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This week's songs

Not too keen on Futureproof's song, but there are quite a few I've never even heard of - what's "Hanky Panky"?! Emily and Alisha finally have appropriate songs though. Never thought 'Reach' by S-Club 7 was a big band number! I like the fact that I haven't heard of a few of them, it's more original.[1] Wiki edit Jonny 12:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Turns out "Hanky Panky" is by Madonna, in her 1990 album I'm Breathless Wiki edit Jonny 13:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Hardly any of them are big band this year so it's hardly a theme... Emily won't do her song justice. I know the Madonna song, could be good. Rhydian should do well again. Niki isn't sexy enough to pull off her song. Really looking forward to Same Difference this week! I'm starting to really like them! Not as much as Futureproof but I'm a bit disappointed by their song, but they should do it well. Leon's is predictable. Andy's I hadn't heard of. Beverley's is a good song but not sure she can pull it off. Alisha's is a good choice, and I think she will be able to perform it well. Is that everyone? :) anemone|projectors 14:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Haha, well they've got Boyz II Men as coaches for a Big Band theme when they're actually an RnB group. Beautifully incoherent. Wiki edit Jonny 14:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Let's vote for Same Difference just to piss off Louis! Wiki edit Jonny 14:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't vote, but if I did, I would vote for them. I still favour Futureproof though. Have you seen the userbox I have on my userpage? :) Yeah I thought Boyz II Men coaching them for Big Band week was very weird. Oh well. anemone|projectors 15:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Which box am I looking for? The 'This user reserves the right to completely screw up his edits' or, the Futureproof one?? Wiki edit Jonny 17:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Tsk! The Futureproof one! It was originally created for Big Brother but it works for anything. Have you thought about putting something on your userpage? anemone|projectors 18:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to. I am computer literate but completely useless with remembering HTML codes/whatnot or anything in general that isn't written in continuous prose. Would love to though. Wiki edit Jonny 20:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
You don't need to know HTML, you just need to know how to type, and obviously a bit of wiki knowledge might be handy, and I'm sure you have that... anemone|projectors 21:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll look it up and get started on it when I get a free moment. Thanks for the nudge :-) Wiki edit Jonny 23:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Have a look at WP:USER for some guidelines. Just a bit of un-wikified text would be fine. Some people might like to know a bit about you :) anemone|projectors 23:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Emily Nakanda

I doubt it'll be a double elimination night on Saturday seeing as they've already lost Emily. Who'd have thought it eh? Scandalous! I wouldn't be surprised if Sharon asks for one of the girls from her visit to judge's home round to be allowed into the live shows to replace NakandaWiki edit Jonny 15:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah that's why I removed the double elimination stuff. Shame, cos even though I didn't like her much, I was looking forward to her song. Oh well. Who should come back then? I can hardly remember them now!! I don't think it's fair to replace Emily now but a huge shame that Sharon only has one act left, who's been in the bottom two every week so far!!! anemone|projectors 15:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Dickens Hill

Hey, I wrote some of this tonight. It's not complete yet. I want to add sections for some other prisoners and then do some brief descriptions about the firm characters and police/prison officers. Do you think that would be ok? and also can you reinstate the deleted images please ? :) Gungadin♦ 22:11, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes that sounds ok to me. Images are restored. anemone|projectors 22:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wank Week

Hiya, I noticed you closed this AFD as "nomination withdrawn" which is definitely accurate - I'm not an expert on closing AFDs, but I get the feeling some sort of record ought to be left of this decision at the talk page Talk:Wank Week? I think it involves applying {{Oldafdfull}} but I may be wrong! Ta, TheGrappler 02:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah I forgot about that bit, thanks. I'm not an expert either but as I was watching that one I thought I'd close it. anemone|projectors 10:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Results

Not good news then? It should have been Andy in my opinion Wiki edit Jonny 22:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Given the bottom two, Hope should have gone, and Dermot O'Leary agrees. Futureproof have been the best for the past two weeks, so I have no idea what the public are thinking. Andy should have gone. He doesn't deserve to be there. Also Kimberley doesn't deserve to come back. I hope Futureproof get a record deal, because they are the only ones whose album I'd be interested in buying (well, maybe Same Difference...) anemone|projectors 22:29, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm Blue song

Why did you feel the need to undo my changes? Do you want me to GIVE you the acapella of it so you can see for yourself my friend?

"this original research is worse than the other original research, it also contains a personal interpretation of the meaning - this needs a source if it to be readded"

I will personally pitch down the acapella and add just the sample of the chorus for you just to make you happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremador (talk • contribs) 02:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

That whole section is based on original research, but your additions especially so. Original research is not allowed, and uploading it yourself is still original research, so should not be done. Find a website that mentions it (not one you created), and you can add it to the article. anemone|projectors 03:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Dude you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Why don't you fucking check the a capella for yourself and see that it says I'M BLUE IF I WOULD BLEED I WOULD DIE? Jesus some people in this world just shouldn't exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremador (talk • contribs) 18:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I did. Read WP:OR. anemone|projectors 19:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

And what does it say? I'M BLUE IF I WOULD BLEED I WOULD DIE. Stop editing the page and let people see for themselves jackass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Extremador (talk • contribs) 20:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Read WP:OR and WP:V. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. If you continue to add original research after you have been asked not to, you will be blocked from editing. anemone|projectors 20:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The information *CAN* be verified. LISTEN TO THE A CAPELLA OF IT AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT IT SAYS. Extremador 21:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

But it is still original research and it can't be verified by reliable sources. anemone|projectors 21:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

