] - are these all just sockpuppets or something??? — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib 21:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up

I think this page needs to be cleaned up a lot. a lot of good information but its all over the place. it needs to look a lot cleaner, and maybe this can become one of those wiki scopes thing... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HDS (talk • contribs).

[edit] RV

Hey, I found something interesting but I'm too lazy to put it in the article:

  • The song RV is very similar to the Super Mario theme for underwater levels.
  • Mike Patton's first band, Mr. Bungle, made a instrumental medley of Super Mario themes (including the underwater one).

Shouldn't that be included?

Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me! • O)))) 16:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

it seems like an interesting point for a trivia section, are there any sources for it? or is it original research? Balthazar (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Smaller and Smaller

The trivia section is mistaken. I saw FNM play with GnR & Metallica at the CNE Grandstand in Toronto. Smaller and Smaller was played.

As the linked page states "The numbers that indicate how often they've played each song are obviously not correct. They are just based on all the set-lists I have collected so far. They've played a lot more shows and I'm sure they've done more cover songs, but this page gives you an overview of what songs they've done so far. It's just for fun."

Why are links to fan pages considered encyclopedic? wbm 08:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Well there's no other documented sources to go off, id suggest either changing it to "according to the bla bla stats bla" or just removing it. Balthazar (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Synthesizer sounds?

Listening the Angel-Dust album: Does anybody know the names of the used synthies and perhaps - if not selfmade - the names of the used sound-patches? 217.255.102.222 09:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe it mentions those kinda things on the individual pages of the songs, and if not I'm sure iv seen something about it on fnm.com. Balthazar (talk) 02:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination failed

I've sorry, but I've had to fail this article's good article nomination. Below are some notes on how to improve the article. I also suggest you look at some GA album articles, or ask on my talk page if you need more help and assistance. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 07:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

  • The lead should note the exact (date/month/year) release date.
  • The link to 1992 in music is generally not needed
  • "To this day it is still held in very high regard as one of the most influential records of the '90s, with Kerrang! magazine naming it number one in the fifty most influential albums of all time." - This statement needs a citation
  • "It is a complex and at times hard to approach album." - This isn't very neutral and should be reworded/sourced/removed
  • "it was here when he began to influence the band's sound." - Citation needed
  • "The unusual moments arguably make the album unique amongst the band's output." - We shouldn't be arguing or attempting to promote content - the article should only contain stuff verifiable by reliable sources. If a source argues this, then you can state it (and cite it) in a neutral manner
  • "(a truly odd song; piano-driven and in waltz-time)" - Again, not neutral. It also appears to be original research if it's not verifiably by a reliable source
  • "Fans still consider this album to be Faith No More at their finest." - This will need multiple verifications
  • "which hit it big in the UK, Australia, and Europe" - "hit it big" isn't really encyclopediac prose, perhaps reword to "was highly successful"
  • "But everywhere else it matched or outsold The Real Thing, especially in the UK, South America and Europe" - Same comment as above. Also, a citation is needed.
  • "In the UK, with little promotion the album went straight to #2 in the Chart Albums and Faith No More had two UK top 10 hits with "Midlife Crisis" peaking at #10 and their biggest hit, "Easy", at #3, making Angel Dust a chart success." - Citations needed for the charts data.
  • Most of the sources come from Faith No More's website - this can be biased and thus probably not a reliable source
  • "Official songwriting credits revealed by Billy Gould in an email, 2004." - You can't cite "an email" - it needs to have been published online or in a book, so that it can be verified
  • The article needs several new sections, including stuff on recording and background, on release details, any information about touring and concerts for the album, and one on critical reception. These are visible in most GA album articles, for instance look at Internationalist (album) (which I've been working on recently to try and get to featured status) or Vulture Street (which is a GA candidate)
  • Only releases after 29 January 1993 feature the Commodores' cover, "Easy", which in some parts of the world was Faith No More's most successful single...Only Japanese releases feature the rerecording of "As the Worm Turns" from the bands first album We Care a Lot." - Both statements need citations
  • As per our footnotes guidelines, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark, such that there is no space in between. For example, answers on the CD lasting 18:41[1]. is usually written as answers on the CD lasting 18:41.[1]"
  • The "Track Notes" section could be considered a trivia section, and could thus be tagged with {{trivia}} - these should be avoided.
  • The stuff in the "chart" section needs citations so that the data can be confirmed - the best way to find these citations is to ask yourself where you got the information from in the first place!

Thanks for your work on the article so far - it's appreciated. The article isn't quite ready for GA status yet, but I'm sure with a bit more work it would be at that level soon. Writing GAs is hard - it took my four attempts to have my first album GA (Dream Days at the Hotel Existence) passed, and now it's a featured article! If you need any help with these notes, or with any other aspects of the article, please don't hesitate to ask me, and I'll do my best to assist. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 07:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Research

some usefull stuff that needs wittling down to a degree

RIAA certifications link

Angel Dust, August 20, 1992, GOLD

Sessions videos 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Interviews link

usefull interviews jim4, jim5,

jim6 - jim says at the start of this one that

“ "Roddy wanted to name it Angel Dust, i dont know why, i just want you to know that if its named angel dust, it didnt have anythin to do with me" ”

Kindergarten = F Sharpfaq ref, jim likes it cus it was easy for him to write a guitar track for it, he says "it kinda sounds like van halen"

initial release was set for may, 3 months in the studio, 1 more than previous

jim7 action adventure, first prospect single

they were expecting to be on tour by may

puffy2

the recording prosess - Drums first then bass, then keyboards, then gruitar and vocals

b&r5 action adventure = crack hitler, was gonna be a single with vid for it

Balthazar (talk) 02:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Angel Dust singles/promos

220.245.200.230 (talk) 03:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)ty---The singles section propably needs an update, for instance Faith No More's official releases off Angel Dust album are widely known as this: Midlife Crisis (single) A Small Victory (single) Easy (single) Everything's Ruined (single) Be Aggressive (double A-Sided single with 'Easy Land Of Sunshine (a pre-Angel Dust promo single in the U.S) hopefully these are helpful.