Talk:Andrew Kepple

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This article was nominated for deletion on May 16, 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Hi! I'm Neryon. If you have any ideas, please put them here. Perhaps I could use a few more spoilers, especially for Up Skit Creek I and II. I do not know. Just... freakin' get something, OK? Thank you.

- Neryon. April 2, 21:50 PT

Contents 1 Importance of this article: 2 Things NOT to discuss 3 Lo 4 Wikipedia style 5 Not sure about prod/NN 6 WikiProject Webcomics? Not Sure! 7 Proposal for Redirect 8 Up Skits Creek III still coming?

[edit] Importance of this article:

Although it might seem a vanity article, it was not written by mr. Kepple himself and he was not consulted before it was written.

The article is about someone who has played a prominent part in the animutation scene and is at the moment relatively well-known as an active flash-artist, who has won prizes on Newgrounds.com with his creations. As well as being one of the most popular regular contributors on that website, he is also a contributor to albinoblacksheep.com where his Colin Mochrie vs. Jesus H. Christ trilogy of animutations has a special page. He may not be a traditional celebrity, but as far as I'm concerned he is at least as well-known and vital to animation and animutation as altF4 is.

- Nichiran (sorry, not logged in).

[edit] Things NOT to discuss

Here is the following which I feel must not be discussed in the page:

- some of his criticisms against very little-known cartoons like the "I Got Some Falling to Do" imitation on Newgrounds.

- small non-flash things like the TmsT World, for it is not yet very large.

Anymore things NOT to discuss? Please post them here. - Neryon

[edit] Lo

I got bored and rewrote some segments and linked to the animations. If I see him again, I'll run the URL by him...

[edit] Wikipedia style

Please review Wikipedia's guidelines on linking style. External links should not be "piped", but rather appear like so: Google [http://google.com] If a name needs to be linked, link it to a Wikipedia article (even if that article doesn't exist, as this will encourage other editors to create the referenced article). Someone please review this article for style. It's gotten way out of hand. -Harmil 15:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure about prod/NN

The claim of the person who added the prod tag is that Andrew Kepple is non-notable (NN). However, on Google [1] he gets substantially more hits than I would expect from someone who isn't notable. TMST and its expanded form are too general, so that's not a good benchmark.

My inclination is to say that he's notable, but the article needs SERIOUS cleanup. -Harmil 17:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• It shouldn't be surprizing that a guy who makes many NN internet things should get many google hits. Google "crzrussian" or "crazyrussian" and you'll all my WP edits. Don't mean I'm notable. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 17:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I think you're introducing your own definition of "non-notable" here. If there are a large number of people who follow his work, he's notable. This seems to be the case, no? -Harmil 17:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I am unaware of any webcomics that survived AfD on WP. Their authors should go as well. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 18:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The Order of the Stick is the first one to come to mind, but Category:2000s webcomics is the best source for a list. If your thesis is that Web comics are non-notable always, then I'm sorry: Wikipedia has never published a guideline or rule to that effect, and I personally disagree strongly. Please don't go copying my comments around to-and-from user talk pages. It makes it hard for me to follow, much less anyone else coming into the discussion from any one of the pages that you've reproduced comments to. -Harmil 18:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• • • As to comments, fine. As to webcomics, no thesis, just an empirical observation. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 18:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Holy crap!! There's a whole slew of these things, and I've never even seen one :) OK, they exist, but they're still a dime a dozen and about as notable as blogs. i.e. for each notable one, there's 100 NN ones. I dunno - if you think Kepple is good, go ahead and dispute prod. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 18:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

You will note that I haven't removed the prod. I don't disagree strongly enough to do so. I just don't feel that we've established the non-notability of his work any more than we've established its notability. The number of self-published people and works getting articles these days is sky-rocketing. It's very hard to tell the notable from the non-notable. At first glance, I thought Roberto Campagna might be notable, but after a week of requesting sources and importance details, I checked out the album that's linked to. It's often difficult to be sure. -Harmil 18:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

• If label Andrew Kepple as in need of deletion, then how come Veloso is also on the Wikipedia? Kepple is just as popular as Veloso, regardless of what your opinion is. Also, there is an article on Opblaaskrokodil, so there has to be an article about Kepple. BTW, he is extremely significant to the Animutation world, he contributes to Newgrounds and Albino Blacksheep a lot, earned a whole bunch of awards from his cartoons on Newgrounds, and his fame greatly lies in his animutation, French Erotic Film. Agreed, that this page is in need of a stark cleanup, but we should consider before deleting. I'll just ask Kepple if desired. I do after all know his e-mail address, because I am on the same mailing list. BTW, he is notable for French Erotic Film, as mentioned above, so he's not really NN. -Wartys Neryon 9:03, 11 May 2006 (PTC)

• Went through and did another cleanup.

[edit] WikiProject Webcomics? Not Sure!

I am not sure if this is going to save it, but we might as well restrict the mere mention of Andrew Kepple being a webcomic artist to the external link and remove this page from the WikiProject Webcomics. This will probably be more likely to save this page from doom, but I do not care, since this is just a silly page anyway. -- Wartys Neryon. 17 May 2006, 14:55 (UTC)

In fact, nevermind, although he is more notable as an animator rather than a webcomic artist. -- Wartys Neryon. 10 July 2006, 23:13 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal for Redirect

I have been thinking that since this article states a name, I figure that we should redirect this article to "Too Much Spare Time", the internet nickname Kepple goes by. Also, we can redirect "TmsT" and "King Sluggy" to that page. Sound good to anyone? --Wartys Neryon 21:18 15 Aug, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Up Skits Creek III still coming?

It seems Andrew's website doesn't indicate so. December is almost over.

• it is, he is still working on it.