There has been some problems with adding unsourced, and/or unreliable information to the List of Smallville episodes page. Robinepowell continually adds episode titles and airdates to the page without providing any source, or providing sources that completely fail Wikipedia's reliable sourcing guideline. As you can see on on her talk page, I have continued to try and explain to her the problems with each of the sources she's claiming to get the information from. First she pulled from Kryptonsite, which is a fansite. Then she pulled from spoilerfix, episode world, episode list, and scifistream.com. All appear to get their information from Kryptonsite, some explicitly saying so. The key to the majority of those sources she cites is that any registered person can edit and add more episodes on their pages. When I reviewed each sources "About us" page, it was clear that they were all fansites. You can see the sources on my talk page. She has since been claiming that a TV Guide source that says Smallville has enough scripts for 16 episodes is a translation that all the titles and airdates on those fansites is fair game to use--even though TV Guide does not mention any title or airdate for any episode in their article. This is become such a stupid edit war, and I'm only trying to preserve the integrity of the featured list. Am I wrong in this? I'm sorry to bug you with it, but you're one of the few Admins I know that appears around television related articles.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No, you're not wrong. They're not reliable sources, especially as one of them says "Airing order is estimated until the official U.S. air dates are announced." Would you like me to do something about it? :-S anemone|projectors 22:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Right now, maybe just say something to her. I'm hoping to avoid a lot of combativeness with this, and maybe she'll respect the advice of an admin over a regular editor. I mean, she's saying that this source confirms that "Siren" will be January 10, when it only confirms an episode title of "Siren", and not what number that episode will air. And that this source confirms all the titles and airdates. I don't know, maybe explain that she cannot use the synthesis of the TV Guide articles with the Kryptonsite titles to confirms titles and airdates.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:58, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, the first link says "Black Canary will make her first appearance on the CW series in the Jan. 10 episode" and then "where there’s Black Canary, the Green Arrow can’t be far behind. Indeed, the episode, titled “Siren,” will feature the return of the Emerald Archer" so I think it's safe to say the January 10 episode will be called "Siren". But then again, you don't know which number episode will be on that date (right?). The other source doesn't give anything, at least that I can see. If Kryptonsite is unreliable (which it is) then it can't be used, even in conjunction with the other source, something to do with WP:SYN, maybe. anemone|projectors 23:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
You know what, I kept searching "January" on the page, but I didn't think to look for "Jan.". Thanks for pointing that out. I'll just add that to Smallville (season 7), where we have the other general prose information. I can't see a way to add it to the LOE page, since we don't know where Jan. 10 will fall.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Sometimes it helps to read everything ;) I hope that helps with what Robinepowell is doing but if not then I'll try to help, but I'm a bit of a rubbish admin so I can't promise anythin! anemone|projectors 23:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, I apologized to her for missing that part, and explained where I put it. But, if you read her talk page, you'll see that I have repeatedly explained that the sources she's using do not meet WP:RS, but she continues to add the information back in.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
If it's still a problem tomorrow, I'll try to do something about it then... as for now, it's gone midnight so I must sleep :) anemone|projectors 00:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate you hearing me out. Hopefully it won't be an issue any longer, but I'll know by tomorrow morning, based on her edit history. Have a good night.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Robin has continued reverting on the page, believing that Spoilerfix is a reliable source and that TV Guide article confirms the existence of those other episodes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 22:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I've left a comment on her user talk page and added the article in question to my watchlist. anemone|projectors 22:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Shayne Ward‎

Can you please explain your revert of my edit, if not please self revert. Thank you and regards.--Vintagekits 23:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

There was nothing in the article to suggest that he belongs in that category. anemone|projectors 23:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[2], hope this helps. regards.--Vintagekits 23:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
So add it to the article with the source and then you can add the category back. anemone|projectors 00:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Songs

Pretty happy with all of them, although they could have found a better song for Rhydian. [3] Wiki edit Jonny 11:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Alisha's is the right song for her but probably won't win her votes. Andy's is a good song but he's just bland, should have gone weeks ago. Beverley will probably steal the show. Hope will probably be a disaster. Leon will be rubbish, boring song. Which Because of You is Niki doing? Rhydian's is a rubbish song but no doubt everyone will love him. Same Difference could be bad cos it's a hard song to do but I hope they do it well. Futureproof will be the best. anemone|projectors 12:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Certainly not pessimistic then are we? haha I think Niki's doing the Kelly Clarkson version. Wiki edit Jonny 14:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
She probably is. I don't know it. Most of the remaining people do good performances but none of them really excite me anymore. I just want Andy and Leon to go. Andy was Heat magazine's torso of the week, he's got a really weird body ;) anemone|projectors 15:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I tried to say this last week but my internet cut out. Personally, I'm losing faith in the whole show. None of this year's contestants are remarkable, none of them would make an impact if they were in the music industry. They've tried too hard with this series to make it 'dazzling' and I feel that they're getting a bit cocky. It's all gone a bit nasty with the constant bickering between the judges which deviates from what the show's really about. The controversy as well pisses me off and it just reminds me of what a yobbish, ugly society we live it. I just feel that it's lost its charm; which is why I haven't been that involved in the article recently. Wiki edit Jonny 19:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Signature

Hello, AnemoneProjectors! Thanks for signing my signature book! I love your signature, its exquisite. Anyway, its a little late for this, but:


Happy Halloween!
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Your recent edit to The X Factor (UK series 4)

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from The X Factor (UK series 4). When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as the text has been restored from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Elanthiel 20:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you but please don't patronise me. I messed up due to an edit conflict and was trying to self-revert but you caused a second edit conflict. Plus, you reverted to the wrong revision. I'm an admin here so I don't need welcoming to Wikipedia and I know all about edit summaries - I provided one each time. Thank you. anemone|projectors 20:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Ln of X

Probably another sockpuppet of User:Ln of x (my personal stalker). anemone|projectors 14:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

So I had guessed... but might as well play it out just in case he isn't. But with his most recent revert, it seems that he is. Ah well... what does he have against you, anyways? Gscshoyru 14:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Just waiting for evidence. I have no idea what's wrong with that person but look at the number of sockpuppets! anemone|projectors 14:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

fan website links

Hello, I was wondering if you could clarify something for me. When editing wiki articles, am I correct in thinking that it is inappropriate to include external links to fansites? I was under the impression that if people are contributing to an article about a singer or actor for example, then only their official website should be included as well as any relevant published sources (such as newspaper articles, interviews, IMDb page, etc). I have come across a few pages recently that have links to fan websites and always thought that this was considered to be inappropriate linkage to Wiki articles as they are not technically official sources - regardless of how well made they are. Thank you. 79.69.45.4 23:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I believe you are correct, however, on reviewing WP:EL, it doesn't specifically mention fansites. If it helps, I always remove fansites when I see them listed. anemone|projectors 23:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. Although I can see that there is no specific mention of fansites on WP:EL I believe that they are covered sufficiently in Personal Web Pages (in the "links to be avoided" section) and therefore contravene Wiki policy. Can you also offer your thoughts on the use of MYspace page links. In the same "links to be avoided" section, there appears to be a blanket policy on MYspace page links, regardless of whether it is a celebrity's own MYspace page. Should these too therefore also be avoided as a rule? 79.69.45.4 06:30, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
You're right, I didn't spot that "personal websites" bit. As for MySpace, my personal opinion is that official MySpace pages should be allowed. It does say at the top: "Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject" — my opinion is that official MySpaces are covered by that. I think #11 probably refers to fan-made MySpace pages, but it's not clear. anemone|projectors 10:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
In that case I finally have a source that says Lorna Fitzgerald is cute. Go onto her official bebo page and there it is. You said that a myspace page counts, and so therefore does a bebo page. Since I now have a source to state that Lorna Fitzgerald is cute, this has to be included in the article. Modulo 12 03:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh piss off. anemone|projectors 09:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Songs

