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[edit] OLAT

Why did you delete the OLAT entry? OLAT is a well-known open source learning management system (see www.olat.org). What was the problem? joel 09:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

  • It was tagged as spam, and I deleted it as such. As written, it looked more like a SourceForge description of a project than an encyclopedia article. There were no third-party sources describing OLAT, just demos and installation instructions. I'd be fine with undeleting it if someone could provide more references. Also, since you seem to be a developer of this particular project, you should probably read up on Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest. android79 21:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Well I am not the developer I am one of the team members. Here at the University of Zurich we are a team of 10 people working for this project and 20'000 students using our server. There are more core-developers throught Switzerland and Germany and in about 20 countries there are developers translating OLAT. OLAT is a rather big open source project and we think OLAT deserves to be listed similar to Moodle, Claroline or Sakai which are all listed in Wikipedia. What exactly do you mean by more references? Who is using OLAT? You will find a short list of the most important partners here: http://www.olat.org/public/demo/installations.html Please let me know what I should have to change to have OLAT listed again. joel 13:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
      • "The developer" or "one of the team members" makes no difference; there is a potential conflict of interest there. By "references" I mean third-party references – that is, references that have no direct connection to OLAT – from reliable sources. There were none of these in the article I deleted. Has OLAT been covered in the news or relevant technical or scholarly journals? What makes it different from other LMSs – why is it notable? android79 20:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
    • It came to my attention that you plan to delete the OLAT entry. My company frentix GmbH provides commercial services for the OLAT LMS. OLAT is used by a fast growing worldwide community, you can see this by the various translations of the system that are available. OLAT is very popular among second and third world countries because it offers a similar feature set as the large commercial elearning systems but it does not have the license costs since it is open source. Wikipedia is an important source for people get a quick impression about what OLAT is and what it can do when they first hear about it. I'm sure the entry will mature over time when more people are contributing to the OLAT entry in wikipedia. Go to http://www.frentix.com to get the reference to frentix. User:gnaegi 08:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • By the way: OLAT has the highest rating on the UNESCO open source portal in the courseware section. See [[1]]. joel 09:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • No idea why OLAT is deleted while a Moodle entry exists. Perhaps Moodle has a larger community but this shouldn't be a reason to delete other platform descriptions (Moodle describes also features, specification etc.) (P. Kauer-Ott) - Oh, I forgott: I'm not developer or team member, I'm just an OLAT power user... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.60.53.183 (talk) 09:27, August 21, 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmmm using the google cache and looking at the OLAT I can see a small entry, but nothing that I would consider spam. If the problem was that the entry is to short - including only basic information then please undelete and let people add to it. Comparing it to for instance moodle makes it clear that a lot could be added. Best regards Henrik Kramshøj, happy OLAT user and translator into danish —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.81.149.98 (talk)
  • I don't understand the deletion of OLAT either. It is an important LMS throughout Switzerland and Germany (here, for example, under the name of OPAL in the Bildungsportal Sachsen which is a network of 12 Thuringian universities: https://bildungsportal.sachsen.de/opal/). Either you have articles on the most important LMS in Wikipedia or you delete them all. But there can be no reason to ignore one LMS while featuriing others, such as Moodle or Sakai. This is a way of distorting public knowledge and opinion building on the subject of LMS. OK, OLAT may not be so well known in the USA or UK, but it is throughout the European continent. That should be enough, shouldn't it? In my opinion, you have to be careful not to be too focused on the Anglo-Saxon area. By the way, I'm not developper or team member of OLAT nor do I cash in in any way on an Wikipedia article about OLAT. Botisa 11:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Hello Android79! I am from BPS Bildungsportal Sachen GmbH. I´m disappointed about deleting the OLAT entry too. We are a company with focus on e-learning-technologies and we are hosting OLAT as a central LMS for nearly all universities in the county Sachsen (4 universities and 7 universities of applied science) in Germany. Our OLAT installation is called OPAL because we realized a lot of adjustments for our clients. With more than 16000 OLAT-users and a lot of experience in using and developing OPAL we are definitely a “reliable source” for information about this Software. Please check out our websites http://bildungsportal.sachsen.de, http://bps-system.de and http://bildungsportal.sachsen.de/opal (a actual OLAT-installation for our clients).3 years ago we switched from a commercial LMS to OLAT. From that time on OLAT work very well into our software environment. OLAT is 100 per cent Java-based unlike Moodle, ILIAS, Claroline and other well known LMS. The software architecture is clearly arranged and includes a lot of standards, e.g. Hibernate, Velocity templates. E-Learning standards like SCORM, QTI, IMS CP are also supported as well. Anyway, OLAT is great stuff! It’s important for us, that OLAT is a high-performance LMS with very fast response time because we’ve an ever increasing number of OLAT users. Finally I can approve this LMS and I´ll hope, that you are bring back the OLAT entry in Wikipedia. It is important for the OLAT-Project, the OLAT-community and our customers. Thank you for appreciation.--Frari 13:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Hello Android79. I'm "just" an physics teacher and system administratur using OLAT in our vocational school. I'd also be disappointed, if OLAT would be deleeted from wikipedia. Wolfgang.pfalzgraf@bbw.ch —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wolfgang.pfalzgraf (talk • contribs) 18:44, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Okay, I will undelete OLAT. If one of you kind folks would please add references to the article and bring it into line with Wikipedia policy regarding verifiability and neutral point-of-view, that would be excellent. Please note that the English Wikipedia prefers (but does not require) sources in English.