What on earth have they done for Rydian? That song is horrific! [4] Wiki edit Jonny 11:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

OMG. But Disco is a rubbish theme anyway... Alisha & Beverley = predictable again. Someone I work with thinks Rhydian will do that really well. I think Same Diff will be the best again. anemone|projectors 16:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppets

It seems TWINKLE isn't very helpful when reporting sockpuppets! Sorry for the confusion in tags added to various user pages - it was the first time I'd used TWINKLE for reporting sockpuppets and I don't think I will again! Stephenb (Talk) 19:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't think you should! Did it create all those suspected sockpuppet pages too? anemone|projectors 19:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes :( It makes multiple pages for every report, and seems to mix up the puppet and the puppeteer. I'll report it at some point, but have to sign off now. Stephenb (Talk) 19:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Stevenage

Just wanted to say thanks for taking some photos of Stevenage. I wanted to (and it would be easy as I live there), but I don't own a camera. Did you come on a Sunday? It's a shame, because the place looks empty and it's not typical. A busy Saturday afternoon would have been better! You'll have to come back! anemone|projectors 23:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments on the photographs. They were taken just after sun-rise during the week. The intention was to take photos of the buildings without people but I do agree with you they need to be complemented by images of a living town. I will keep it in mind, but it may be some time before I am in that part of the world again, particularly during shopping hours.
Traveler100 (talk) 09:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
I guessed it was either early morning or a Sunday. Maybe I'll buy myself a decent camera and take some photos myself. anemone|projectors 11:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Mick Jackson :)

Apologies, guess that's what having to play commercial disco music on a Friday night does to me - definitely a good fact for pub quiz trivia though :) Cheers, Richsage (talk) 20:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

No probs. And probably not many people know that. I didn't until tonight! anemone|projectors 20:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Oops, yep I made the same mistake as well, you learn something new everyday. That tried your patience didn't it? Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 21:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I've only changed it about 70 thousand times! It wasn't you though, it was the person before you! At least now there's someone else who will revert on my behalf ;) anemoneIprojectors 21:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Why?

May I ask why you got rid of the table that I created for next weeks show?--Hiltonhampton (talk) 20:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Becuase it's too early. Add it next Saturday. It's pointless having an empty table in the article for a week. anemone|projectors 21:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
There has been three empty tables for the past three weeks.--Hiltonhampton (talk) 21:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
None of them were added until at least Friday. anemone|projectors 22:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my userpage! Jack?! 00:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
To AnemoneProjectors for reverting the vandalism on my userpage. Thanks! Jack?! 00:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

My user page

I've started on my user page but I don't know how to liven it up into a better format. Any pointers? :) Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 01:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Good to know some stuff about you! I guess the best way is to look at other userpages for inspiration. anemoneIprojectors 13:33, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I've had a look at the userbox article and I know how to type the template into my user page. But, I'm guessing there's a database of all the userbox templates from which we quote to place a desired userbox on our page? Is this the case? Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
If you go to the bottom of the page Wikipedia:Userboxes there's a navigational template (or click that link) with links to all the subpages that contain lists of userboxes and their codes. There's your database. They're split into subjects like languages, food, films, etc, to make it easier to find what you want. Userboxes are probably the simplest thing to bring some colour to your page, although a few people tend to ignore them. There's some really good looking userpages around but I have no idea how they do it. Mine is pretty simple too, I think. I also have a subpage with more userboxes, if you're interested. anemoneIprojectors 22:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Brilliant! There's no stopping me now, I'm hooked! Where did you get the template for the 'supporting Same Difference' one? Thanking you copiously :) Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
It's a userbox that someone created and probably isn't listed in those pages I mentioned. Lots of userboxes are in the user space rather than the template space, and many aren't listed there, but there are also users who have large colletions of userboxes with their own lists. If you see a userbox on a page you like, you can click the "edit this page" tab to view the source and get the code for that userbox. The one you mentioned is {{User:T/UBX/BigBroSupport|SD|Same Difference|The X Factor (UK series 4)}}. It was created for Big Brother but works for anything! anemoneIprojectors 22:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Favour

Can you undelete these for me when youy get the chance please? :)

Image:Devcorrie.jpg Image:Doreenfenwick.jpg Image:Yana corrie.jpg Gungadin♦ 18:37, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Done. anemoneIprojectors 18:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Ta Gungadin♦ 18:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Love songs week

I'm not sure who the original artists are of Leon and Hope's songs. But I think it's good to see Rhydian doing a straight-up vocal performance rather than prancing around on stage. There's no way Beverley can pull off that number, her voice is no way near good enough. Niki's is likely to sound dated. Same Difference will probably pull that one off because they did it at their judges' homes audition.[5] Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 11:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Hope are doing the Christina Aguilera version and Leon is doing the one by Eddy Arnold. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 11:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I think you'll find it's Christina and Eddie Arnold. I'm seeing a great week for Rhydian and Same Difference. All the rest will probably be disasters. Oh well! anemoneIprojectors 12:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

WHAT THE HELL ARE HOPE STILL DOING IN THE COMPETITION?!?! It's so obvious that the public don't like them because they've been in the bottom two three times now. It doesn't matter how bloody good you are, if no-one likes you then no-one's gonna buy your singles! Beverly sounded a lot worse over the TV than what the judges were hearing — they loved her performance when it sounded terrible from where I was sitting. On a firmly positive note, Same Difference were seriously good tonight! I have finally been won-over by those two because they actually delivered a decent vocal performace rather than larked around with props on stage. Rhydian was so-so tonight in my opinion; he can do a lot better than that because his performance wasn't original. Niki as well lost it halfway through her song and it sounded rough. I'm starting to like Leon a lot now. He's a better jazz-singer than a pop singer, hopefully we won't have another Ray Quinn on our hands! I've got to say though, I loved the whole deadlock thing, it was so dramatic and the suspense was way better than the normal voting. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Lol! Hope are in because they got more public votes. Sharon did the right thing but voting for Beverley. I happen to like Hope, and I admit they had a bad week but they've been excellent in the past. Beverley did sound terrible, I knew she wouldn't pull off that song. Same Difference have been seriously good every week. Rhydian was a bit so-so, I wonder if he's peaked, or the audience is starting to go off him. Niki was off key, I thought. But she was miles better than Beverley. I still don't like Leon, I don't see the appeal at all. I'm surprised Beverley went though, even when it came to public votes, but I'm glad it wasn't Hope. I'd have preferred Leon to go instead. anemoneIprojectors 21:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad Beverley isn't going to win though, it would be a nightmare to market somebody named Trotman... anemoneIprojectors 21:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Lol, I'm with you on that one, she would definitely have to be a stage-name job. There was someone in the last series called Richard Handcock which the judges found amusing. He got to bootcamp but his voice held him back (as well as his name!). Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
There's always one... I think they might have had the same problem with Leona Lewis if she had been married when she auditioned. anemoneIprojectors 22:29, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
"Leona Al-Chamaa", what ring. It's like an American waitress married to someone from Al-Qaeda. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I just think it would have been difficult to market the name. However if she does get married, she'll probably become Leona Lewis Al-Chamaa which isn't so bad, and release material under the name Leona Lewis. Lou Al-Chamaa is hot, by the way. anemoneIprojectors 22:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Haha Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Did you know Lou gets stopped at airports in America because of his name? At least that's what Leona said. anemoneIprojectors 22:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of births, marriages and deaths in EastEnders

List of births, marriages and deaths in EastEnders, an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that List of births, marriages and deaths in EastEnders satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of births, marriages and deaths in EastEnders and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of births, marriages and deaths in EastEnders during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Collectonian (talk) 22:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Unprotection

Heylo, do you think we could get away with unprotecting the article now? Hopefully that idiot who kept making the Jacksons edit will have made a much-needed exit lol. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 15:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure, but if it carries on, I'll have to protect it again! anemoneIprojectors 16:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Louis Walsh

I suggest removing the "Michael Vincent" altogether until a source better than The Sun reports it, unless it was mentioned live on the programme. Brad (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Me too. Have just repied on the article's talk page. anemoneIprojectors 00:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Classification of admins

Hi AnemoneProjectors. Please consider adding your admin username to the growing list at Classification of admins. Best! -- Jreferee t/c 23:00, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Best of British week

I quite like most of the songs they've chosen; not because I like the songs individually, but because they're different. That is all apart from Louis who yet again, has chosen safe and somewhat dated songs for Niki. GRRGH [6] Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 12:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I am LOVING Hope's choices, and Leon's are good too. I might actually like him for the first time ever. Why is Niki doing two slow songs? I AM NOT HAPPY WITH SAME DIFFERENCE'S SONGS!!!!!!!!! But I really hope they pull it off this week! anemoneIprojectors 12:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I take that back ;) anemoneIprojectors 21:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

FFS

Look, it's happened Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor EastEnders characters. This person must be trying to get adminship or something, upping their involvement in AFDs to up their stats. I'm getting really pissed off with this whole project.Gungadin♦ 21:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

That is the last thing I ever expected to happen. Can we do anything right? anemoneIprojectors 21:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
clearly not. They dont give a shit how much time has gone into these things either. They went and changed the minor character list rule, and now we dont have a guideline or policy to back up our argument to keep. Gungadin♦ 21:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Where is this rule? anemoneIprojectors 21:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
It used to say here, that non-notable characters should be merged into a list, but they have now changed it. Here's a past edit of the page that said it [7]Gungadin♦ 21:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I remember that it used to say that. There should be a rule against changing guidelines. At least the spin-offs characters could be merged into the spin-offs article (messy!). They'll be nominating all the characters with no OOU perspectve next. I'm actually devastated by this. anemoneIprojectors 21:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm really sorry about that. It's just that there are so many characters. Ask to have the pages userfied, and then work on them. Fee Fi Foe Fum 00:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
It's just a shock to see so many articles being tagged at once. A few of the recent deletions are in my userspace. anemoneIprojectors 00:20, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

That's what i have been dreading. They may regret it when they have to do hundreds of AFDs for all the minor characters who will probably get their own page if there's no list to put them in. The fact that we had to merge so many should be an indication to them. But that's a good idea about the spin offs.Gungadin♦ 22:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

At least Elonka is on our side :) I wish AFD was a vote though. anemoneIprojectors 22:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

this dude is just nasty.Gungadin♦ 23:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Anything with a PROD, just remove the PROD. Anything else doesn't mean it's up for deletion, we just need to fix it. Remember, THERE IS NO DEADLINE TO DO THIS. They ARE notable so we can removed notability tags. anemoneIprojectors 23:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Anything we de-prod will just go to AFD. The time to move to Wikia is now. anemoneIprojectors 23:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
all the minor characters who will probably get their own page if there's no list to put them in - I can understand your frustration, particularly when your efforts are focused on improving current article standards, which as you mentioned due to recent policy amendments, now classify them as sub-standard. Although I haven't had any involvement in Eastenders (and do not plan to), I have (as I noted on my comment in the AfD), had substantial contributions to issues of a similar nature on Emmerdale/Coronation Street, which of course may now also be at threat of falling victim to a similar fate as this soap's minor character articles. I do understand why some editors feel the need to make their efforts at cleaning up articles (to the point of non-existance, as I am totally against individual articles for small characters, and against excessive articles which no real value), but I feel stronger for a cleanup in the way of how they're organised and general tidying up, which is the route you are trying to take. As for moving on, it's unfortunate some editors have made you feel like that, although in most cases the most rewarding outcome from actions with your project in particular are often those you need to fight your corner on. Bungle (talk • contribs) 11:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

EastEnders

Like I said to Gungadin, I'm laying off EastEnders for now. But the two of you should be able to find sources, or not, for the three characters I already nominated. I hope you noticed I left Wellard and Willy alone, since they seem to be notable. Fee Fi Foe Fum 00:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[8] you should read this, shame we can't use any of it.Gungadin♦ 20:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
That's absolutely brilliant. Do we know who wrote it? One could argue that as it's from an actual scriptwriter, we should be able to use it. A shame there's no mention of Santer, he's really brought the show to life, it hasn't been this good for a hell of a long time. anemoneIprojectors 22:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeh I like Santer's stuff, I hadnt really been watching EE with much interest until he came on board (which is why I only used to work on past characters). It seems to be an anonymous post on there. I was amused by the stuff he was saying about Shannis. I was never a fan of that storyline, preferred Sharon with Grant. Hutchinson seems like a right bitch.Gungadin♦ 23:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Shannis confused me, and whoever decided to kill off Dennis when he was leaving the country anyway was an idiot. It didn't make for good television, it just made me angry at the writers/whoever. Then again, Dennis's death had a part to play in "Get Johnny Week"... but that was another pointless storyline if you ask me. Isn't it funny how Sharon lost the "love of her life" and then found another one? anemoneIprojectors 23:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeh, Get Johnny week was shit. Apparently Dennis was killed because Letitia Dean was due to return to EE in 2006, but her marriage broke down, so she moved to France for a year to get over it instead of returning to EE. So, in hindsight Dennis' death was pointless, but I guess at the time they had to have a plausible way for Sharon to return without Dennis. You mean losing Tom Banks and finding Dennis Rickman? I think she just forgot that Tom was meant to be the love of her life when she upgraded to the much sexier Dennis :) Gungadin♦ 23:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe being the love of Sharon's life is a curse that always ends in death... She's lucky to have had two though! Some characters don't even get one. anemoneIprojectors 23:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Conversation please