Those of you with connections to the OLAT project: please read Wikipedia's policy on conflicts of interest.

Note that I was swayed by the offering of credible sources, not by the various anonymous and new users showing up to protest on this page. A common argument was "X article on some other LMS exists, so why can't OLAT have an article?" The existence of articles on other LMSs is not reason to keep this one: articles are judged on their own merit. android79 22:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martin CJ Mongiello

Dear Android79,

Hi there, my Executive Assistant mentioned that you deleted an article she and the team was working on regarding my inclusion in Wikipedia as the Executive Chef to the President of the United States. She stated you listed it as blatant advertising and she feels the team may need to start from scratch, to try again.

I feel regret that we annoyed you or caused our team to seem to be trying to advertise for anything at all. I can honestly state that they never, ever were trying to advertise for anything or anyone. If you could tell us what it was they did wrong or what part of the archives were stated wrong, we would fix that immediately.

I mentioned to them that possibly the books published by Doctor Ornish being listed as best sellers on the New York Times Best Selling list could be construed as advertising for the NY Times. Another of our ladies stated she felt it was the mention of me appearing on the TODAY show was advertising for NBC. While still, Ms. Neal mentioned she thought we got blamed for stating the business plans I wrote and had published may have been the cause.

In our meetings around the board table we have many ideas of what may have happened. We do not have a snapshot of the page or record of it. We are unsure of what to do next or to avoid. We are certain we meet the notability litmus test with numerous international publications and television shows, awards from Presidents Bush and Clinton and work for non-profit food banks and shelters, etc... I am sorry that we have no final record or print-out to go from.

I would like to express our thanks to you for any help you offer. We have only the kindest thoughts for this project. Could you help us to tell us what part or sentances you felt were blatant advertising and then allow us to quickly correct them on Wikipedia?

On behalf of the team working on this project, And for Team Leader Ms. Neal,

Sir Martin CJ Mongiello Abghty 05:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Android,

I'm not sure how to understand that the information presented lacked reliable sources when the folks desirous of adding this into Wikipedia quoted MSNBC and provided the clips of the TV Show, a New York Times bestseller, MSN Health, WebMD, the National Culinary Review Magazine, New Asia Wine and Cuisine Magazine as well as the Tokyo American Club Magazine along with NHK TV, TV Brussel and Vitaya of Europe as well as another NBC five part mini-series. Additional references were to be made including US Government websites at .gov.

The CD you mention of Business Plan Pro represents the modern age of publishing. Perhaps you desire only printed materials on paper? That program contains over 300 pages I wrote and published along with US Patent and Trademark Office items. Perhaps since it is sold in over 50 countries and on a CD (also sold at Staples, Office Max, etc...) it does not qualify or should be dropped? I certainly can see how you may not like it to be linked to the manufacturers website (which it was not) but it has received the number one mark by the Wall Street Journal, SBA, SCORE, SBDC, Inc. Magazine and Yahoo Finance for seven straight years now.

I certainly do see your point in linking to too many exterior items and to ask those interested to simply work on stating the plain facts only. For the most part, Bobby Faly's entry on Wikepedia was being used as a guide. Yet, we did not choose to list personal dates, girls he went out with and married on our entry.

Should we be working on this instead in a sandbox or something?

Sincerely,

Marti

I think you misunderstand what a list of sources is supposed to be. Sources should support the facts presented in the article, not merely be a list of publications, accolades, or TV appearances. Noting that you've had a single chili recipe published in a book and on the web doesn't support anything in the article. Noting that you've had some business plans published in some commercial software, a fact one could only verify by purchasing said software, is not evidence of notability.

A few questions for you:

  1. Have you read Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest thoroughly? Your response above seems to indicate that you haven't.
  2. What makes you notable enough for an article about you to appear in Wikipedia, according to Wikipedia:Notability (people)? I'm afraid I'm not seeing it.
  3. Why, despite strong discouragement (Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Autobiography) against it, makes you think it acceptable to attempt to add a self-promotional article to Wikipedia?

android79 21:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Be'Lakor (band)

Hay, I noticed you deleted the article about Be'Lakor, which I wrote most of. Would it be ok to, say, have it undeleted and moved to my userspace so I can work on it in a sandbox-type fashion? Thanks—arf! 12:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison of 2008 presidential candidates

Where / When was the discussion of this????? Dogru144 17:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Youradouche

Why did you delete my Userbox Template for you're a douchebag? Thanks! --Giggity Giggity GOO! 02:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  • You're kidding, right? WP:CSD#T1. While we're on the topic, please get rid of the oh-so-hilarious "epilepsy" crap on your userpage. android79 03:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I love my talk page so :) Giggity Giggity GOO! 22:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please re-register