Can you come to that talk page to discuss please? Rhanyeia♥♫ 17:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Which one? anemoneIprojectors 17:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you knew. :) The userbox. Best regards Rhanyeia♥♫ 17:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I checked your contributions to find the one you meant. I have commented. anemoneIprojectors 17:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Songs

A bit predictable but should be a good show [9]. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 12:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Is Niki doing an Oasis cover??? I wish she was but I guess it's the Fleetwood Mac one, covered by Eva Cassidy. Same Difference = good. The rest = meh. Although "Bridge over Troubled Water" is one of my favourite songs. I'll probably hate it after Saturday! anemone│projectors 22:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Which of Niki's songs? I'm almost certain "Songbird" is the one by Eva Cassidy from her album of the same title. "One Moment in Time" is almost certainly the one by Whitney. Bridge Over Troubled Water should be good, sorry to harp on about Eva Cassidy, but have you heard her version of the song? It's amazing. Leona's version is still astonishing though. I would like to see Same Difference go tomorrow (even though I quite like them I think the final would be better with Rhydian, Leon and Niki). Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 11:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
"Songbird" is also a song by Oasis, but yes it'll be the Fleetwood Mac song covered by Eva Cassidy. It has no article on Wikipedia. "Songbird" is the only Oasis song I like. I haven't heard many Eva Cassidy songs, I'm not into her. I love Hear'Say's version of "Bridge over Troubled Water" and as I said, it's one of my all-time favourite songs. Same Difference are the favourites to go but everyone I speak to still can't see the appeal of Leon and they all agree he should go next (and every week they say he should have gone and I always agree). He appears to have genu varum and always looks ashamed of himself. Not to mention that his voice and style aren't very good, and the way he moves is like he's been possessed by something. He's just strange. anemone│projectors 12:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
He does have genu varum now you come to mention it! For me, something clicked last week when he sang "Long and Winding Road". His inversion of some of the cadences made the performance remarkable and from the heart. I was supporting Rhydian up to that point but I think he's peaked in the competition. True, Leon was diabolical in the earlier stages — he held the mic at a weird angle and was as wooden as a plank, but he's growing substantially. I think there's more to Leon than meets the eye. Same Difference certainly have a market out there but I wouldn't want to see them win — it's a vocal talent competition at the end of the day. You can't have Leona Lewis win one year and then Same Difference the next! Niki is pretty much the opposite, with a decent enough voice but absolutely no place in the real world. I think it's gonna be one of the boys this year. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 15:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Thingy from Doctor Who said Leon hasn't been on a long and winding road, as he wasn't feeling that song at all. It wasn't from the heart at all. None of his performances have been remarkable. Same Difference CAN win and should! There's no reason why they couldn't. I agree about Niki. I wouldn't mind Rhydian winning although I'd never buy any of his music. But Leon winning would be a disaster. anemone│projectors 17:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
We'll agree to disagree (on SD and Leon anyway) lol. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 17:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
So who actually is your favourite? anemone│projectors 18:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not as crazy about any of them as much as I was Leona last year, but I guess Leon or Same Difference. I'm bored with Rhydian's operatic and camp performaces now and Niki isn't remarkable. If Same Difference went down the Scissor Sisters/glam route I think they'd have a decent niche. The cheesy kids' pop isn't my kinda thing but I can see there's a market for it. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 21:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Glad Niki went. Ironically, she gave her best performance on her last one... at least she went out with a bang! Personally I thought the performances this week was seriously dreary! The first half was all slow funeral songs that barely had a melody. It got better in the second half but it wasn't great. What on earth was going on with those dancers during Rhydian's "Bridge Over Troubled Water"?! Leon had a pretty bad week but the public love him, as they do Same Difference. I really don't care about what Louis says at all now, he's sunk so far in my estimation that just don't care if he exists (harsh, I know). At least he won't be back for series 5. What a pathetic man, he better give SD their due in the final next week. Although, it won't make any difference because the public obviously haven't been listening to what he says about them anyway. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

P.S. loved the 'haha you were wrong' comment about "Go West" lol. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean Niki's last performance after being eliminated was her best? Everyone does better when they perform in the results show, it's been like that since series 2 (I didn't watch series 1). Yes the first half was very dreary, but the second half was better. Then again, only Same Difference stood out for me in the second half. Rhydian's dancers were very odd and one of them nearly fell over near the edge of the stage. I'm surprised the judges didn't mention them. How do you know Louis won't be back for series 5? I've now got to come to terms with the fact that Leon might win. My "haha you were wrong" was because someone put in Same Difference and Rhydian as singing next but it was the other way around. I protected the page for 2 hours because of the Go West thing. I don't want edit wars during the live show when I'm trying to edit every 5 minutes. Surprisingly, when I checked the article after the results, there wasn't much that needed changing or reverting! anemone│projectors 22:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol, yeah her one in the results show was great because she made it a proper live performance by personalising it and addressing it to particular people. Louis won't be back because he said explicitly that he wouldn't return because he wanted to focus on the artists he manages... and also that he's 'not a TV-loving diva like Simon Cowell'. Also, I don't think he wants to run the risk of being sacked again... because he will. They brought him back for this series through gritted teeth because no-one wanted the job at such short notice and Cowell had to find someone QUICK to replace Friedman. I doubt Sharon will return for series 5 either because she was so determined to win this year and not even getting close she seems to have taken personally. I think she feels a bit of a side-show act with Dannii now on board and whether there's animosity between her and Dannii or not, Sharon's no longer exclusively the female panelist on the show. I can just feel that she won't want to return. Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 23:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't want Louis back, he's not very nice sometimes. I said before I could see why he was sacked. I don't want Sharon to go too, though she said she would if she didn't win. I don't think she will go. anemone│projectors 23:46, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair use images

Can you just expain to me what fair use images are and why they are not allowed on my page. Thanks In23065 (talk) 19:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Songs for final

This is the last time we'll do this![10] Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 12:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Good stuff. I'm really looking forward to seeing SD do Mariah! Bit unfair that Leon is the only one doing two songs he hasn't already done. anemone│projectors 14:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Sig

I'd simply like to mention that your signature is unique and asthetically pleasing. нмŵוτнτ 17:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! It took ages to perfect, caused me loads of problems when I used | instead of │ and won't let me link the │ to my contributions because I don't have enough space left but never mind! anemone│projectors 20:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Although I don't like that it's a bit uneven. anemone│projectors 20:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

LEON JACKSON

WHAT DID I TELL YOU?! WHAT DID I F**KING TELL YOU?!?!?! MAYBE I SHOULD TURN OFF CAPS LOCK haha Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 22:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

What did you fucking (just say it, it's not censored!) tell me? I forget. anemone│projectors 22:46, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Haha. Am well glad Leon won. It was a win-win situation for me when Rhydian and Leon went into the second round because I didn't mind which of them won. Commiserations to you about SD though... Dannii's done pretty well this year I'd say Wiki edit Jonny (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually I'm glad Leon won. After he sang with Kylie, I came to terms with the fact he might win, and then I wanted him to beat Rhydian, so when Same Difference didn't get through, I wanted Leon to win. I didn't expect Same Difference to win really. But after the result was announced, all I could do was laugh, and laugh, and laugh, for about 20 minutes :P anemone│projectors 23:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. In23065 (talk) 15:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Touché. anemone│projectors 15:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Seasons greetings

You got a Christmas card! → → →

Thanks! Yeah that does look like Rhydian. But actually Futureproof should have won. Leon's better than Rhydian anyway. anemone│projectors 22:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Why the gay sleigh? anemone│projectors 22:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh you mean the multi-coloured flag, lol. I hadn't noticed that before. Perhaps Santa is finally "coming out". everyone knows that has orgies with all those elves of his.Gungadin♦ 22:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the rainbow flag. The image is called Image:LGBTsleigh.png, so it's not necessarily gay, but it's LGBT. Why is there a gay Christmas cupid too? (I guess that explains the heart on the flag!) anemone│projectors 22:50, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm more concerned that Cupid seems to be straddling Santa in front of the reindeers! He's doing the Reverse cowgirl (or cowboy) lol. He seems to be having fun though Gungadin♦ 23:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Actually it's behind the reindeer... That's a serious allegation you're making against Santa though!!! anemone│projectors 23:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

if he's going to go riding a sleigh with a naked cupid on his lap then what does he expect!Gungadin♦ 23:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Talkheader

Ok then. Weirdy Talk 04:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Same Difference

I'd be inclined to reinstate the page and punt it off to AFD, because I see an edit war looming. (FWIW I'd vote weak keep but I think your reasons are sound and stand a good chance of being accepted. In fact, if you nominate it I won't vote - howsat? :-) ) Ros0709 (talk) 21:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

After I redirected it, I forgot that I said I would take it to AFD. I will next time! AFD isn't a vote so you can comment there if you want to. anemone│projectors 21:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I had a change of mind anyway and have recommended delete. Ros0709 (talk) 09:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Why was it deleted

Why was the X Factor Series 5 article deleted? it will easily be created again by someone else, as there will be a series 5. But why did you delete the article? (Shadowmoon13 (talk) 21:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC))

Because it was 100% speculation. anemone│projectors 22:18, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

No it wasn't. There will be an X Factor series 5, and someone will easily create it again. Its best to create it now. (Shadowmoon13 (talk) 08:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC))

Okay, well there was an article at The X Factor 5 which I marked for deletion, but have since moved it to the correct location of The X Factor (UK series 5). Feel free to comment on the AFD. anemone│projectors 11:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Mrs Patel's sari shop

Are you sure about that? I haven't seen any reference to it on-screen. Maybe I don't pay attention though. anemone│projectors 00:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

It was referred to last month before she kicked Billy and Honey out. She that's what she was turning the shop into. Conquistador2k6 00:38 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh ok, thanks! anemone│projectors 11:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Rescue

Template:Rescue has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Benjiboi 21:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

X Factor fansites

You and I have reverted many attempts to promote some X Factor fansites. It seemed pretty clear to me they were being promoted by the creator and thus fell foul of WP:COI but that concern aside, are they actually bad links? I've decided to let it be - but if the links should be purged then perhaps Shadowbot should be employed? Ros0709 (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ermmmmmm I dunno. I just know they shouldn't be used because they're unofficial fansites :) anemone│projectors 23:57, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Ta! I was of the view "fansites=bad" but the various wiki pages I looked at didn't explicitly state that; there seemed to be some room to allow them. Ros0709 (talk) 15:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I'm going to stop removing them from articles though because people always always always question me when I do it. anemone│projectors 16:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

fonejacker

hi, i was wondering why everytime i try to add the fonejacker fansite to the fonejacker wiki page you remove it. do you not consider it to be a fonejacker resource? i see that almost every wiki pages has a link to a fansite in some way. do you have a personal vendetta againt me adding this resource? please dont take this message to be insulting in anyway. i just wish to know why. kind regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.95.165 (talk) 12:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Because fansites in general aren't allowed, and the videos on the two websites that were on the Fonejacker page appear to violate copyright. anemone│projectors 13:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Can u guess my feelings 4 LGs ?

Hey there.

Could you tell me who you believe that user to be a sock of? — Coren (talk) 17:30, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Ln of x as I pointed on on the user page of User:Can u guess my feelings 4 LGs ?. anemone│projectors 17:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Note the similar username User:IloveLGs, and the unblock request which is the same for almost every sockpuppet of this user. anemone│projectors 17:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
So noted. Silly didn't think of looking at the User page, just didn't find on the talk page.  :-) Thanks. — Coren (talk) 17:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for the portal spacing at Portal:Television. Cirt (talk) 21:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC).

You're welcome. It was bugging me! anemone│projectors 22:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Big Brother 2008 (UK)

Hi! I was wondering if I could ask you a question about the above, which you protected from creation in September. I came across Big Brother 2008 UK while looking through New Pages, and after editing a little, tried to move it to Big Brother 2008 (UK) to be consistent with the titles of other years of the series. I don't know a lot about Big Brother, and I'm not an admin, so I'm not sure if:

  1. the original title needs unprotected, since the series is apparently going ahead and it would be consistent with names of other, similar articles;
  2. the new article needs protected/altered in some way, for the same reason as the currently protected title;
  3. the article should just be left as is, since the inconsistency in titles is inconsequential? (Sorry if this is a bit confused... I've just realised how late it is!) Thanks --Kateshortforbob 01:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I've unprotected and moved the page now. anemone│projectors 12:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! --Kateshortforbob 14:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Maltese Singles Chart

Hi Anemone - I've been looking for the Maltese Singles Chart to help update the Bleeding Love page but can't find it - the link given on the wiki page doesn;t lead to the chart. Can you help? Leipzigger98 20:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The reference given was the wrong one, I've changed it. anemone│projectors 21:13, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanku

U know what for. sorry im not around as much as i used to be xxx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungadin (talk • contribs) 23:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You're totally welcome. anemone│projectors 00:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Best Kept Secret

Hi AnemoneProjectors.