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[edit] The PAN

Why did you delete the The PAN entry? The PAN was the first video blog of its format, created by some of the first video bloggers in the world. It has historical significance to a few thousand people at least, members of the Yahoo Videoblogging Group, and was written up in the "mainstream" media several times, not to mention hundreds of mentions in the blogosphere. Bullemhead 23:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Looked like a clear-cut A7 to me. "The PAN was the first video blog of its format" – no such claim was made in the article. "It has historical significance to a few thousand people at least" – ditto. A two-sentence blurb in Wired does not count as "written up in the 'mainstream' media several times". I have no objection to an article on this subject if it can be shown that it is notable and the article cites reliable sources. android79 01:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:S495

I will not allow you to put anymore messages in my talk.Have a nice day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by S495 (talk • contribs) 23:27, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

How come I don't own my talk page,Don't say you own it.--S495 01:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)S495

I WAS ASKING A QUESTION--S495 20:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)S495

Why did you post a silly comment to me,and why did you say "Huh?"--S495 04:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)S495

  • It was a response to the all-caps message above. On another topic, how old are you? android79 15:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Please stop putting the same message from 27 August 2007--S495 19:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)S495

[edit] Greg Russell

Could you please clarifiy why this page was deleted and under what authority? hardya —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardya (talk • contribs) 09:21, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

  • An anonymous user tagged it for speedy deletion with the remarks: "Article discusses a minor government administrator of no particular relevance or interest. Article has no encyclopedic value. Half of this three line article actually discusses the topic of another article. Article is unmaintained. Article obviously and uncontroversially doesn't belong in an encyclopedia". I agreed (generally) with that assessment and deleted it under criterion A7. Wikipedia administrators, of which I am one, have access to page deletion, and can delete any page that meets the criteria.
    I see you have recreated the article. Could you provide verifiable references to reliable sources that the subject of the article meets the criteria established in Wikipedia:Notability (people)? If not, it is likely that the article will be deleted again.
    Do you have any sort of connection to or relationship with Greg Russell?
    android79 19:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sooth (band)

Hi Android79, why did you delete the article Sooth_(Band)? This article was about the Scottish band Sooth. What was the problem? BroncoJones 21:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enjoy Japan

You had delete Enjoy Japan because of WP:CSD#A7. But I cannot agree with it doesn't have notability, I wrote 2 reasons about it at talk page.

  1. When search "Enjoy Japan" in Google, official site locate most top of page.
  2. This site is written in Korean newspaper many times, so I added some of them as reference.

What can I do to prove notability of this site any more? --Masoris 01:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Find some English references. Also, read WP:WEB. android79 02:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I found a sentence Initiated Enjoy Japan, a web search service in in NHN official site. --Masoris 02:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
      • That doesn't look especially meaningful. It's not even a full sentence. android79 02:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
        • I really connot found English web site about Enjoy Japan or Enjoy Korea, but I found a million of google result and hundreds of newspaper articles which is written in Korean or Japanese language. Because of NHN do not service in English language, I can found just few pages about NHN service in English language. Why can't I use non-English language references in Wikipedia? --Masoris 02:57, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
          • Uh, because this is the English Wikipedia, and non-English references are generally useless to those who don't speak the language? It's not strictly true that you can't use non-English sources for an article, but if all you can find is non-English, you need to come up with some English ones. See WP:V#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English. android79 03:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
            • OK, I see, I'm not write articles any more, if I cannot found English reference. But I worried about Sources in languages other than English policy, for examples many international companies in East Asia services only East Asian languages. e.g. Mabinogi (game) is popular online game in Korea, Japan, and China, and there are many newspaper articles written in Korean, Japanese, Chinese languages, but it is hard to find good reference in English, because Mabinogi is not services in English language. I think the policy may prevent to write those articles to this wikipedia. --Masoris 04:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] The carboNZero programme

I would appreciate a copy of my text back so that I can post it somewhere else that will accept the description of the carboNZero programme. I wrote the text because this programme was mentioned on the Intercity (New Zealand) page and there was no information when you clicked on the link to the carboNZero programme. Thank you, Pasturesnew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pasturesnew (talk • contribs) 07:08, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Junaid Sheikh

Hello I want to tell you that the article was about a notable personality and I don't think it should have been deleted.You may not be knowing the person but that doesn't mean you should delete some one's article.I kindly request you not to do it again in future. RegardsPrettyIndGal 05:29, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

  • You seem to think that it's somehow your article. It's not. On Wikipedia, anything you add may be edited mercilessly, even deleted. android79 15:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Completely Gone Recordings

There is plenty of information regarding my record company all over the internet. My label is worldwide and is a real netlabel. Besides totally ruining my evening, you disregarded everything about the article. Now if I am allowed to make another page, I will have to remake EVERYTHING because of your lousy drive-by speedy deletion. Honestly, I wish I could delete YOUR page and report you to the upper echelons of wikipedia. This hurts me. Believe it.

  • I'm not opposed to undeleting the article if it can be shown that the label meets WP:BAND and you can provide verifiable references. If there's stuff "all over the internet", this should not be hard to do. android79 01:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red State Update

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Red State Update. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Billebrooks 05:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)