Thought I'd move the discussion here. In your last edit you said "(again, it still IS an album, and the demos is a claim by Cowell, we can't say they ARE demos. also the quote was wrong as it's from two separate sources.)"

If we can't say they are demos, we can't say it is an album either surely? It's one side's words against another's. And given they're claiming one of the tracks is a duet with someone Leona hadn't even met before X-Factor Series 3 started Robert Allen (Track 4. "Private Party" featuring Robert Allen) and Leona had no contact with UEG after starting X-Factor it suggests that they're taking demo vocals and arranging them to their needs. It's definitely not finished songs.

Also is there any evidence that it was ever released? If there is no evidence it was released (and all we seem to have is some newspaper PR by Barry Bee and UEG, the contents of which are disputed) does it even fall within the remit of Wikipedia as a full album?

I could possibly understand if the controversy was mentioned as a sidenote to Leona's page, but there's far too much controversy to even suggest that it exists as an entity to give it a page of its own.

I hope you can see where I'm coming from on this.

cheers, R77 Leipzigger98 01:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rushian77 (talk • contribs)

Hi there. Well, we have to say it is an album because some people have downloaded it, only when something manages to destroy every copy can we use past tense. I've seen on forums that it was actually available to download from Juno for a short while, but a forum isn't a reliable source. It's an album because "an album is a collection of related audio or music tracks distributed to the public" which is true in this case. I see your point about Robert Allen, and you're probably right that they are demo vocals, but we can only say Cowell claims they're demos, we can't say they are demos without absolute proof from a reliable source. I did request deletion for the article because I wasn't so sure about it after a while, but consensus was to keep it as it was well referenced! However I don't see any problem with merging and redirecting it back to Leona Lewis. There's already a paragraph about it there anyway. anemone│projectors 13:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
My main beef would be do we really know it was available from Juno, or was that Barry Bee/UEG posting that it was? I know on Digital Spy for instance there were a couple of aliases from the same IP addy which were advertising its forthcoming release and badmouthing Spirit until they were banned. Have we got anyway of referencing its release which proves it was distributed, even if from a reliable poster on a forum? If we can't prove it was distributed, it no longer becomes an album ;)
cheers Leipzigger98 (talk) 17:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm a member of leonalewisfansite.co.uk, my information came from the forums there. Anyway I merged the entire article into Leona Lewis after my first reply and I'll even remove the bit about it being released seeing as we don't have a reliable source for it, and I'll remove it from the infobox and discography section too. anemone│projectors 18:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

User: Gassyguy

I noticed you said you are "watching" gassyguy's userpage for automated messages. He has two images that are slated for deletion due to a lack of a fair use rationale, so I made an attempt to follow the instructions to keep them. I'm not sure I have done this correctly, so if you are watching his stuff (I assume that's what you meant by watching) would you be so kind as to make sure I did so properly? Thank you for your time. 64.230.43.189 (talk) 22:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Actually I forgot that GassyGuy wasn't around until a recent edit to his talk page, so I hadn't checked the images. You did a good job, but one of them was already fixed by someone else so you didn't need to add a rationale - I've reverted you on that one. The other one was perfect, but you left in the invalid rationale template so I've removed that. :) anemone│projectors 22:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hi there

Welcome to Wikipedia, I hope you enjoy your stay little one. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 23:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't get it. I've been here since June 2006. anemone│projectors 23:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Socrates knew that the only that he knew was nothing. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 23:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I think he was wrong. anemone│projectors 23:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
You would not be alone in that, in any case, I welcome you to the fold. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 00:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia fold? anemone│projectors 13:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Being in the "fold" doesn't sound all that good at all! it reminds me of Star Wars when they're stuck in that trash compactor in the Death Star, hmmm... in any case, again, welcome! and I hope you don't get crushed! -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 00:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are you welcoming me?! anemone│projectors 00:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Because I am the Librarian oO. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 00:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
That doesn't make sense. anemone│projectors 00:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Of course it does! Now, if you need any help; ie: Library services, please let me know! But I must get on.. Welcome, for the final time. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 01:19, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
You are so confusing. I was welcomed in 2006, I don't need welcoming in 2008. That's all I wanted to say. anemone│projectors 14:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks Marjory. Wikipedia is scary no longer. anemone│projectors 15:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Lulz! I can't believe someone else welcomed you too! -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I can't believe you did. anemone│projectors 22:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

London Meetup

Hey! The next London Wikipedia Meetup is February 09, 2008, at 6pm. Hope to see you then, Poeloq (talk) 22:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh that was quick. Thanks. I'll see who else is going before I decide but at least everyone will know well in advance. anemone│projectors 22:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Lucky You!

Hi there, I wonder if I could grab your expertise. I've been working on Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps, which you might know started its seventh series yesterday. One of the main characters, Jonny, has been written out but his section in List of Two Pints of Lager and a Packet of Crisps characters refers to events going way back to the beginning. Another user wants to move his section into a new "Former characters" section, and I am resisting, on the basis that there are few characters in the series, he is central to it, and it makes no sense to me to have a separate section considering that this will probably be the last series anyway. I see Eastenders characters get moved into a complete new article, but "Two Pints" is a lot smaller in scope. Having failed to find any guidelines for this, would you mind letting me have your opinion? Thanks. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 05:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, my opinion is that he doesn't need to be moved to a new section, as he's still a main character, even if he's not in episodes being aired at the moment. So keep him where he is. anemone│projectors 11:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Much obliged to you. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 12:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Subpages

Just a short reply for the message at Talk:Ronnie Mitchell/Sandbox. I think that only applies in "user" space. I think if it's a test it should not be in main article space. So even the talk page should get the chop? See CSD 2. Or at least that's how it looks to me. I was looking things up and about to ask the creator of the article about it but since it's now gone problem solved. Cheers. Sting_au Talk 00:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh and I should have added that Ronnie Mitchell already exists. Sting_au Talk 00:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:SP says "Writing drafts of major article revisions [isn't allowed], e.g [[Example Article/Temp]] in the main namespace, as you can get there accidentally using special:randompage -- write these in the talk namespace, e.g. [[Talk:Example Article/Temp]]." We're re-writing the article so it's allowed. anemone│projectors 00:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh I get it now. Thanks for the explanation. I was concerned after I marked it as patrolled and thought I should look into it further. If I see something like that in future I'll probably just do a rename and alert the creator. Cheers, Sting_au Talk 00:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah if you find any in future just make sure they're in the talk namespace and not the main one. I didn't even know drafts had to go in the talk namespace until after your first message so thanks for bringing it up! anemone│projectors 09:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi

I don't want to jinx it but I should have internet access at home sometime this week, and then I'll be back for good :) I'm out of practice though, I keep forgetting to type [[]] and ~~~~ and do edit summaries etc! -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 15:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi:

Last night, I added a link to the Eastenders main Wikipedia page, that shows my blog commentary on Eastenders episodes. This was removed by AnemoneProjects (maybe inadvertently or not), and I'm not sure if there is a problem. I 've added it back again, but please let me know if there is a problem.

Also, I 'd be interestd in joining the Eastenders Wiki Project.

Thanks, Ecnirpjh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecnirpjh (talk • contribs) 02:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Your own personal blog does not belong in Wikipedia. See WP:EL. anemone│projectors 02:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


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That's what I get for testing in SineBot's sandbox!!! anemone│projectors 00:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
ROFL, I was reading the comment thinking, "who is this idiot?" do they think that The Projector is 4 years old? I gotta get me one of those bots. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 00:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Are you stalking me? anemone│projectors 13:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not stalking you! I just have a lot of time to Wiki because I have a very very dull deskjob =) -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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Robbie Jackson

Hi, can you protect this page please? some anon keeps deleting an image. Gungadin♦ 22:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

If they do it again I'm going to block them for 3rr anemone│projectors 22:19, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Can't say that would upset me too much :) Gungadin♦ 22:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Blocking is much more satisfying :) anemone│projectors 22:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Than protecting, that is. The same user just vandalised Dot Branning. I think she's been through enough lately! anemone│projectors 22:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I didnt realise he was vandalising other pages. Thanks for taking care of him, although he'll probably be back with an new ip.Gungadin♦ 22:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Seems unlikely as it was the same ip as 2 days ago who removed the image. I only blocked for 31 hours though cos it's like, the rules or something. anemone│projectors 22:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
They removed it again last night, I reverted. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 08:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I noticed. anemone│projectors 11:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
(And again) Can't you block them again? -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 11:57, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I can block them when they make more than three reverts in a period of 24 hours. anemone│projectors 12:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
They have. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 12:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
And that's why I've already blocked them. anemone│projectors 12:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Why

Why did you revert my edit, it wasnt vandalism, fool! —Preceding unsigned comment added by TomIsFromHull (talk • contribs) 13:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Because it wasn't needed. I didn't say it was vandalism. Please also see WP:NPA. anemone│projectors 14:41, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

characters

do you know anything about the characters I labeled as androids --Gabby the kitty (talk) 03:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Stop asking stupid questions. anemone│projectors 11:41, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

MATTHEW CRANE aka YOUNG MAESTRO

Hi,

You have put tags on my page and there seems to be a problem or dispute of some kind and I do not understand it. Please could you be specific for me on the "grey" areas so that I can put them right.

Here is the link:

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Crane

Thank you for your help.

Best Wishes,

Matthew Crane. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.210.3 (talk) 15:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

First if all, if you are the subject of the article, you should read Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. As for the problems with the article, a few examples are the lack of sources (WP:V), "He recently collaborated with two of the UK's finest Rappers" is a personal point of view, as is "Two high profile music channels" amongst other things. "His total viewing audience, so far, exceeds over 100 million viewers in the UK alone." makes it sound as though people watched the shows simply because he was on them. Basically, the whole article needs sourcing and rewriting. anemone│projectors 15:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi again,

If you have the time going to all the different pages on Wikipedia, perhaps you could spend a few minutes editing mine to make it unbiased. Some things that I might consider unbiased, are in fact, biased. I value your input, as all I want is to have my page on Wikipedia without any problems.

Then any statements outstanding which need sourcing, I will put in reputable sources from the National and local press, as I have hundreds of these to back them up.

I look forward to your input,

Best Wishes,

Matthew Crane. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.54.245 (talk) 20:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll try but I can't promise anything. anemone│projectors 21:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind that I'm removing quite a chunk of information, especially the "celebrity reviews" section. And also, please don't be offended if the article ends up being listed for deletion at some point. I'm just not sure that you're quite notable just yet. anemone│projectors 21:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your reverting my edit to Autofellatio

I believe we may have a misunderstanding of what the term "blank edit" means as the way you wrote your edit summary and the very fact that you felt like making that edit seems to indicate that you think I had vandalized the page.

However, according to my understanding (though now I can't find the page I found this information on), the definition of a "blank edit" (as opposed to "blanking a page") means that the edit I made I had no actual effect on the content of the page. The reason I made the edit was to provide a better edit summary than I had before.. I checked the revision page and it didn't look like my edit affected anything. Could you please explain your intention in reverting that edit to me?

EDIT: Oh wait.. I see now. There was some text at the bottom added.. That's odd. I don't know how that got there. I must have pressed one of the wiki markup buttons by accident.. I swear that wasn't intentional.. I did preview the page before I pressed the Save Page button.. It's really odd. Repku (talk) 02:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah normally I wouldn't revert a blank edit as I have made them myself sometimes just to sort out an edit summary... I guess you pressed the redirect icon, which is why I undid your "blank edit" :) I guess I should have explained with an edit summary myself! anemone│projectors 09:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Tedious sock

Hi, you seem to be on WJH1992's case regarding his tedious trail of sockpuppets, so I thought I'd leave User:Babybubler90 to you. Pyrope 21:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Very tedious! I ddn't make the connection between them, but you're probably right. I'll give him a chance this time. He was offered help but rejected it. He obviously wants to help but doesn't seem interested in learning the rules. anemone│projectors 22:10, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
From my previous interactions with him, and detailed study of his edit history, I suspect that he may have some form of learning difficulty. Pyrope 14:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Possibly. I've reverted loads of his edits today. All of them, in fact. anemone│projectors 15:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Heartbeat(Scouting for girls song)

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Bot behaviour is strange. I know it's a relisted AFD but I already commented! anemone│projectors 15:47, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Babybubler90

The ratio of correct edits to incorrect is pretty poor (as I'm sure you know). Why can't the IP address be blocked? I haven't followed the case, but sure seems like it's crying out for something more than just accepting it. Maybe someone would mentor the guy. Tvoz |talk 21:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think most of the edits are in good faith... -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 22:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes they are made in good faith. I don't know about blocking an IP address of someone who's logged in, isn't the IP automatically blocked anyway? Someone offered to mentor him before but he never took up the offer. anemone│projectors 22:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
The edits may be in good faith - I can't tell - but the editor doesn't seem to grasp what he's told about edit summaries and preview, leaving a mess for others to clean up. There were very few usable edits - that can't be right. At some point I think some intervention is called for. Tvoz |talk 08:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, though I don't know what I can do. anemone│projectors 09:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)